- So besides this "You don't know sh** bro" - "No, you don't know sh**" thing you got going on with Alejandro Nova, am I correct in saying that both of you agree that if BB10 is to survive, the only reasonable / feasible option is to integrate Qt 5.x into BB10? (I.e. it's the most efficient way for BlackBerry to update its OS in terms of goodies and APIs and whatnot as well as potentially upgrading its Android runtime/compatibility?)
Posted via Z3008-20-15 07:28 AMLike 0 - So besides this "You don't know sh** bro" - "No, you don't know sh**" thing you got going on with Alejandro Nova, am I correct in saying that both of you agree that if BB10 is to survive, the only reasonable / feasible option is to integrate Qt 5.x into BB10? (I.e. it's the most efficient way for BlackBerry to update its OS in terms of goodies and APIs and whatnot as well as potentially upgrading its Android runtime/compatibility?)08-20-15 07:45 AMLike 0
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My question was more of a theoretical one, though, if it pleases you to indulge in it. Is Qt5 basically the only way forward for BB10? I could imagine them (again, in theory) developing the OS in-house, but probably that would cost them more manpower than they have (left). But perhaps taking that route would have advantages I'm not aware of, like doing stuff that Qt 5 doesn't allow?
Thanks.08-20-15 09:15 AMLike 0 -
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Posted via CB10KingOfQwerty likes this.08-20-15 09:18 AMLike 1 - Unfortunately, I do agree that the signs point in that direction.
My question was more of a theoretical one, though, if it pleases you to indulge in it. Is Qt5 basically the only way forward for BB10? I could imagine them (again, in theory) developing the OS in-house, but probably that would cost them more manpower than they have (left). But perhaps taking that route would have advantages I'm not aware of, like doing stuff that Qt 5 doesn't allow?
Thanks.
I am thinking now that they are stopping work on BlackBerry 10 as a side agreement to get Android on the phones and still allow the Android run time on a legacy OS (BlackBerry 10).08-20-15 09:52 AMLike 0 - As to using android, I suppose it doesn't matter much if he wants to try to boost sales by trying
this route, but as has been stated before, android is on a race to the bottom. Even the mighty
Samsung has had problems keeping up sales volumes where they want. So, unless Chen has
an android rabbit up his sleeve, I'm not sure it's going to make a dent. Who knows?
As to the end of the line for BB10, take a look at it from Chen's holy grail, Government,
business, healthcare, etc. It took BB several years to get all of those government
security certifications. Keep in mind, as far as I know, only Samsung Knox even started
down this road. It will take several more years to start from scratch with a new Android
device. Meantime, who thinks these customers will wait or buy EOL devices waiting
for BB? Remember, BB tossed the idea of a consumer device years ago. These people
are all they have left. BB is not in any position to dictate to any customers a 100% switch
to Android. Out of all the possibilities, BB dies, android gains nothing, and IBM+Apple get
the break they've been looking for as it becomes a wide open competition.
As much as the "consumers" want android, and could care less about BB10, performing
a complete 180 turn and overhaul of their software would most likely end in loosing the very
customer base that Chen has spent his entire time courting.
Several companies market android and windows phones at the same time. This is MUCH
more probable than committing corporate suicide.gvs1341 likes this.08-20-15 09:43 PMLike 1 - Just got full confirmation, the slider WILL be 100% for sure android and no BB10 version planned as of now. And it will be pure vanilla android with bb10 features. GPS as well but I will be able to confirm GPS tmr. Believe me or not but my sources are VERY high up and they have yet to be wrong. Sorry to burst your bubble but this is it. Its real. And I am excited. Part of me is sad as I do love BB10 for its strength BUT I would rather have a blackberry handset rather than no backberry handset at all.
Thanks in advance
Posted via CB1008-21-15 07:09 AMLike 0 - As to using android, I suppose it doesn't matter much if he wants to try to boost sales by trying
this route, but as has been stated before, android is on a race to the bottom. Even the mighty
Samsung has had problems keeping up sales volumes where they want. So, unless Chen has
an android rabbit up his sleeve, I'm not sure it's going to make a dent. Who knows?
As to the end of the line for BB10, take a look at it from Chen's holy grail, Government,
business, healthcare, etc. It took BB several years to get all of those government
security certifications. Keep in mind, as far as I know, only Samsung Knox even started
down this road. It will take several more years to start from scratch with a new Android
device. Meantime, who thinks these customers will wait or buy EOL devices waiting
for BB? Remember, BB tossed the idea of a consumer device years ago. These people
are all they have left. BB is not in any position to dictate to any customers a 100% switch
to Android. Out of all the possibilities, BB dies, android gains nothing, and IBM+Apple get
the break they've been looking for as it becomes a wide open competition.
