1. blackberrybrad's Avatar
    It's the same article the Verge has published hundreds of times

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    10-27-15 11:19 AM
  2. crucial bbq's Avatar

    At $699 this is going to be a REALLY hard sell to 99% of consumers who have far superior and cheaper choices in the Android world.
    But that 1% of the Android market would be enough to get Chen those 5M sales. Add in the sales from current BBOS and BB10 users and that needed percentage from the Android market drops even lower.
    10-27-15 11:24 AM
  3. Toodeurep's Avatar
    [Usual statement about how whoever wrote this is irrelevant or biased]
    Here you go...
    Attached Thumbnails The Verge sums it up - Too expensive, too late...-seth-rogen.jpg  
    10-27-15 11:27 AM
  4. laid-back's Avatar
    Interesting post. I have actually been VERY interested in the Priv, until I saw the rollout (the embarrassing Chen interview - it runs "Google"), realized there would be no Launch Event whipping up excitement, showing commitment for the phone and giving important feature information and, finally, saw the price. Yes, price does matter for 99% of consumers, even if they can "afford" something and The Verge article accurately illustrates that.

    Good press is a huge advantage in selling any product, including phones, so reports like this that trickle into the mainstream hurt sales no matter how many on this Forum dismiss it because it's "just" The Verge, or just Engadget, or just BGR or Fortune or CNN, etc.

    I am in the sweet spot of Blackberry's target audience with purchases of the Passport, Z30 and Z10 over the past few years and I've been really excited about the Priv but as one of the last Blackberry loyalists, I am rightfully frustrated about many of the decisions being made by Blackberry (including pricing which matters to 99% of people) and sure don't want to end up with a stranded, unsupported phone because Blackberry decides to exit the hardware business (as Chen threatened in his recent Walt Mossberg interview).
    everything matters when purchasing anything, including the price, yes. the price does matter to me a lot because i simply can not afford just anything. however, all the articles right now are either based on speculation/opinions or test devices. just wait 2 more weeks and u will be able to make up ur mind about this device.

    John Chen definitely screwed up in that interview, but i think BB still has time to get everything done properly with a launch event and good ads.
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    10-27-15 11:27 AM
  5. Harborcoat's Avatar
    The price is in line with iPhones (that have weaker specs) and Galaxy Phones, doesn't stop everyone around me from getting them.

    Edit: my Canadian carrier charges $899 outright for an iPhone 6s (16GB) with the 64GB version costing $1,029. For Galaxy, the S6 (32GB) is $774 with the Edge version costing $879. The Priv is $899 in Canada, which means you get twice the memory of the iPhone with the ability to upgrade it further, which neither Apple or Samsung are even offering anymore. Seriously, carrier subsidaries are HUGE. Most people aren't buying high end phones outright. It just seems that way because the kind of people who do all happen to post on forums dedicated to phones...

    And don't give me this crap about not launching with Marshmallow. Only 18% of Android devices were running Lollipop 2.5 months ago (http://www.cnet.com/news/ios-8-hits-...op-only-at-18/). Hell, I have a Galaxy Tab 4 and it's running KitKat because Samsung hasn't bothered to update the WiFi models. My buddy's brand new S6 Edge has Lollipop as well. Of course Google devices get it first when Google develops the OS!

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    10-27-15 11:28 AM
  6. mithrazor's Avatar
    Pretty much all of the sentiments I've had about the Priv were outlined in an article on The Verge posted just a few minutes ago. Summary - the Priv is WAY too expensive for a company selling phones for $240 to its customer base, it is starting off without even the latest Android OS (Marshmallow) and Blackberry's track record of updates is nothing short of horrendous, there is no CDMA version which knocks out half of U.S. customers, and its only compelling feature is the keyboard which has a very limited audience.

    At $699 this is going to be a REALLY hard sell to 99% of consumers who have far superior and cheaper choices in the Android world.

    BlackBerry?s $699 Android gambit is too much too late | The Verge
    It's the same if not cheaper than the Note 5 and iPhone 6 Plus.

    No Marshmallow? Oh wow, what other company has marshmallow besides Google right now? BlackBerry's track record of software updates is amazing. My Q10 from 2 years ago with hardware from 5 years ago (lol) is still getting updates and runs flawless (!! Older IPHONES lag and slow down with the new updates, which ironically don't have all the features of the new updates either). Anyway, CDMA is coming.

