1. joeldf's Avatar

    It's just this ironic thing that BB apps run better on non-BB phones, I mean the most powerful BB out there is the KEY2, running the three year old SD660 (though still doing okay).
    It's weird because I was running the Hub suite on an Amazon Fire HD8 tablet 2018 model. It ran decent enough on it. No overall slowdowns.

    This is a device running a 6 year old Mediatek CPU, and only has 1.5 Gb of ram.

    I recently removed the Hub from the tablet because Cobalt's BlackBerry Manager could no longer connect to Google Play (same issue I had on my phone) and I couldn't get the recent updates. I tried Outlook which Amazon offers in their own store (I do have Google Play sideloaded, but still get apps from Amazon if they are available and get regular updates - and there are some that still do in that store). But, geez, Outlook is a dog on this tablet. It doesn't even stay awake to send notifications of emails. The Hub Inbox never had that problem.

    Now that I'm using the Hub straight from Google Play, I'm going to put it back on my tablet from there.
    06-10-21 09:54 AM
  2. jmorgan456's Avatar
    There’s a lot of things I can do to make Android device “usable” but why should I when I bought the device to use as intended? The selling point, BBAndroid, is why I bought the device. I enjoyed BBOS and wanted that paired with Android ecosystem. The DTEK lineup was a nice improvement.
    I find that ALL andoids require modification. Pretty much you can MAKE and Android do what you want. But always you HAVE to make an android do what you want. If you spent a couple days setting up and debugging, they will do what you want and potentially how you want it. That is the main reason I hate apple stuff - you need to use it their way, period.

    As for modifying the phone to make it more efficient, that just seems to make sense. You can use it one way - it does x, y and z but does other things more slowly. Or you can find another way to do x, y and z and everything else more quickly. There are many options to get where you want to go.

    I prefer HUB. I can see why others choose different mail platforms - but to each their own.
    06-10-21 10:33 AM
  3. Rico4you's Avatar
    In 2021, the PRIV sucks, even more than any similar 2015 spec’d phones. It was BlackBerry Limited first Android device, 5-7 years after the Android OEM space had tremendously matured. I have a FU PRIV that is practically a factory reset device except for CB app like FU Passport SE also with just CB10 app. The PRIV is far slower than anything on my coffee table. Not really a daily capable device. The Passport is faster than PRIV for email, talking and texting. The Android ecosystem is further wasted on the PRIV for most tasks.
    Obviously YOU are not using a PRIV in 2021. I tried running my Passport SE in 2021 and no way...just first of all can't install any of the apps I need while on my PRIV they work perfectly. Now with BlackBerry announced EOL 10OS the Passport RIP basically. While the PRIV just keeps going...all my apps updated via Playstore. Yes I use HUB suite and fine. No issues.
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    Yesterday 02:02 PM
  4. Chuck Finley69's Avatar
    Obviously YOU are not using a PRIV in 2021. I tried running my Passport SE in 2021 and no way...just first of all can't install any of the apps I need while on my PRIV they work perfectly. Now with BlackBerry announced EOL 10OS the Passport RIP basically. While the PRIV just keeps going...all my apps updated via Playstore. Yes I use HUB suite and fine. No issues.
    I’ve attempted using a FU PRIV that has been factory reset. It’s only used on WiFi SIM-less and is slow-motion lagging. It’s to be expected….
    Yesterday 02:29 PM
  5. Rico4you's Avatar
    I’ve attempted using a FU PRIV that has been factory reset. It’s only used on WiFi SIM-less and is slow-motion lagging. It’s to be expected….
    Really? So a PRIV an Android with Marshmallow can't load apps from Playstore? And a Passport ( which I love and have) can load apps with no issues with Android 4.3? Very very very limited and you know it.

    Please let's make sense here. What is expected and is a reality Passport struggles totally to almost a paper weight...yes Wifi SIM-less no other option and soon even worse.

    Let's be realistic.
    Yesterday 03:41 PM
  6. Chuck Finley69's Avatar
    Really? So a PRIV an Android with Marshmallow can't load apps from Playstore? And a Passport ( which I love and have) can load apps with no issues with Android 4.3? Very very very limited and you know it.

