1. jeremyr4's Avatar
    I passed by an AT&T store today to take a look at the new Priv. I am a heavy BB Classic business user (on Verizon) and, while the Classic has some minor bugs and inefficiencies, overalI I really like my Classic and OS10 in general. FYI - I usually use 4-6 hours of talk time per day + 1 exchange e-mail account with 150+ e-mails coming in each day. I only use my phone for calls, e-mails, and texts. Here are my quick impressions:

    - The phone was thinner than I expected. When the reviews say it's thin it's literally as thin as a normal phone. You would never know a keyboard is hiding underneath.
    - The keyboard was slightly wider but significantly shorter in height than the Classic, making the keys "squished down" but slightly wider. I made less typing errors than I anticipated but I did find it cramped, especially when hitting the top row vs bumping up at the top with my fingers. Overall I was expecting the keyboard to be cramped and I did think it was cramped but it's probably useable (it's borderline for me). I would still like to see it be a little less squished to make it much more useable. It struck me as a lot better than the Torch keyboard but I never owned a Torch so I could be wrong about that.
    - Really nice and big screen that is on par with other modern Android phones.
    - The 2 biggest problems I had with the phone were some lag at times and efficiency of the usability/flow. It could have been the demo phone at the store but, at times, I would go into the Hub, for example, and try to click on the menu but it would literally take 7-10 seconds (no exaggeration) until the phone was willing to register my tap. It didn't register 7-10 seconds later - it just wouldn't do anything when I trying to tapping for the first 7-10 seconds, as if I wasn't tapping on the screen at all. This happened in multiple places (Hub, dialer, etc). Not sure if maybe something was slowing the phone down or if it's just the OS. As for the efficiency of the usability/flow, I have gotten accustomed to the BB Flow and it's just soooo efficient for the most part. It's clearly designed for business users and efficiency. Android is designed to cater to everyone and to be able to do anything but clearly isn't a focused business tool (and it's not meant to be). That's not a good thing from my perspective, as I suspect it would bog me down compared to OS10. Now, I FULLY realize that perhaps I would get used to it, as I only used it for 15-20 mins, but my initial impression is that it can do a lot more than my Classic but those capabilities take away from the business/efficiency focus, which is a net negative for me. I hope that makes sense.
    - I missed the trackpad, as I found that sometimes the keyboard swiping worked and sometimes it didn't (depended on where I was in the OS). OS10 did a mostly good job of integrating the trackpad into each screen and I use it a lot, making the Priv a tricker phone for me to use.

    Now that BB is leaking the Vienna I'm thinking that OS10 is on borrowed time and that future BBs will be based on Android. If that's true then I'm going to wait to try the Vienna, as a non-slider with smaller screen (but hopefully bigger keyboard!) is the better fit for me. And if I don't like it then I will probably buy several Classics and use them until they all die/break. I did that with the Motorola Q9c (I literally used one until last year!) and it served me well. But I just can't see myself choosing Android over OS10 as a heavy business user unless I am forced to do so, which I am guessing will eventually happen.

    I hope this was helpful for Classic users...
    11-12-15 07:27 PM
  2. deadcowboy's Avatar
    I have to go back to BB10. Android is a mess of an operating system. It's quite a lovely phone, but my Passport is bulletproof.

    Posted via CB10
    11-12-15 08:23 PM
  3. Sleepy_ER_Dr's Avatar
    I passed by an AT&T store today to take a look at the new Priv. I am a heavy BB Classic business user (on Verizon) and, while the Classic has some minor bugs and inefficiencies, overalI I really like my Classic and OS10 in general. FYI - I usually use 4-6 hours of talk time per day + 1 exchange e-mail account with 150+ e-mails coming in each day. I only use my phone for calls, e-mails, and texts. Here are my quick impressions:

    - The phone was thinner than I expected. When the reviews say it's thin it's literally as thin as a normal phone. You would never know a keyboard is hiding underneath.
    - The keyboard was slightly wider but significantly shorter in height than the Classic, making the keys "squished down" but slightly wider. I made less typing errors than I anticipated but I did find it cramped, especially when hitting the top row vs bumping up at the top with my fingers. Overall I was expecting the keyboard to be cramped and I did think it was cramped but it's probably useable (it's borderline for me). I would still like to see it be a little less squished to make it much more useable. It struck me as a lot better than the Torch keyboard but I never owned a Torch so I could be wrong about that.
    - Really nice and big screen that is on par with other modern Android phones.
    - The 2 biggest problems I had with the phone were some lag at times and efficiency of the usability/flow. It could have been the demo phone at the store but, at times, I would go into the Hub, for example, and try to click on the menu but it would literally take 7-10 seconds (no exaggeration) until the phone was willing to register my tap. It didn't register 7-10 seconds later - it just wouldn't do anything when I trying to tapping for the first 7-10 seconds, as if I wasn't tapping on the screen at all. This happened in multiple places (Hub, dialer, etc). Not sure if maybe something was slowing the phone down or if it's just the OS. As for the efficiency of the usability/flow, I have gotten accustomed to the BB Flow and it's just soooo efficient for the most part. It's clearly designed for business users and efficiency. Android is designed to cater to everyone and to be able to do anything but clearly isn't a focused business tool (and it's not meant to be). That's not a good thing from my perspective, as I suspect it would bog me down compared to OS10. Now, I FULLY realize that perhaps I would get used to it, as I only used it for 15-20 mins, but my initial impression is that it can do a lot more than my Classic but those capabilities take away from the business/efficiency focus, which is a net negative for me. I hope that makes sense.
    - I missed the trackpad, as I found that sometimes the keyboard swiping worked and sometimes it didn't (depended on where I was in the OS). OS10 did a mostly good job of integrating the trackpad into each screen and I use it a lot, making the Priv a tricker phone for me to use.

    Now that BB is leaking the Vienna I'm thinking that OS10 is on borrowed time and that future BBs will be based on Android. If that's true then I'm going to wait to try the Vienna, as a non-slider with smaller screen (but hopefully bigger keyboard!) is the better fit for me. And if I don't like it then I will probably buy several Classics and use them until they all die/break. I did that with the Motorola Q9c (I literally used one until last year!) and it served me well. But I just can't see myself choosing Android over OS10 as a heavy business user unless I am forced to do so, which I am guessing will eventually happen.

    I hope this was helpful for Classic users...
    Great review, especially in terms of discussing the Priv. Really wanted to know how the Keyboard feels in comparison to other Blackberries like the Classic.
    11-12-15 10:46 PM
  4. jeremyr4's Avatar
    Great review, especially in terms of discussing the Priv. Really wanted to know how the Keyboard feels in comparison to other Blackberries like the Classic.
    No problem. The best way I can describe my keyboard experience is that it's obvious the keys are squished BUT I was able to type and not make that many mistakes (surprisingly). What it lacked was the truly comfortable feeling of typing on a more typical candy bar style phone (like the Classic). I suspect people will get used to it but it's definitely not as comfortable as a more "classic" BB keyboard (pun intended!).

    The keyboard alone was borderline enough that I'm now going to wait for the Vienna, if it's ever released, as I suspect it will be a more comfortable keyboard at the expensive of giving up some screen size, which is fine with me. If you get rid of the keyboard as a challenge then Android OS + battery life would be my biggest questions...
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    11-12-15 11:01 PM
  5. Lobwedgephil's Avatar
    Good initial impressions. To me I don't think that you can judge the keyboard until you use it for a week or so and get used to it. It may or may not work for you, but a few mins in the store isn't enough time, it took my almost two weeks to get used to the Passport keyboard.
    11-12-15 11:12 PM
  6. samstr's Avatar
    I have to go back to BB10. Android is a mess of an operating system. It's quite a lovely phone, but my Passport is bulletproof.

    Posted via CB10
    I have a Passport and I fully agree. I have a samsung tablet , and I also played with the Priv in the store for about 30min. I just cant get used to the lack of flow with andoid. BB10 seems so much more refined and efficient.