    Also, almost nothing has been shown off about the Priv besides keyboard. The Priv simulator thread showed off a lot of features that I'm excited about.

    Anyway, that article is a bunch of bull.

    At least wait for the launch event or actual launch to criticize.

    The Verge is a iJoke.

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    10-27-15 11:33 AM
  7. crucial bbq's Avatar
    Interesting post. I have actually been VERY interested in the Priv, until I saw the rollout (the embarrassing Chen interview - it runs "Google"), realized there would be no Launch Event whipping up excitement, showing commitment for the phone and giving important feature information and, finally, saw the price. Yes, price does matter for 99% of consumers, even if they can "afford" something and The Verge article accurately illustrates that.

    Good press is a huge advantage in selling any product, including phones, so reports like this that trickle into the mainstream hurt sales no matter how many on this Forum dismiss it because it's "just" The Verge, or just Engadget, or just BGR or Fortune or CNN, etc.

    I am in the sweet spot of Blackberry's target audience with purchases of the Passport, Z30 and Z10 over the past few years and I've been really excited about the Priv but as one of the last Blackberry loyalists, I am rightfully frustrated about many of the decisions being made by Blackberry (including pricing which matters to 99% of people) and sure don't want to end up with a stranded, unsupported phone because Blackberry decides to exit the hardware business (as Chen threatened in his recent Walt Mossberg interview).
    How does the rollout, pre-sales, and yada yada change your user experience? I mean, your own experience with the Priv should be the same regardless unless you are one of those concerned about image. To be frank BlackBerry is actually putting in more effort to promote the Priv than they have with any other BB device in a long time but then again their target audience is that 1% to begin with.

    "Hey, let's invite Jim to the coolest party of the century".
    -"No. He uses that phone by the guy who "runs Googles".
    "Yeah, you're right. What a loser".

    This comment about image is not directed at you, but there are many on here who do want BlackBerry to be the king of cool again. The quip is for them.

    I agree that good press is key in part to sales but even more so is brand image. BlackBerry is expanding that image through BBM and then even further with the roll out of the Productivity Suite and what ever other cross-paltform apps and solutions they come up with. Chen, and the more intelligent tech bloggers out there point out that the Priv is meant for a specific audience and not the general public. Sites like BGR, The Verge, and even users here on CrackBerry are the one's who assume the Priv is meant to be a general consumer handset. It is not and the sooner we all realize and accept that the more content we will all be.

    And who really cares if the Priv has phenomenal sales? (outside of shareholders) I am not saying that to slag you but seriously, why does it matter? Because of the belief that low sales means zero support and updates? Once again 5M phones, which is also likely a combination of current BB10 stock, too, and maybe even the one or two legacy devices still sitting around as well, is an easy target to reach. The irony is that what makes it easy is the price. Meaning; it will be easier for Chen to hit a smaller target with a higher price than to hit a larger target with a smaller price.
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    10-27-15 11:46 AM
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    10-27-15 12:02 PM
  9. duckshooter's Avatar
    So those of us who are informed, like the members on this sight, maybe not the general public, know that there is a version of the Priv coming out for Verizon, correct? Whether you like The Verge or not Verizon customers may be reading that article and now thinking about buying a different type of phone. When will Blackberry acknowledge the carriers? We have an article right here presenting misinformation which might affect sales for customers of Verizon right?

    Spreading the love with my Z10
    10-27-15 12:03 PM
  10. BBSpring's Avatar
    the verge is a great source of unbiased non sponsored info. hahahahah. Nothing to see here.

    i agree with other postings ( phone_fanatic), if you don't like it and it's too little too late, why the write ups? I think you know where this is going to go folks...blah blah, ugly, blah blah, bad camera, blah blah, expensive. Blackberry is dead. For a dead company, it sure draws a ton of articles and attention from experts that have moved on...hmmm, I wonder why?
    10-27-15 12:12 PM
  11. buwee's Avatar
    Interesting post. I have actually been VERY interested in the Priv, until I saw the rollout (the embarrassing Chen interview - it runs "Google"), realized there would be no Launch Event whipping up excitement, showing commitment for the phone and giving important feature information and, finally, saw the price. Yes, price does matter for 99% of consumers, even if they can "afford" something and The Verge article accurately illustrates that.