    Please let's make sense here. What is expected and is a reality Passport struggles totally to almost a paper weight...yes Wifi SIM-less no other option and soon even worse.

    Let's be realistic.
    Read what I’ve posted. I didn’t load apks on the Passport SE and haven’t for years on my other BB10 devices after I put them away. My original AT&T PRIV replaced my AT&T Passport as one primary device in 2015-2016 or so. I can load apps from GPS but didn’t since I don’t need them for a coffee table device. The only exception on each device is CrackBerry native app on each.

    Regardless, each device has factory installed apps. The Passport runs quicker and is OK for all it’s 2013-2015 BB10 limitations. The PRIV takes forever to do anything with it’s 2014-2016 limitations. Some of it's biggest issues are because of it’s dated BBAndroid which is one year behind it’s competition from back then. The Android updates for it’s apps still arrive in the GPS and take forever to download. The lag is horrible. Can I make some improvements with tweaks? Sure, but to what extent? That’s like taking my 20 year old SUV and think putting in super premium unleaded fuel and octane boost additive will make it run like a 10 year old SUV or new SUV today.
    Yesterday 04:45 PM
  7. Exedorable's Avatar
    Let's be realistic.
    On multiple occasions (weight of a device, support, features, etc) I've found this to be a real challenge. BlackBerry fans, no less, seem to dismiss clear (and almost unique) benefits as if the "market" robbed them of an ability to enjoy or even appreciate them.

    Most things that I use my phone for (sms, email, calls, browsing, bills, calendar, YouT, music, notes, pics, etc) work on both my Priv and KEYᵒⁿᵉ. I can quick reply to messages (straight from notif shade, w/ out opening the app) even on marshmallow. I can't do pic w/ in pic, but find that I *very* rarely ever use this (I've disabled it in most apps on KEYᵒⁿᵉ, which could do it before the iPhone X). Sure there's lag, but every phone lags at times. Sure there's glitches/errors, but I've had interesting bugs/crashes on everything from the Razer phone (one of the earliest to carry more Ram than my pc) to budget moto's all the way up to Samsung flagships. And the obsession w/ "performance" is an odd one, because just how fast (which before very long won't even be that fast) do you need your phone to be? Most likely, unless you're a content creator online, you're not even utilizing 60% of your toolbelt tbh. It's like setting a bar for any car that cuts off below 120mph, or any car w/ less than 300hp, and dismissing anything that doesn't hit above that benchmark (while most people I know, and I'm sure most people you know, don't need to even reach it/want to reach it). Even many that do, rarely access it.

    During the time when I owned a note10 (and 10+) I tried to really explore the feature set that came w/ it: and one of the stats it tracked was notifications. I'd get between 200-500 a day, usually in that range (obvi, lower numbers on my off days). Now of course, some of those operations would be identical - pull down notif shade to see new email, tap on new email, open w/ in gmail app and etc. But for all the times I've had to chat w/ people (especially at work) and actually use my phone for communication, and this may have been who knows let's say 167 times on one particular Friday - that's 167 instances where a key press or a key hold turned into 4 operations through various submenus. Once I got a bit more used to side panels, for some of those operations 4 steps became 3. But that's a difference between doing 167 things vs having to do 501 in the case of me using side panels - or 668 operations on other androids w/ out side panels. That's not the *s m a l l e s t* difference; that's not simply negligible or unnoticeable.

    And many, many (many!) people are in situations similar to mine: for ex, I just ordered a moto g7 plus in case my BlackBerry devices literally stop working mid-day (as happened when ATnT dumped me lol, serious props to T-Mobile) because it was 149 bucks new. Doesn't seem reasonable for me to spend flagship prices for something that turns 100 button presses into 400 swipes, while aggravating me every day, all day long w/ endless typos.
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    Today 01:51 AM
  8. Rico4you's Avatar
    On multiple occasions (weight of a device, support, features, etc) I've found this to be a real challenge. BlackBerry fans, no less, seem to dismiss clear (and almost unique) benefits as if the "market" robbed them of an ability to enjoy or even appreciate them.

