- SilentOS from Blackphone seems to have it, quote from their website:
"Fine tune individual app permissions so that the user decides the level of data access each app receives "
Also, BlackPhone seems to have a Balance alike feature by default (on Priv you would need BES).
So, why should people buy a Priv?
The Priv is still following the outdated BES centered business model of RIM, which failed.
There is no true spirit to protect private information, naming this phone "Priv" is misleading.
Note:
If you can't control the access permissions for apps, you are exposed to potential attacks.
Apple and Google are experiencing serious problems here:
First XcodeGhost
XcodeGhost apps haunting iOS App Store more numerous than first reported | Ars Technica
Next even worse:
Researchers find 256 iOS apps that collect users? personal info | Ars Technica
Google has it too:
Scanner identifies thousands of malicious Android apps on Google Play, other markets - SC Magazine
Quote: "In Google Play, the team found that 30,552 of 401,549 apps were malicious. The researchers said that 400 of the malicious apps had been downloaded more than a million times each, and 2,000 had been downloaded more than 50,000 times each."
Or more recent: Malicious Brain Test App Thwarts Google Play Android Security
Appstores (including BB 10 AppWorld) will never be able to determine long term the purpose of required internet permissions for an app.
An app might connect to a legitimate ad server in the first 6-12 months, it will pass all security tests, and then one day a command in the code will let it connect to a control&command server which in turn let the app start do other things.
There is no protection from this scenario in any appstore.
That's why you want to control the permissons, it's the first defense line for damage control in case the app starts to act malicious.
And that's why you should miss the internet access permission that we already had with BBOS.10-21-15 06:23 AMLike 0 - So the phone isn't even released and properly reviewed and you are already bashing it and doubt it's security level.
Why not close your bb account on this forum and move over to the blackphone forum?
I swear that some people are like sheep to slaughter, they believe all they find over the internet or everything a security company finds. Seems a bit strange that some major issues found in android have been discovered by the same security company, doesn't it?BB_PP likes this.10-21-15 06:43 AMLike 1 -
And I am actually referring to a problem ALL appstores have in common, and other OSes like BB10, iOS or SilentOS are adressing this problem, while it seems that the Priv does not.
Simple story, right?10-21-15 06:55 AMLike 0 - But Android Marshmallow will have app permissions and is coming out soon.
Posted via CB10hannahayek likes this.10-21-15 06:56 AMLike 1 - Where to start first,
Google is adding app permission control with Marshmallow in the same way BB10 can disable app permissions. So Priv may not have it at launch but will when they update to marshmallow (as will all android phones on marshmallow)
Secondly as far as BES and silent circle go, have you actually gone to their website.. most of their security features don't come free on the phone and require subscriptions just like BES. The questions should more be what additional free built in features does blackphone offer that BlackBerry doesn't give free
*-* BBM Channel : Netflix Newsroom C003BA5E3 | facebook.com/NetflixNewsroom*-*10-21-15 06:57 AMLike 0 - Why is it too when these websites say they found X amount of malware apps they never publish the list of apps so people can see if they downloaded them. Some transparency from these firms would be nice
*-* BBM Channel : Netflix Newsroom C003BA5E3 | facebook.com/NetflixNewsroom*-*DJM626 likes this.10-21-15 07:03 AMLike 1 -
However, withouth controlling internet access permission, you privacy lays always in the hands of the developer (and their own security set-up).
Secondly as far as BES and silent circle go, have you actually gone to their website.. most of their security features don't come free on the phone and require subscriptions just like BES. The questions should more be what additional free built in features does blackphone offer that BlackBerry doesn't give free
https://my.blackphone.ch/bp2/spaces/...to_spaces.html10-21-15 07:07 AMLike 0 -
- Okay, so that is just a temporary problem, I understand.
However, withouth controlling internet access permission, you privacy lays always in the hands of the developer (and their own security set-up).
The Balance alike feature "Spaces" I was refering to seems to be free:
https://my.blackphone.ch/bp2/spaces/...to_spaces.html
It would definitely be my backup android if I don't stick with BlackBerry
*-* BBM Channel : Netflix Newsroom C003BA5E3 | facebook.com/NetflixNewsroom*-*10-21-15 07:29 AMLike 0 - What I don't understand is with BlackBerry's focus on Security.... why wasn't the PRIV planned so that it could be launched with Marshmallow?
