- Yes. Priv is expensive.
But what no one is really focusing on is that while this may be an Android phone, it is not just a vanilla Android Phone. What things like the Device Simulator make clear is that Priv is providing a unique experience. It's not just an android phone with a keyboard. BlackBerry has integrated it's own view of mobile communications into Android. It's not just Touchwiz or something like it that adds no value. BlackBerry is adding real value to the vanilla Android experience. It's something you can't get anywhere else. So, if you want the power that Hub gives you, you're going to have to pay for it. Sorry. Save up. Like all phones, the price will come down over time. But, stop saying this phone is DOA because of the price. You're comparing it to phones that don't offer what Priv does.
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I absolutely agree with all your comments. Everybody seems to say all good about Apple and their iPhones but, as you've pointed out, they're just the same but faster. Same bland menus, same operating system that personally I find boring.
It comes down to this, we can all spend years of our life on here talking about bloody iPhone and making reference to how some people think it's better than Blackberry but the simple answer is: An iPhone is a toy and a Blackberry is a tool to get things done10-26-15 01:22 PMLike 0 -
BlackBerry has been hording cash. This gives them financial stability, which means they're not just going to go under overnight, if that's what Enterprise is worried about. That's the reason for the cash horde. (If you've followed Apple along, they were in financial straits until Jobs came back. He directed them to horde cash so that they wouldn't end up where they had been before.)
Add in that this is a BETA product.... pickup will be slow for enterprise.
Personally I think the hording will continue.... I think in six months many here will complain how if only BlackBerry had spend more on marketing, training and carrier co-op.... that the PRIV would have been a success. But I think Chen's goal is software and right now the time that money can buy is very much needed.
BlackPhone and KNOX... they aren't something you walk into your local carrier store and buy. I know BlackBerry's focus is on enterprise, but I think with the volumes they're expecting there is no way they'll get there over the next year without consumers. Thus there is a BIG level of consumer focus.10-26-15 01:34 PMLike 2 - ...BlackPhone and KNOX... they aren't something you walk into your local carrier store and buy. I know BlackBerry's focus is on enterprise, but I think with the volumes they're expecting there is no way they'll get there over the next year without consumers. Thus there is a BIG level of consumer focus.
Also keep in mind that there just isn't a 5M-6M market for high end phones. Even Lumias are having a hard time.
Dunt Dunt Dunt likes this.10-26-15 01:41 PMLike 1 -
- What you and everyone here complaining about the price are missing is that unfortunately BlackBerry is not after your business, Chen recently was quoted saying they're focusing on the high end market they cannot compete in the mid to low range market. Priv will sell to those who can afford the device but mostly to those in the enterprise market
Posted via CB1010-26-15 01:56 PMLike 0 - Doesn't matter if BBOS existed.... in 2011 (and even 2012) that's what most enterprise customers knew. The "few" that moved over to BB10 have only been using it for a couple of years, and now BlackBerry has basically put an expiration date on it. So for some enterprise customer there hasn't been much stability.
For BlackBerry to be on good graces with Enterprise customers, they just need to guarantee a controlled end to the product, which could involve a guarantee of X years of support and/or discounted to free devices to convert over to Android. For BlackBerry, the money is in the continued software/services contracts.
Cash gives them time.... it doesn't give them financial stability. Or BBRY investors would respond much differently than they have, same concerns that are keeping the stock down, might just affect a CFO's decision to approve a large contract that involved BlackBerry products.
Personally I think the hording will continue.... I think in six months many here will complain how if only BlackBerry had spend more on marketing, training and carrier co-op.... that the PRIV would have been a success. But I think Chen's goal is software and right now the time that money can buy is very much needed.
BlackPhone and KNOX... they aren't something you walk into your local carrier store and buy. I know BlackBerry's focus is on enterprise, but I think with the volumes they're expecting there is no way they'll get there over the next year without consumers. Thus there is a BIG level of consumer focus.10-26-15 02:17 PMLike 0 - Yes. Priv is expensive.
But what no one is really focusing on is that while this may be an Android phone, it is not just a vanilla Android Phone. What things like the Device Simulator make clear is that Priv is providing a unique experience. It's not just an android phone with a keyboard. BlackBerry has integrated it's own view of mobile communications into Android. It's not just Touchwiz or something like it that adds no value. BlackBerry is adding real value to the vanilla Android experience. It's something you can't get anywhere else. So, if you want the power that Hub gives you, you're going to have to pay for it. Sorry. Save up. Like all phones, the price will come down over time. But, stop saying this phone is DOA because of the price. You're comparing it to phones that don't offer what Priv does.
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Name. Most think BlackBerry is dead.
Price. BlackBerry prices are not an incentive to buy one.
Apps. Most people think BlackBerry is dead or dying so they have no idea they run Android. Apps.
Specs. Specs are a selling feature. If BlackBerry has the same or less than specs of others it's at a disadvantage.
If BlackBerry cares about market share they should have sold the Z10 at loss to hold market share, thereby creating or holding onto loyalty. Instead they still have a desire to turn a profit on phones. At this point they've proven time and again they can't. They need to break even or take a loss and hope for converts and back this up with massive marketing.
Posted via CB10BGRS likes this.10-26-15 02:20 PMLike 1 - Also keep in mind that there just isn't a 5M-6M market for high end phones. Even Lumias are having a hard time.
