1. Joao Oliveira's Avatar
    Here's a good comparison and experiment about the 808 and 810, and the advantages that the 808 has over the 810. Also featuring the Exynos and A9.



    As we can see, the 810 throtles heavily in the HTC. The ZTE Axon also has a 810 and it Throttles like hell, and doesn't even get close to the 808 score when (air coled).

    This proves why many top end phones like the Priv and LG V10 are choosing the 808 over the 810, and I personally believe that it's the best Qualcomm processor at the moment
    10-14-15 09:24 AM
  2. Djlatino's Avatar
    Exynos is actually one of the better mobile processors overall, but yes, 808 is better with real life use in terms of Qualcomm processors. It's too bad the 810 acts the way it does, it has power benefits that the 808 doesn't have!
    10-14-15 09:29 AM
  3. yhamaie's Avatar
    It appears that 810 is too hot to be contained in a small casing . . . while 808 has been delivering cooler performance to a number of devices.

    http://recode.net/2015/01/28/qualcom...agship-device/

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    10-14-15 09:45 AM
  4. Joao Oliveira's Avatar
    Exynos is actually one of the better mobile processors overall, but yes, 808 is better with real life use in terms of Qualcomm processors. It's too bad the 810 acts the way it does, it has power benefits that the 808 doesn't have!
    Since the 808 came after the 810, I wonder if it even came out because of the 810 issues, because the way both handle the heat is completely different.

    I Also wonder how the ZTC and HTC M9 with same processor have so much difference in throttling. The ZTC's 810 is so much slower than the 808, even at the start of the (air cooled) test.
    10-14-15 09:50 AM
  5. Iggy City's Avatar
    810 overheats. It's good that Priv has 808!

    Wish they could add one more '0' though....

    BlackBerry Priv, running the elusive 8008 processor
    10-14-15 09:59 AM
  6. Djlatino's Avatar
    Since the 808 came after the 810, I wonder if it even came out because of the 810 issues, because the way both handle the heat is completely different.

    I Also wonder how the ZTC and HTC M9 with same processor have so much difference in throttling. The ZTC's 810 is so much slower than the 808, even at the start of the (air cooled) test.
    Throttling will do that, I'm afraid.

    808 was 100% damage control by Qualcomm, it shows. They went from 8 to 6 cores because they failed to achieve their goals on the 810, and settled for what just works. 808 is less powerful than the 810, however, despite it outperforming the 810. I always root for power when it comes to chips, but if there's no good heat management involved, what's the point?

    The priv will sport the 808, but the 808 is still less powerful than the 810, making it detrimental to the longevity of the device! Here's hoping that 820 comes out soon!
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    10-14-15 10:01 AM
  7. tickerguy's Avatar
    There's no getting around physics folks. The faster you run something and the more-dense you pack the transistors the more heat you produce. For a given size die the limiting factor eventually becomes how quickly you can get the evolved heat out of there so thermal limits are not exceeded.
    10-14-15 10:34 AM
  8. Joao Oliveira's Avatar
    There's no getting around physics folks. The faster you run something and the more-dense you pack the transistors the more heat you produce. For a given size die the limiting factor eventually becomes how quickly you can get the evolved heat out of there so thermal limits are not exceeded.
    Except when you do it properly like Samsung's Exynos and the A9 in the iPhone, that are not only faster than the 810, but won't thermal throttle.
    10-14-15 10:52 AM
  9. mad_mdx's Avatar
    Except when you do it properly like Samsung's Exynos and the A9 in the iPhone, that are not only faster than the 810, but won't thermal throttle.
    The A9 and the exynos are very different than the qualcomm processors.
    Each have their strength and weaknesses. The 810 heats but perhaps it was designed for larger heatsinks and cooling systems than that in smartphones that had it?
    10-14-15 10:58 AM
  10. Joao Oliveira's Avatar
    The A9 and the exynos are very different than the qualcomm processors.
    Each have their strength and weaknesses. The 810 heats but perhaps it was designed for larger heatsinks and cooling systems than that in smartphones that had it?
    Doesn't matter how different they are, they are just processors. All that matters is that they all do the exact same job, except some do it faster (and cooler) than the others.

    Who cares about the heatsink? even if they had a heatshink made of dry ice, they wouldn't be any faster than the A9 and Exynos. the A9 and Exynos are simply better products, because they give you better performace. It's not like a Qualcomm 810 processor is giving you anything extra in trade of slower performance.

    Each have their strength and weaknesses
    So what is the "strenght" of 810 compared to a Exynos 7420 for example?
    10-14-15 11:37 AM
  11. ToniCipriani's Avatar
    Throttling will do that, I'm afraid.

    808 was 100% damage control by Qualcomm, it shows. They went from 8 to 6 cores because they failed to achieve their goals on the 810, and settled for what just works. 808 is less powerful than the 810, however, despite it outperforming the 810. I always root for power when it comes to chips, but if there's no good heat management involved, what's the point?

    The priv will sport the 808, but the 808 is still less powerful than the 810, making it detrimental to the longevity of the device! Here's hoping that 820 comes out soon!
    The two were announced at the same time, with the 810 being the flagship with the better GPU, and the 808 being the midrange. Same thing with the 805 and the 801 in the Passport.
    10-14-15 09:01 PM
  12. howarmat's Avatar
    Thats why there is a 810 v2.1 released. I think it came too late for BB to use though since they probably had to finalize everything for the Priv sooner than some other manufactureres. 808 is almost a complete different architecture but certainly a very solid chip and should serve the Priv well
    10-14-15 09:20 PM
  13. ToniCipriani's Avatar
    Thats why there is a 810 v2.1 released. I think it came too late for BB to use though since they probably had to finalize everything for the Pric sooner than some other manufactureres. 808 is almost a complete different architecture but certainly a very solid chip and should serve the Priv well
    LOL
    10-14-15 09:33 PM
  14. Prem WatsApp's Avatar
    810 overheats. It's good that Priv has 808!

    Wish they could add one more '0' though....

    BlackBerry Priv, running the elusive 8008 processor
    8086... eno' said! :-D

      Ahoy, Privateers...! :-)  
    10-14-15 10:53 PM
  15. Prem WatsApp's Avatar
    Thats why there is a 810 v2.1 released. I think it came too late for BB to use though since they probably had to finalize everything for the Pric sooner than some other manufactureres. 808 is almost a complete different architecture but certainly a very solid chip and should serve the Priv well
    Pric? That was accidental, right...? :-D

      Ahoy, Privateers...! :-)  
    10-14-15 10:54 PM
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    10-15-15 07:47 AM

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