What would that mean... a Dec launch instead of a Nov launch? Many OEM's are promising updates for their "latest" devices by the end of the year.
But then we don't know how long it would have taken BlackBerry to tweak Android 6.0. It might be a few weeks and they'll release the update, or it might be months before they have Marshmallow ready for the PRIV.JeepBB likes this.10-21-15 07:47 AMLike 1 - What I don't understand is with BlackBerry's focus on Security.... why wasn't the PRIV planned so that it could be launched with Marshmallow?
What would that mean... a Dec launch instead of a Nov launch? Many OEM's are promising updates for their "latest" devices by the end of the year.
But then we don't know how long it would have taken BlackBerry to tweak Android 6.0. It might be a few weeks and they'll release the update, or it might be months before they have Marshmallow ready for the PRIV.
Posted via CB10Dunt Dunt Dunt and Superdupont 2_0 like this.10-21-15 08:02 AMLike 2 - What I don't understand is with BlackBerry's focus on Security.... why wasn't the PRIV planned so that it could be launched with Marshmallow?
What would that mean... a Dec launch instead of a Nov launch? Many OEM's are promising updates for their "latest" devices by the end of the year.
But then we don't know how long it would have taken BlackBerry to tweak Android 6.0. It might be a few weeks and they'll release the update, or it might be months before they have Marshmallow ready for the PRIV.
Waiting for Marshmallow would mean delaying the release of the Priv. BB likely can't wait. BB10 sales are already pitiful and declining, and BB needs the revenue. Hardware still makes up 40% of the numbers, so BB need phone sales.
So the Priv *must* ship as soon as possible, even if that means shipping with Lollipop.
Sent from my iPad using Tapatalk10-21-15 08:13 AMLike 0 -
If I were BB, I'd say nothing because many people wouldn't realise the implications of using Lollipop, and knowing that the world is full of glass half-empty people like me, who would look at such an admission negatively, I guess.
Sent from my iPad using TapatalkDunt Dunt Dunt likes this.10-21-15 08:26 AMLike 1 - I think you've answered your own question.
Waiting for Marshmallow would mean delaying the release of the Priv. BB likely can't wait. BB10 sales are already pitiful and declining, and BB needs the revenue. Hardware still makes up 40% of the numbers, so BB need phone sales.
So the Priv *must* ship as soon as possible, even if that means shipping with Lollipop.
Sent from my iPad using Tapatalk
Answer to the iPhone - rushed out the STORM and bungled the memory specs.
Answer to the iPad - rushed out the PlayBook, half the tablet and half the capabilities (no email?) for the same price as the iPad??
Answer to Android and iOS - slowly rushed out BB10, beta product at best at launch.
Answer to the IM and Social Media Apps - rushed out crossplatfrom BBM and Channels, again a beta product at best at launch (for a year). (and still very poorly reviewed app - yet the "stars" don't reflect the reviews)
By this time next year... they won't have to worry about hardware being such a big part of their business anymore.
Unless their software business collapses on them without the hardware.JeepBB likes this.10-21-15 08:27 AMLike 1 -
Maybe they are still reviewing the changes coming with Marshmallow. I think your guess is right.
That's something I can live with.
Still, I am missing the big differentiator.
What makes the "Priv" more private than the competition?
And the competition includes Blackphone.
JC is aware of that, but BlackBerry is still launching a "You will need BES for everything cool..." smartphone.
I believe BlackPhone offers a better package out of the box, even without the subscriptions.
And it looks like their subscription model is more simple.
And it looks like their terms are more privacy friendly, if you take a look under "What We Promise - Your Privacy"
BlackBerry hasn't learned anything.
I wish them best success with the Priv, honestly, but they seem to live in 2005.
Wait no, BBOS had the internet permission for apps, they must live in times before BBOS.Dunt Dunt Dunt likes this.10-21-15 08:29 AMLike 1 - i think they might have this out of the box even if we havent seen it in action. I think that is part of some of the dtek software maybe. not 100% sure though10-21-15 08:33 AMLike 0
- Assuming they'll upgrade to Marshmallow, then it's only a question of time/priorities.
Maybe they are still reviewing the changes coming with Marshmallow. I think your guess is right.
That's something I can live with.
Still, I am missing the big differentiator.
What makes the "Priv" more private than the competition?
And the competition includes Blackphone.