    Also, the Priv unit i tested seemed much cheaper in build quality than my Passport, and the keyboard seemed squished. The other negative about the keyboard is that the top row is impeded by the frame of the phone above it.

    Posted via the CrackBerry App for Android
    11-12-15 11:24 PM
  7. Sleepy_ER_Dr's Avatar
    I have a Passport and I fully agree. I have a samsung tablet , and I also played with the Priv in the store for about 30min. I just cant get used to the lack of flow with andoid. BB10 seems so much more refined and efficient.

    Also, the Priv unit i tested seemed much cheaper in build quality than my Passport, and the keyboard seemed squished. The other negative about the keyboard is that the top row is impeded by the frame of the phone above it.

    Posted via the CrackBerry App for Android

    If you have a Passport Silver edition, anything would feel inferior.....lol... BlackBerry 10 is going to be a lot more refined at present because BBERRY had years to get it right. This is BBerry's first attempt at android with a minimalistic skin. It won't be 100% solid initially, but they seem to be working on it with lots of updates.

    I don't want my fears of that solid BBerry 10 privacy and smoothness to stop me from using a Priv. I am just excited that BBERRY realized that it was important to attempt to change direction in order for the company to stay afloat and relevant.

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    11-13-15 11:31 AM
  8. o4liberty's Avatar
    Owning the Priv I can attest it takes some getting use to but after a day or so it starts to really grow on you. It's faster than any blackberry with all the apps you will ever need plus a camera that takes beautiful shots.

    Posted via the CrackBerry App for Android
    11-13-15 12:12 PM
  9. DStLouis's Avatar
    Owning the Priv I can attest it takes some getting use to but after a day or so it starts to really grow on you. It's faster than any blackberry with all the apps you will ever need plus a camera that takes beautiful shots.

    Posted via the CrackBerry App for Android
    What would you thing about speed an efficiencies if the PRIV was running under BB10 instead?
    Now what if as opposed to built on top of Android, if BlackBerry had manage to get full access to Google play (and Google srevices)?



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    Last edited by DStLouis; 11-15-15 at 02:27 AM.
    11-13-15 12:29 PM
  10. Scott Fleurie1's Avatar
    Let's keep in mind the demos are not running the newest hub software, fyi

    Posted via the CrackBerry App for Android
    11-13-15 12:31 PM
  11. biochemgod's Avatar
    I am currently using the Passport, which has been an amazing productivity device. Despite this, it has been annoying that I haven't been able to pair it with my Sony Smartwatch 3 for notifications or cycling/running and I have been using my old Galaxy Note II just for this purpose.
    So I purchased a Priv and have been using it for a couple of days now thinking it would be the best of both worlds.
    So far, I agree with you guys - for almost every task, the Passport is far superior - smoother, more rapid experience and a well-optimized OS. While Android has improved somewhat since I last used it daily, it is pretty clunky for messaging and communication even with the Android HUB available. I would give anything for a Passport running BB10 with Google Play Services.
    I will spend another week or so optimizing the apps and settings on the Priv to improve the experience, but I am not sure that it will be replacing my Passport.
    11-13-15 12:41 PM
  12. samstr's Avatar
    I would give anything for a Passport running BB10 with Google Play Services.
    I agree 100%. Google Play Services and a better camera would be the ultimate phone for me.
    11-13-15 02:38 PM
  13. deadcowboy's Avatar
    I agree 100%. Google Play Services and a better camera would be the ultimate phone for me.
    I wish that the original BB10 tap to shoot camera was iterated upon. It was a really interesting concept for a cell phone camera (pre 10.3), and different than anything anyone else was doing.

    BlackBerry sure had a great BB10 team at the beginning. Though the Priv camera is really quite quick and sweet, imo. Great Priv camera software, despite what the reviews say, and the viewfinder refresh rate is very quick as was noted by a dev here on the forums. 3-picture HDR is also a nice and rare feature. I like that BlackBerry usually aims for honest quality.

    Posted via CB10
    11-13-15 02:42 PM

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