Rumored problem: Android notifications can't be cleared by Hub
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In that way you know where to check when you hear the tone.
PassportSQW100-1/10.3.2.263911-01-15 04:14 PMLike 0 - I find it shady on BLACKBERRY'S behalf. Without publicly acknowledging the limitation of the HUB and leading it's customers to believe it will be "special feature" is fine. They should thoroughly inform it's customers before accepting orders
Posted via CB1011-01-15 06:14 PMLike 0 - Just to clarify and remember that the phone is not out yet and the software may be tweaked before launch (the Hub last updated on October 26).
You receive SMS.
The Hub and Messenger app on your home screen both display a spark on the icon.
You also get an SMS notification in your Android tray and a pop up if you have that enabled.
Scenario 1.
You open messenger app and read the message.
Spark disappears from Messenger.
Notification disappears from Android tray.
Spark remains on Hub icon, but if you open Hub the message is shown as read.
Scenario 2.
You delete the notification from Android tray.
Spark disappears from Messenger icon.
Spark remains on Hub.
Scenario 3.
You open Hub and see the message but do not click on it.
Spark disappears from Hub.
Spark remains on Messenger.
The bigger problem is that some apps do not integrate into the Hub so when you hear a message tone you have to check two notification trays, Hub and Android.
Also you can delete SMS messages in Hub and the also disappear from Messenger but oddly you can not compose an SMS in Hub or reply directly to one.
Next time I will only be promoting a finished product
Posted via CB1011-01-15 06:17 PMLike 0 - I cannot see the phone being released with this duplicate notification issue, if it does then I'll still keep the Priv but will stick to my passport until it is fixed.....
But nothing can be 100% until the phone is officially released.
"I roll with 2 passports, 1 for travelling and 1 for communicating"anon4226395 likes this.11-01-15 07:08 PMLike 1 - All cell phones need to be tweaked you are so right. Seems some want to ***** without seeing it first hand. This is new territory for all of us though with our blackberry giving others the cool features we love. In a way it is a shame we have come to this because blackberry cannot market a good thing.11-01-15 08:02 PMLike 0
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Canadian вιaсĸвεггч� ᕵαssρσяτ SQW100-1/10.3.2.263911-01-15 08:14 PMLike 0 - In android it is possible to ignore notifications in the system notification pulldown.
I would imagine this would have no effect on the hub and would allow for completely separate sets of user defined notifications.
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The OS, not the app situation or the device marketing... :-)
Priv New (Chendroid) World...? :-| Lawmen23 likes this.11-01-15 10:15 PMLike 1 - No AOSP is open source, if they want to comply with google's Android, they have to hit all of the MUST in this document (then another more mysterious process to get GAPPS).
"Device implementers MAY provide an alternative user experience for notifications than that provided by the reference Android Open Source implementation; however, such alternative notification systems MUST support existing notification resources, as above."
I really do not see why Google would care if one uses the stock notification center or develop their own as long as new center meets the requirements set forth by "Google Android".
So the only way the Hub could replace the Android notification center is if the Hub has all the same capabilities which at this moment looks as though it does not. It should not be too difficult to do so and then redirect traffic from the stock notification center to the Hub, it should work and won't break compatibility.
I did not find anything in the document stating that if two notification centers exist on the same device than only the stock notification center can take control upfront and foremost.11-01-15 10:54 PMLike 0 - From your link:
"Device implementers MAY provide an alternative user experience for notifications than that provided by the reference Android Open Source implementation; however, such alternative notification systems MUST support existing notification resources, as above."
I really do not see why Google would care if one uses the stock notification center or develop their own as long as new center meets the requirements set forth by "Google Android".
So the only way the Hub could replace the Android notification center is if the Hub has all the same capabilities which at this moment looks as though it does not. It should not be too difficult to do so and then redirect traffic from the stock notification center to the Hub, it should work and won't break compatibility.
I did not find anything in the document stating that if two notification centers exist on the same device than only the stock notification center can take control upfront and foremost.11-02-15 12:40 AMLike 0 - 11-02-15 03:01 AMLike 0
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I didn't start a thread for the front facing camera problem because it's well exposed and I don't care. I didn't start a thread for @evleaks 's report on the buggy and beta experience because I know BlackBerry will be able to fix them in following releases.
I started this thread because BlackBerry may not be able to fix it from app side. Google may have to do something at Android side to enable what BlackBerry wants to do. And I am not sure Google is willing to tailor Android for BlackBerry 's interest.
Never mind, enjoy your Monday.
PassportSQW100-1/10.3.2.2639Q10Bold likes this.11-02-15 07:13 AMLike 1 - So if a message supported by Hub comes, if I understand this correctly, we will get both Hub notification and the Android notification. If we read the message in HUB, the Hub notification for this message would be cleared, but in Android notification center, this message will still shows as unread. We will have to click the message in the notification center to clear the unread status there.