    Most things that I use my phone for (sms, email, calls, browsing, bills, calendar, YouT, music, notes, pics, etc) work on both my Priv and KEYᵒⁿᵉ. I can quick reply to messages (straight from notif shade, w/ out opening the app) even on marshmallow. I can't do pic w/ in pic, but find that I *very* rarely ever use this (I've disabled it in most apps on KEYᵒⁿᵉ, which could do it before the iPhone X). Sure there's lag, but every phone lags at times. Sure there's glitches/errors, but I've had interesting bugs/crashes on everything from the Razer phone (one of the earliest to carry more Ram than my pc) to budget moto's all the way up to Samsung flagships. And the obsession w/ "performance" is an odd one, because just how fast (which before very long won't even be that fast) do you need your phone to be? Most likely, unless you're a content creator online, you're not even utilizing 60% of your toolbelt tbh. It's like setting a bar for any car that cuts off below 120mph, or any car w/ less than 300hp, and dismissing anything that doesn't hit above that benchmark (while most people I know, and I'm sure most people you know, don't need to even reach it/want to reach it). Even many that do, rarely access it.

    During the time when I owned a note10 (and 10+) I tried to really explore the feature set that came w/ it: and one of the stats it tracked was notifications. I'd get between 200-500 a day, usually in that range (obvi, lower numbers on my off days). Now of course, some of those operations would be identical - pull down notif shade to see new email, tap on new email, open w/ in gmail app and etc. But for all the times I've had to chat w/ people (especially at work) and actually use my phone for communication, and this may have been who knows let's say 167 times on one particular Friday - that's 167 instances where a key press or a key hold turned into 4 operations through various submenus. Once I got a bit more used to side panels, for some of those operations 4 steps became 3. But that's a difference between doing 167 things vs having to do 501 in the case of me using side panels - or 668 operations on other androids w/ out side panels. That's not the *s m a l l e s t* difference; that's not simply negligible or unnoticeable.

    And many, many (many!) people are in situations similar to mine: for ex, I just ordered a moto g7 plus in case my BlackBerry devices literally stop working mid-day (as happened when ATnT dumped me lol, serious props to T-Mobile) because it was 149 bucks new. Doesn't seem reasonable for me to spend flagship prices for something that turns 100 button presses into 400 swipes, while aggravating me every day, all day long w/ endless typos.
    Totally agree.

    Exactly I use my PRIV on Vodafone ( alongside my KEY 2 ) and PRIV works just fine ( did swap the battery and perfect) . All the apps I have on my PRIV unfortunately can't use longer on a Passport. So yes in 2021 you can use a PRIV perfectly..email, Facebook, IG, LinkedIN, Teams, ClickUP, Telegram, Whatsapp, skype, Tapatalk, Amazon, YouTube, PayPal, SurfShark, Uber...and so much more. All work fine, updated wifi, Vodafone! Yes in June 2021. Love the screen, strong signal, great hands-free! Sound!
    Today 04:30 AM
  9. Rico4you's Avatar
    Read what I’ve posted. I didn’t load apks on the Passport SE and haven’t for years on my other BB10 devices after I put them away. My original AT&T PRIV replaced my AT&T Passport as one primary device in 2015-2016 or so. I can load apps from GPS but didn’t since I don’t need them for a coffee table device. The only exception on each device is CrackBerry native app on each.

    Regardless, each device has factory installed apps. The Passport runs quicker and is OK for all it’s 2013-2015 BB10 limitations. The PRIV takes forever to do anything with it’s 2014-2016 limitations. Some of it's biggest issues are because of it’s dated BBAndroid which is one year behind it’s competition from back then. The Android updates for it’s apps still arrive in the GPS and take forever to download. The lag is horrible. Can I make some improvements with tweaks? Sure, but to what extent? That’s like taking my 20 year old SUV and think putting in super premium unleaded fuel and octane boost additive will make it run like a 10 year old SUV or new SUV today.
    Yes I read what you state...and yes in 2021 you can use a PRIV with all apps on Playstore something you can't even come close with a Passport. This is the the reality.
    I"m running my PRIV right now and works perfectly fine...something that is impossible with my Passport as the apps are NOT supported. That simple.
    Today 08:57 AM
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