    Good press is a huge advantage in selling any product, including phones, so reports like this that trickle into the mainstream hurt sales no matter how many on this Forum dismiss it because it's "just" The Verge, or just Engadget, or just BGR or Fortune or CNN, etc.

    I am in the sweet spot of Blackberry's target audience with purchases of the Passport, Z30 and Z10 over the past few years and I've been really excited about the Priv but as one of the last Blackberry loyalists, I am rightfully frustrated about many of the decisions being made by Blackberry (including pricing which matters to 99% of people) and sure don't want to end up with a stranded, unsupported phone because Blackberry decides to exit the hardware business (as Chen threatened in his recent Walt Mossberg interview).
    Great, then just move on....I'm sure there are plenty of phones in your price range at Walmart.
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    10-27-15 12:13 PM
  12. eidsonb's Avatar
    So you are making the same mistake the Verge did. Shop Blackberry is the only place it has been officially announced and they NEVER carry the CDMA version of any of the phones till well after release. I dont think they ever actually carrier the VZ version of the Z30, STA-100-3 but only the World GSM version of STA-100-5 which I use on AT&T. The carriers, at least in the US have made no announcement about carrying it, hence no CDMA version.

    If you look deeper in the fourms, you will see the different versions of the PRIV coming out and the LTE bands for both Sprint and VZ are covered. I think its a Version 2 or 4. STV-100-2, I think.

    As far as teh version of Android goes, you should be able to upgrade shortly, there was NO way BB had the time to get this phone out based upon an upcoming version of Android, only what had been released.
    10-27-15 12:15 PM
  13. dejanh's Avatar
    Sites like BGR, The Verge, and even users here on CrackBerry are the one's who assume the Priv is meant to be a general consumer handset. It is not and the sooner we all realize and accept that the more content we will all be.
    Except it is meant to be a consumer handset and your information is wrong. Que John Chen, CEO of BlackBerry, during his interviews at the Churchill Club, re/code mobile, and BNN. I don't have time to pick through all of those in detail, but there is a very clear, black and white statement in one (or more) of those where John Chen, CEO of BlackBerry, states (paraphrased) "[BlackBerry] believed that there were enough buyers in the secure enterprise segment to keep the handset business going; this turned out to not be the case and therefore [BlackBerry] had to move to build an Android device to appeal to the broad market". Yes, this is what John Chen, CEO of BlackBerry, said during one of these interviews.

    Don't delude yourself that this is a device for regulated markets or some "prosumer" buyers. It is a secure version of Android meant for sales to the general consumer market. The fact that it is secure will make it appeal more to a certain segment of the consumer market, but it is not vertically positioned for a specific group.
    10-27-15 12:18 PM
  14. RyanGermann's Avatar
    If the only data point they have to support the fact that the price is too high is that BlackBerry's brand is tarnished, well, that's circular reasoning, plain and simple.

    You have to understand that Websites have to keep churning content through to keep the clicks and ad-views coming. That's why we see "AT&T Quarterly Earnings" reports on CrackBerry. Gotta keep adding SOMETHING to the home pages.

    If we view the pages, we cause the problem.
    10-27-15 12:18 PM
  15. willboyce's Avatar
    Not everyone wants cheap crap

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    10-27-15 12:21 PM
  16. cbzeduser's Avatar
    Where Blackberry marketing is failing is that they are letting the Priv be defined by rumors, hearsay, and Apple fans who are going to bash the phone regardless.

    A lot of people are genuinely interested in the phone because of the keyboard, but when they go to the Blackberry website after reading articles like that, there is absolutely no information or messaging to counter the article. All the details about the Priv that would appeal to the BYOD individual phone buyer are buried several pages deep behind buying links. Instead of the Blackberry website being the authoritative source for information about the Priv, negative articles written by the Verge (who always bash Blackberry products) will show up first in search engines, when people look for info.

    It's going to be extremely difficult for any interested buyers to find out about things like 2TB MicroSD, more powerful battery, wireless charging, powerful camera, etc. There is not even any verbiage on the front page to let people know that the phone will run all of their favorite Android apps - the display on the phone image is blank, without pictures of common apps!