As much as the "consumers" want android, and could care less about BB10, performing
a complete 180 turn and overhaul of their software would most likely end in loosing the very
customer base that Chen has spent his entire time courting.
Several companies market android and windows phones at the same time. This is MUCH
more probable than committing corporate suicide.
Posted via CB10lnichols likes this.08-21-15 07:23 AMLike 1 - Finally someone who gets it. I don't care if it's bb10 or Droid as if it's Droid I can get an iphone, if bb10 I stay so I don't care because I have good options either way. Everyone is forgetting that if BlackBerry does go Droid they are gambling away their loyal customers who's been there for them through the toughest times, if this plan fails, I won't be getting a bb10 device (assuming they go 180 again), I'll get the iphone 7. I'm sure it seems like half of BlackBerry users want one and the other wants the other
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I just wonder how loyal some of these users really are. I was on the blackberry subreddit and someone was complaining about a game that cost $4.99 on the blackberry app store, I just found it funny that some people complain about the lack of apps and yet there unwilling to support the devs.
Anyways I'm side tracking my main point is that I don't think some blackberry users are not as loyal as they claim to be.
Sent from my SAMSUNG-SM-N910A using TapatalkAdam Kowalczyk1 likes this.08-21-15 08:22 AMLike 1 - I'm curious, how loyal are blackberry customers? I notice some bb users are using some pretty old blackberries and have no intentions of upgrading, I also notice some complaining about the price (why get this blackberry running Android when I can buy another android device for less) and then of course you have those hardcore bb fans who buy the same phone but in different colors.
I just wonder how loyal some of these users really are. I was on the blackberry subreddit and someone was complaining about a game that cost $4.99 on the blackberry app store, I just found it funny that some people complain about the lack of apps and yet there unwilling to support the devs.
Anyways I'm side tracking my main point is that I don't think some blackberry users are not as loyal as they claim to be.
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Posted via Z30extisis likes this.08-21-15 08:33 AMLike 1 - I can understand some user being so dedicated to BB10 and not wanting to jump ship to any other operating system. What I question is, those who are already willing to jump ship without even seeing what this new slider is capable of. Sure it might be Android but blackberry seems to be adding their own twist to it, who knows it might actually run a lot smoother than other versions of Android (Touchwhiz, HTC Sense, etc.)
I'm simply saying that people need to wati it out. Their version of Android might actually be pretty solid.08-21-15 09:17 AMLike 0 - I can understand some user being so dedicated to BB10 and not wanting to jump ship to any other operating system. What I question is, those who are already willing to jump ship without even seeing what this new slider is capable of. Sure it might be Android but blackberry seems to be adding their own twist to it, who knows it might actually run a lot smoother than other versions of Android (Touchwhiz, HTC Sense, etc.)
I'm simply saying that people need to wati it out. Their version of Android might actually be pretty solid.
I can't open more than two apps without both crashing all the time on my z30. Am trying to be patient and not jump ship, but if they take too long I won't be able to hold out. Too many good phones out there and I am just not willing to put up with bull**** problems anymore. I have had the z30 since close to release date by the Way.
You snooze you loose. Bbry is definitely snoozing.
Posted via CB10MO3iusONE likes this.08-21-15 10:07 AMLike 1 - I can understand some user being so dedicated to BB10 and not wanting to jump ship to any other operating system. What I question is, those who are already willing to jump ship without even seeing what this new slider is capable of. Sure it might be Android but blackberry seems to be adding their own twist to it, who knows it might actually run a lot smoother than other versions of Android (Touchwhiz, HTC Sense, etc.)
I'm simply saying that people need to wati it out. Their version of Android might actually be pretty solid.
Posted via CB10extisis likes this.08-21-15 10:10 AMLike 1 - So in your opinion, is someone that used BBOS exclusively and went to a BB10 all touch device and used it exclusively, but doesn't want an Android BlackBerry device not a loyal customer? Should a loyal customer accept an inferior OS when the reason BB10 failed was the lack of consumer awareness on the new OS and devices? And finally, isn't loyalty a two way street as Chen stated in an interview, and if so, is/has BlackBerry been loyal to its customers?