JC is aware of that, but BlackBerry is still launching a "You will need BES for everything cool..." smartphone.
I believe BlackPhone offers a better package out of the box, even without the subscriptions.
And it looks like their subscription model is more simple.
And it looks like their terms are more privacy friendly, if you take a look under "What We Promise - Your Privacy"
BlackBerry hasn't learned anything.
I wish them best success with the Priv, honestly, but they seem to live in 2005.
Wait no, BBOS had the internet permission for apps, they must live in times before BBOS.
Posted via CB1010-21-15 08:34 AMLike 0 - I know.... it's just that they always seem to be rushing things, and never taking the time to get them right to begin with.
Answer to the iPhone - rushed out the STORM and bungled the memory specs.
Answer to the iPad - rushed out the PlayBook, half the tablet and half the capabilities (no email?) for the same price as the iPad??
Answer to Android and iOS - slowly rushed out BB10, beta product at best at launch.
Answer to the IM and Social Media Apps - rushed out crossplatfrom BBM and Channels, again a beta product at best at launch (for a year). (and still very poorly reviewed app - yet the "stars" don't reflect the reviews)
By this time next year... they won't have to worry about hardware being such a big part of their business anymore.
Unless their software business collapses on them without the hardware.
BB have been painfully slow in realising their "world" has changed, and continues to change. And equally slow in executing their response to those changing conditions. The term "dinosaur" seems kind of apt somehow... And I wonder if they'll go the way of the dinosaurs.
It's all Apple's fault of course. Though unlike many who say that here on CB, I'm not driven by Apple-hatred.
The original iPhone wrecked BB's world, and they didn't respond with anything immediately, and then released the Storm. In contrast, Android pivoted almost immediately to become an iPhone/iOS clone, and fared much better.
The App-centric, consumer-friendly world that the iPhone introduced is still (IMO) passing BB by. They didn't get it when it mattered, and it's too late now. BB under Chen has effectively conceded the battleground and is now focused on Enterprise. He needs the Priv for the revenue, but I doubt it figures in BB's long term future.
I have a suspicion that Chen intended the Priv to be released much later... with Marshmallow, and a fully functioning Hub etc. I'm sure he was determined to not repeat the usual pattern of launching with a half-finished Beta as they've always done... but, I suspect the rapid decline in BB10 sales, and the sluggish growth of his chosen path (software) kind of forced his hand... And the rush to get the Priv out is the result.
I've mentioned it before, but JimB wanted to develop xBBM years ago when BB was king of the hill. MikeL wouldn't hear of it, and BBM remained a BB-exclusive. This was when WhatsApp wasn't even a thought... and that space could have been BB's for the taking... ah, what might have been.
Sent from my iPad using TapatalkDunt Dunt Dunt likes this.10-21-15 08:58 AMLike 1 -
-
-
By all accounts, BB under MikeL was a lesson in how not to lead a high-tech, innovative company. He was autocratic, and seemed to be the only guy in the company who was entitled to "think". It was his way, or the highway from what I've read.
He was definitely an engineering genius. But, I think the developing world brought into being by what Apple were doing, exceeded his imagination. His reaction to the iPhone was apparently disbelief that the device was real!
The recent book (losing the signal) on BB is great reading... sad, in many ways, as it describes how a once great company lost its way, but an interesting read.
Sent from my iPad using Tapatalk10-21-15 09:42 AMLike 0 - Has anybody looked into Turing phone.. it's said to be ultra secure too
*-* BBM Channel : Netflix Newsroom C003BA5E3 | facebook.com/NetflixNewsroom*-*10-21-15 06:17 PMLike 0 -
- Forum
- Android BlackBerry Phones & OS
- BlackBerry Priv
No apps permission control for the Priv?
Similar Threads
-
E reader for playbook
By oldmangeddyboy in forum BlackBerry PlayBookReplies: 29Last Post: 10-29-15, 11:00 AM -
Priv to be sold in India at approx 50K
By Grafic111 in forum BlackBerry PrivReplies: 17Last Post: 10-21-15, 12:25 PM -
Apps from bb10 to android
By james_1980 in forum BlackBerry PrivReplies: 5Last Post: 10-21-15, 10:01 AM -
Android version of Priv?
By Ekrem Gurdal in forum BlackBerry PrivReplies: 3Last Post: 10-21-15, 06:13 AM
LINK TO POST COPIED TO CLIPBOARD