For other messages, the tray notification is only cleared if the Android OS recognizes the Hub as an app for those messages. And that's the problem. A Facebook notification comes in through the Facebook app. The OS links that notification to that app, and doesn't clear it until that app is opened to deal with it. If that notification appears in the Hub, and the user then taps the notification and the Hub then causes the Facebook app to open, the tray notification should go away. But if the user decides not to open it but just deletes it from the Hub, it's going to stay in the tray, because only the Facebook app can delete that notification in the try (or the user doing so manually by swiping it away).
If the app is written to allow the Hub to talk to it, the Hub could tell the app to clear the tray notification. Or if the app has public APIs, BlackBerry can actually build it into the Hub, making the Hub a client for that service. Apart from that, we're stuck with the redundant notifications. And unfortunately, although you can turn off sound, toast, and LED notifications per app, you can't turn off tray notifications unless you disable ALL notifications. There are some apps that I wish would just blink or beep, but not load the tray with notifications, and I've learned this can't be done in Android.
I'm not planning to buy the Priv anyway at this stage, but I'm pretty sure I'd find this annoying rather quickly. I'd probably end up using the Hub as a unified email inbox and little or nothing else.cgk likes this.11-02-15 07:55 AMLike 1 - Here's another possibility. On my nexus 5, if I receive a sms, BBM, Facebook, twitter, or any kind of notification really, it pops up in the tray at the top of the screen. Regardless of whether I open the notification from the tray or through the app itself, the notification disappears from the tray.
That being said, assuming that the hub works in a similar manner as the Android system tray, the same logic should apply. If we open, for example, a SMS notification from the hub, I am of the understanding that the hub actually initiates the SMS app (hangouts or messenger). If this is the case, wouldn't this trigger the same reaction as what I first described with my nexus 5 (message is opened from app, notification disappears from notification tray)? It just sounds like the hub is still CURRENTLY needing some polish, like it has been mentioned numerous times already, but the possibility should be there for it to play nicely with the Android notification system.
On a side note, typing this lost on my nexus makes me realize how desperately i miss my pkb.
Posted via the CrackBerry App for Android11-02-15 08:05 AMLike 0 - Look...you are all going crazy for something we dont even know is a problem. I am pretty sure even on stock android you can now control how each app has notifcations set up. As seen in the screens below you can turn of notifications for each app. It all depends on how the hub gets its info. You might be able to silence the notifications from the apps themselves and just let the hub handle it if you are getting double notifications. And for that info we do not have a clear picture and wont until later this week11-02-15 08:10 AMLike 0
- Out of all the problems exposed by @Privberry and @evleaks (thank you both BTW), the only one concerns me is the notification problem reported by @Privberry.
So if a message supported by Hub comes, if I understand this correctly, we will get both Hub notification and the Android notification. If we read the message in HUB, the Hub notification for this message would be cleared, but in Android notification center, this message will still shows as unread. We will have to click the message in the notification center to clear the unread status there.
This could be a deal break for me (got spoiled by BB10 productivity) but it's only confirmed on the version of Priv @Privberry is using. Hopefully this gets address before the release in November.
Crackberry, can you live with this little inconvenience (if it exists)?
PassportSQW100-1/10.3.2.263911-02-15 08:13 AMLike 0 - This shouldn't be the case for email, since other email apps on Android do clear the tray notification when the app is opened. And the Hub is, first and foremost, an email app (on Android).
For other messages, the tray notification is only cleared if the Android OS recognizes the Hub as an app for those messages. And that's the problem. A Facebook notification comes in through the Facebook app. The OS links that notification to that app, and doesn't clear it until that app is opened to deal with it. If that notification appears in the Hub, and the user then taps the notification and the Hub then causes the Facebook app to open, the tray notification should go away. But if the user decides not to open it but just deletes it from the Hub, it's going to stay in the tray, because only the Facebook app can delete that notification in the try (or the user doing so manually by swiping it away).
If the app is written to allow the Hub to talk to it, the Hub could tell the app to clear the tray notification. Or if the app has public APIs, BlackBerry can actually build it into the Hub, making the Hub a client for that service. Apart from that, we're stuck with the redundant notifications. And unfortunately, although you can turn off sound, toast, and LED notifications per app, you can't turn off tray notifications unless you disable ALL notifications. There are some apps that I wish would just blink or beep, but not load the tray with notifications, and I've learned this can't be done in Android.
I'm not planning to buy the Priv anyway at this stage, but I'm pretty sure I'd find this annoying rather quickly. I'd probably end up using the Hub as a unified email inbox and little or nothing else.11-02-15 08:16 AMLike 0 - Look...you are all going crazy for something we dont even know is a problem. I am pretty sure even on stock android you can now control how each app has notifcations set up. As seen in the screens below you can turn of notifications for each app. It all depends on how the hub gets its info. You might be able to silence the notifications from the apps themselves and just let the hub handle it if you are getting double notifications. And for that info we do not have a clear picture and wont until later this week
PassportSQW100-1/10.3.2.263911-02-15 08:27 AMLike 0 -
PassportSQW100-1/10.3.2.263911-02-15 08:39 AMLike 0 -
Having said that, the other thing is that by and large, Google actually doesn't want apps do things on behalf of other apps, they'd rather the user evoked that app worked in it and then BACK to the previous app. You can do it but its not their preferred solution.11-02-15 08:55 AMLike 0
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