Should QNX become the core of all future Android devices?
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They aren't just going to half-*** it. It is going to have to be a better and solidly secure Android. They have been saying forever now that what they do is provide end to end security. The end point is not going to be handed over to a rootable source. It's going to be kept secure by BlackBerry. I'm not asserting this as fact but it all seems plausible and makes more sense than anything else. BlackBerry has adopted a "if you can't beat 'em, join 'em" attitude when it comes to the OS and the app war and, as a result, the others are going to have to do the same when it comes to security because nobody will be able to match what BlackBerry can provide when it comes to end to end security, regardless of the platform. Just watch. We're going to like what happens next...08-31-15 03:55 PMLike 3 -
A bit more food for thought (forgive me if it has been said), but Android does have an image problem with security. This could be a big step towards improving that image, so much so that I could even see Google working with BB to make it easy for device makers to choose which kernel they wanted to use, thus samsung could offer a secure galaxy option at a $50 premium over their Galaxy Regular.
I think there is some logic here, but a lot of things are to fall in place for it to be possible, which makes this a long shot I guess.08-31-15 04:02 PMLike 0 - I will watch. I am very skeptical that BlackBerry has been secretly developing secure Android while peddling BB10 Passports and Classics. I have few doubts left that Android is coming to BlackBerry. I just do not believe that it will be what many think it will be (most likely it will be very much a regular Android device, with minimal, if any changes beyond just the BlackBerry experience suite of apps).08-31-15 04:08 PMLike 0
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- Interesting about GNU HURD project. One of the major roadblocks appears to be device driver support. As it applies to Blackberry I would think beyond the technical resources of replacing Linux kernel with QNX is paying for additional license fees for all the proprietary drivers in the hardware components for a modern smartphone.
Sent from my iPhone 6 using Tapatalk08-31-15 04:11 PMLike 0 - Tre LawrenceBetween Realities
The Android dev community is the strongest when it comes to denouncing warez.08-31-15 04:42 PMLike 0 - It is like someone took some controlled substance and then sprinkled some other controlled substance on it and then added a bit of another controlled substance and then smoked it off a burning hot Z10 while an OS update was in progress. WHO comes up with this stuff? CrackBerry has jumped the shark! The level of crazy here has reached new levels. The crowds may be smaller but the level of crazy is immense!
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Posted via CB1008-31-15 05:01 PMLike 0 - If the BB were to license QNX kernel for a secure version of Android, I would guess it would be phone makers that would pay licensing. i.e., Samsung. Samsung would also be on the hook for writing drivers, just like they are already on the hook to write drivers to for Linux. Given that both OS's are POSIX compliant, and share a common ancestor, this isn't like writing a driver for windows, then writing one for linux.
Yeah QNX is RTOS, but those differences live mainly in the event model/thread scheduler not in device drivers or how you write them. Yeah QNX is a micro kernel and linux is monolithic, but your core logic for the driver is the same, just how it gets loaded is different. In my experience, making drivers is easier for a micro kernel not necessarily in the coding but just in the developer workflow. It has been a number of years since I have written a driver, so my knowledge could be as dated as my theory is cockeyed.
And yeah there is some crazy speculation going on in these forums, but it is a lot better than coming here to a ghost town.08-31-15 05:12 PMLike 4 - If the BB were to license QNX kernel for a secure version of Android, I would guess it would be phone makers that would pay licensing. i.e., Samsung. Samsung would also be on the hook for writing drivers, just like they are already on the hook to write drivers to for Linux. Given that both OS's are POSIX compliant, and share a common ancestor, this isn't like writing a driver for windows, then writing one for linux.
Yeah QNX is RTOS, but those differences live mainly in the event model/thread scheduler not in device drivers or how you write them. Yeah QNX is a micro kernel and linux is monolithic, but your core logic for the driver is the same, just how it gets loaded is different. In my experience, making drivers is easier for a micro kernel not necessarily in the coding but just in the developer workflow. It has been a number of years since I have written a driver, so my knowledge could be as dated as my theory is cockeyed.
And yeah there is some crazy speculation going on in these forums, but it is a lot better than coming here to a ghost town.08-31-15 05:28 PMLike 0 - Sorry to **** in. My son rooted a Galaxy tab, and now we can't update it to Lollipop, can't update the BHTV app, etc because it recognizes it as being rooted. Now after he tinkered with it, He hasn't been able to put it back (unroot). Or at least He indicates it being difficult.
I know this is for "superusers" and should have not been tampered with, but, any ideas, or links to repair it?
Thanks.