The bad news, although hardly surprising is the Lumia line of Windows Phones. Microsoft got pulverized with a 54% decline in phone revenue compared to the same quarter last year. That translates into just 5.8 million Lumias sold last quarter versus 9.3 million the year earlier.
(For those who have been asking for a high-end full touch BB10, if this /did/ indicate that there's a very limited market for high-end devices in general, don't you sound foolish now? Limited sales in high-end, then further limited by number of BB10 users. Double whammy to kill off the hardware division altogether. But don't worry, it's not about good strategy for BlackBerry, but getting what you want. The company could collapse as long as you got that upgrade one last time, right?)10-26-15 02:25 PMLike 0 -
- I cannot comment about BlackBerry as I haven't dealt with them at all, but OnePlus' poor QC is well known.10-26-15 05:21 PMLike 0
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- This doesn't say that there's a very limited market for high-end phones, just that Windows Phones aren't doing well. The numbers above are for all Windows Phone, not just their high-end devices.
(For those who have been asking for a high-end full touch BB10, if this /did/ indicate that there's a very limited market for high-end devices in general, don't you sound foolish now? Limited sales in high-end, then further limited by number of BB10 users. Double whammy to kill off the hardware division altogether. But don't worry, it's not about good strategy for BlackBerry, but getting what you want. The company could collapse as long as you got that upgrade one last time, right?)10-26-15 08:58 PMLike 0 - Prices don't matter, purchases matter. And stats show extremely little in the way of purchases in the high end category. On that note just because iphones are selling in Canada today for 1,000 dollars - does not mean Canadians are buying them (or that they are worth it). Canadians are happy to wait for the dollar to change. I'm in an office of 50 or so, and only 4 or 5 people have newer flagship phones.
Is there a small chance enough enterprise customers are interested in the priv? Maybe, I doubt it. Their Android purchases would have been locked in ages ago and it takes up to a year for enterprise companies to approve new hardware use. But regardless, they are intentionally building and pricing an Android phone in a dangerous low purchase category. I wouldn't say it's far fetched to call the price dangerous *shrug* let alone create a thread to target anyone who raises a caution on the price tag.
Posted to CB via my Passport | Lloyd Summers | FileArchiveHaven10-26-15 09:11 PMLike 4 - The point you missed was Blackberry would have to SURPASS Windows Phone in market share to make their mark. Do you see this happening with a phone no one knows about? I don't. If the struggling Windows Phones are losing significant share, Blackberry (who is a nobody in this market) basically has no chance in the handset business.
Posted to CB via my Passport | Lloyd Summers | FileArchiveHaven10-26-15 09:16 PMLike 0 - The problem is that this phone has a certain level of risk inherently attached to it.
Will BlackBerry be around making hardware? Do they really know how to handle Android? How is there customer service?
All these things are widely known for most other manufacturers.
So, honestly, BlackBerry is taking a risk, the buyer is taking a risk,.. the price should reflect a mutual appreciation of this.
As it, stands, the price makes it clear BlackBerry thinks they are the hottest thing in town and their sh*t has never stunk.
Detached from reality as usual.
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Another half empty glass of water fan.
PIN 2COF829A10-26-15 09:24 PMLike 0 - For what it's worth, I'll probably get one anyway . And I am working on a game that will be accessible on Priv and BB10. I'm just saying they are taking a bigger risk than they should have on the pricing, given they want to do this in one shot.
Posted to CB via my Passport | Lloyd Summers | FileArchiveHaven10-27-15 01:00 AMLike 0 - The point you missed was Blackberry would have to SURPASS Windows Phone in market share to make their mark. Do you see this happening with a phone no one knows about? I don't. If the struggling Windows Phones are losing significant share, Blackberry (who is a nobody in this market) basically has no chance in the handset business.
The general public doesn't know about the PRIV because it hasn't launched for the general public yet. Why do you think there's been a general public launch already?
Windows Phone doesn't have a big ecosystem, like BB10. If BlackBerry made another BB10 device and expected a different result, then yeah, no chance, but they're releasing a device with Android, one of the two dominant ecosystems.10-27-15 02:52 AMLike 0 - Yes. Priv is expensive.
But what no one is really focusing on is that while this may be an Android phone, it is not just a vanilla Android Phone. What things like the Device Simulator make clear is that Priv is providing a unique experience. It's not just an android phone with a keyboard. BlackBerry has integrated it's own view of mobile communications into Android. It's not just Touchwiz or something like it that adds no value. BlackBerry is adding real value to the vanilla Android experience. It's something you can't get anywhere else. So, if you want the power that Hub gives you, you're going to have to pay for it. Sorry. Save up. Like all phones, the price will come down over time. But, stop saying this phone is DOA because of the price. You're comparing it to phones that don't offer what Priv does.
Posted via CB1010-27-15 04:34 AMLike 0 -
you're claiming Blackberry is charging for their modified version of Android
Considering Blackberry is likely to run stock with a few modified apps providing the Blackberry experience, then that does not ring true.
Essentially they are doing what Motorola does, and trying to charge twice as much for it.
It has nothing to do with experience or software and everything to do with greed.
Before the high prices were blamed on BB10 costs
Android will not cost them a thing yet the prices still remain high
Blackberry have once again got it wrong (if those prices remain as they are) and are once again fleecing loyal customers for as much as they can get out of themmister2d likes this.10-27-15 06:22 AMLike 1
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