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Posted via CB10pttptppt and KingOfQwerty like this.08-21-15 10:12 AMLike 2 - I can understand some user being so dedicated to BB10 and not wanting to jump ship to any other operating system. What I question is, those who are already willing to jump ship without even seeing what this new slider is capable of. Sure it might be Android but blackberry seems to be adding their own twist to it, who knows it might actually run a lot smoother than other versions of Android (Touchwhiz, HTC Sense, etc.)
I'm simply saying that people need to wati it out. Their version of Android might actually be pretty solid.
Posted via Z30MO3iusONE likes this.08-21-15 11:17 AMLike 1 - pttptpptHello PatrickI don't want a BlackBerry Android device. I don't need to wait for it to come out to know this. Android is my third choice of OS. BB10 first, iOS second, and Android is third. I also don't trust BlackBerry to keep up with BB10 if they release and Android device. If they are releasing Android to secure GPS for BB10, then fine, but they better start talking real soon.
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Posted via CB1008-21-15 11:22 AMLike 0 - Is not about that,is that we BlackBerry users know that bb10 is by far a better os than android (not more mature but just better) and is killing us to think that they may ditch the best os that there is in favor of android,i mean have you try android? I did with my father's phone and that thing is like a computer when is infected with a bunch of Spyware, you'll see pop ups everywhere at all times,everything looks so congested, how that os became so popular is beyond me,all we need is a better runtime integration with bb10 and we'll have the best of both worlds,hopefully that's what blackberry is working on.
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My point is that sometimes someone uses a budget phone running Android or a really low end device running Android and base their decision off that.
Not to mention that yes, sometimes you'll download some apps that don't play too nice with android and you might suffer fast battery drain, or even crashes that's all on the apps though.
I know I'm in a room of blackberry faithful which is cool, I just wish people were more open to it. Yes, the competition will be stiff for blackberry and they'll have plenty of contenders but hopefully this makes blackberry popular among your average consumer again.
Sent from my SAMSUNG-SM-N910A using Tapatalkmania626 likes this.08-21-15 01:44 PMLike 1 - you don't try android in odd circumstances. you try it and if it doesn't work for you, then so be it. you can only hype android so much until the ugly truth sticks out.
and this phone won't make blackberry popular again.. it'll be about a month's worth of reviews and features... then down the wayside it goes under the rest of forgettable android devices. unless there's a BB10 version then that one will stick out for most of us ;-)08-21-15 02:47 PMLike 0 - BlackBerry has the chance to sell hundreds of millions of this device to a whole different target audience. How can an Android BlackBerry which will be the one and only keyboard Android device go under? It will go under if it's running BB10 because potential buyers will say: "Nice device, really, but the software is so limited"
Welcome to the real world!
Posted via CB1008-21-15 03:32 PMLike 0 - I'm curious, how loyal are blackberry customers? I notice some bb users are using some pretty old blackberries and have no intentions of upgrading, I also notice some complaining about the price (why get this blackberry running Android when I can buy another android device for less) and then of course you have those hardcore bb fans who buy the same phone but in different colors.
I just wonder how loyal some of these users really are. I was on the blackberry subreddit and someone was complaining about a game that cost $4.99 on the blackberry app store, I just found it funny that some people complain about the lack of apps and yet there unwilling to support the devs.
Anyways I'm side tracking my main point is that I don't think some blackberry users are not as loyal as they claim to be.
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The better question is why do you think they're still running this system? As has been pounded home over and over,
android and ios have a much larger app selection. All of these people have had years to switch. The key is to get your
mindset out of the consumer world. The most likely reason is that there isn't a better solution for their needs (security, management,
etc. for the money). Chen was not lying when he said you could use android on BES, but it won't be as secure as their current
handsets (or BB10 for that matter).
My guess as to why most are not committing to new hardware from BB is that there afraid that BB won't be around or won't be
committed to their new investment. This is mostly due to an INCESSANT barrage from the press that BB is going under and won't be
around for support. BB needs to convince these customers that they're in it for the long haul and will be around for a long, long time.
An android handset may or may not hurt that cause, but axing BB10 would destroy any image they have worked hard to create
that they have secure, reliable, LONG TERM solutions for their target audience.Last edited by srb151; 08-21-15 at 07:22 PM. Reason: no message
MO3iusONE likes this.08-21-15 07:04 PMLike 1 - If the slider is gonna run BB10 then this will be my first BlackBerry ever (my mum has had the Z30 and currently the Passport). And no, my mum and I are just *regular* end users who like a productive OS. (currently I'm using the Jolla phone with slider keyboard, before that I used the HP Pre 3 slider phone).
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