Posted via CB1008-31-15 05:34 PMLike 0 - Samsung doesn't write drivers from scratch tho, it would be more precise that they modify drivers from the hardware component manufacturers just like they pay for an ARM license and modify it for their own processors. It would be prohibitive model for the hardware guys to have those who buy their components to be responsible for all the drivers. There are no generic drivers for a QNX/Android setup so that would incur additional costs to both BB and licensing.08-31-15 05:35 PMLike 0
- Sorry to **** in. My son rooted a Galaxy tab, and now we can't update it to Lollipop, can't update the BHTV app, etc because it recognizes it as being rooted. Now after he tinkered with it, He hasn't been able to put it back (unroot). Or at least He indicates it being difficult.
I know this is for "superusers" and should have not been tampered with, but, any ideas, or links to repair it?
Thanks.
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I haven't used a Samsung Galaxy device or a OTA update in a long time, but SuperSU has an unroot option which should take the device back to being able to install OTA updates. Once updated, you'd have to re-root if you still want it.
Another option is to flash the update. There is an app by chainfire (the maker of SuperSu) called Mobile ODIN. It is available from Google Play and is able to flash firmware straight from the device itself. It is made for people who have rooted Samsung Galaxy devices and do not want to flash firmware manually. You just download the firmware files to the device and Mobile ODIN will flash them.
If it was me, I'd just flash the update manually, but Mobile ODIN is a great option if you don't want to take the time to learn how.
Does the device have a custom recovery? If so, boot into your recovery, make a full back up and then transfer the back up off of the device before you do anything.
Feel free to shoot me a PM if you need more help.bb_uzer likes this.08-31-15 06:41 PMLike 1 - Sorry to **** in. My son rooted a Galaxy tab, and now we can't update it to Lollipop, can't update the BHTV app, etc because it recognizes it as being rooted. Now after he tinkered with it, He hasn't been able to put it back (unroot). Or at least He indicates it being difficult.
I know this is for "superusers" and should have not been tampered with, but, any ideas, or links to repair it?
Thanks.
Posted via CB10bb_uzer likes this.08-31-15 06:41 PMLike 1 - This just raises all the usual questions
* if this secure kernel is so valuable why did all the tyre-kickers pass on BBRY when it was for sale?
* Someone's going to say "security!!" - if that is the case, why does *even to enterprise who put a focus on security* BB10 handsets sell in the low hundred thousands - someone is going to say advertising but enterprise customers know what it is and what it does... and they still pass.
* Since android has sold like gangbusters without this and bb10 has flopped and every phone ever sold with it has bombed, what is the business (not security) driver to make this move?
All the technical conversations are a smoke-screen - why is a company that has a successful business model going to fiddle with that to integrate in aspects of a model that has failed? It doesn't pass the smell test.
Posted via CB1008-31-15 08:43 PMLike 0 - If the BB were to license QNX kernel for a secure version of Android, I would guess it would be phone makers that would pay licensing. i.e., Samsung. Samsung would also be on the hook for writing drivers, just like they are already on the hook to write drivers to for Linux. Given that both OS's are POSIX compliant, and share a common ancestor, this isn't like writing a driver for windows, then writing one for linux.08-31-15 08:56 PMLike 0
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So not 100% POSIX for each. Linux was written as an academic project to have a free verson of Unix. Qnx feels pretty darn similar to Unix in a lot of ways, in fact they say so themselves in their docs. Yes neither are Unix, neither are even forks of Unix.
So for those that need to hear it, Richard Buckly is 100% correct.08-31-15 09:08 PMLike 0 - Is there a factually-based argument indicating what the benefit of replacing the Linux base of Android with QNX might be? Does the Linux-based system on which the Android Runtime operates have vulnerabilities that QNX does not have? If so, I get the point. If not, you could probably change the underlying OS and still have a vulnerable system.08-31-15 09:36 PMLike 0
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3 years old but it proves the point:
https://threatpost.com/new-android-m...e-040412/76405
Imagine a change that makes all your phones unrootable. It is a security issue!08-31-15 09:57 PMLike 0 - Any takers?
If BlackBerry has actually been allowed to secure Android by replacing the microkernel, why wouldn't Google use this in all future incarnations of Android. That could happen and it would be the materialization of QNX as the "ace in the hole." If this is the case, BlackBerry will have just 'secured' their own future. Methinks it might be a very good time to buy shares in the company again...
So even if Google does use QNX Kernel, although it is highly unlikely, BlackBerry won't be getting any money for it.08-31-15 10:58 PMLike 0 - The problem I believe is that there have been some exploits that allowed hackers to remotely root the phone for you.
3 years old but it proves the point:
https://threatpost.com/new-android-m...e-040412/76405
Imagine a change that makes all your phones unrootable. It is a security issue!
BB will probably hang on to BB10 for regulated enterprise as it has has no need for the runtime.09-01-15 12:16 AMLike 0 -
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