    As far as carrier support goes, why is there information about carrier support in a Verge article, but nothing at all about supported carriers on the Blackberry website??? A person who is in the market for a phone and reads the Verge article, would see no reason to wait a few weeks for the Priv, because there is no info about his carrier supporting the phone in the future. The only information about carrier support currently on the website is negative information, indicating the the phone model currently being sold will not work on Verizon, Sprint or US Cellular. Where is the page listing all the global carriers that support the phone???

    It's a mystery to me why they started leaking information about the phone and taking pre-orders, without having all of their messaging up and ready to go on the website - they are literally allowing the Priv to be defined by their competitors. It's crazy.
    10-27-15 12:23 PM
  17. ToniCipriani's Avatar
    Here you go...
    Now I have to go find that tweet and retweet it. The Interview wasn't that good but this is relevant now.
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    10-27-15 12:23 PM
  18. cbzeduser's Avatar
    So you are making the same mistake the Verge did. Shop Blackberry is the only place it has been officially announced and they NEVER carry the CDMA version of any of the phones till well after release. I dont think they ever actually carrier the VZ version of the Z30, STA-100-3 but only the World GSM version of STA-100-5 which I use on AT&T. The carriers, at least in the US have made no announcement about carrying it, hence no CDMA version.

    If you look deeper in the fourms, you will see the different versions of the PRIV coming out and the LTE bands for both Sprint and VZ are covered. I think its a Version 2 or 4. STV-100-2, I think.

    As far as teh version of Android goes, you should be able to upgrade shortly, there was NO way BB had the time to get this phone out based upon an upcoming version of Android, only what had been released.
    You are right, but the problem is that the vast majority of prospective buyers don't know that.

    And if they go to the Blackberry website to check, there is no information to counter what is in the article. Blackberry can't fully control what the Verge writes, but the Blackberry website is 100% under Blackberry's control. There's no excuse for Blackberry not having messaging on their website to counter FUD about the Priv.
    10-27-15 12:27 PM
  19. Deckard79's Avatar
    The Verge and Gizmodo are both bottom of the pile. Ignore, always.

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    10-27-15 12:30 PM
  20. lawguyman's Avatar
    No matter how good Priv is the thing that can kill it is the lack of an open mind. The Verge decided Priv was a failure before it ever laid eyes on it.



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  21. ToniCipriani's Avatar
    The Verge and Gizmodo are both bottom of the pile. Ignore, always.

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    Oh come on... I like Jalopnik's comment section, it's hilarious at times.
    10-27-15 12:33 PM
  22. ToniCipriani's Avatar
    No matter how good Priv is the thing that can kill it is the lack of an open mind. The Verge decided Priv was a failure before it ever laid eyes on it.



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    Yet when Apple comes out with the iPhone 7T, now with Typewriter accurate text technology(tm), they will be ALL over it.
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    10-27-15 12:34 PM
  23. lawguyman's Avatar
    Yet when Apple comes out with the iPhone 7T, now with Typewriter accurate text technology(tm), they will be ALL over it.
    Because Apple will have reinvented the Keyboard. Again.

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    10-27-15 12:37 PM
  24. deadcowboy's Avatar
    How is BlackBerry's record of upgrades "horrendous"? Every single BB10 phone going back to the Z10 which launched in January 2013 has received every update. I've owned a Q5 for about 2.5 years and I've seen at least 4 major updates.

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    Yeah, that's what I was thinking. Has any other mobile OS evolved so much in such a short time period as BB10 from release? I've received a bunch of updates, just not so many as of late.

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    10-27-15 12:37 PM
  25. MO3iusONE's Avatar
    FTFY. I stopped reading them, Ars has much more balanced views these days.
    Yep, stop reading the verge once Joshua topolsky left. They're too pro apple (in an unhealthy way) and what did it for me was when they reviewed the old version of Google photos, thinking it was the new version.

    The Verge sums it up - Too expensive, too late...-uploadfromtaptalk1445967511555.jpg



    Also, this.




    FTFY. I stopped reading them, Ars has much more balanced views these days.
    Yep, stop reading the verge once Joshua topolsky left. They're too pro apple (in an unhealthy way) and what did it for me was when they reviewed the old version of Google photos, thinking it was the new version. Also, this.
    10-27-15 12:39 PM
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