[Adam Frix]

Read this again.... Virtual keyboard bud. Take a closer look at how the person is holding the phone, looks like he has to hold it in the middle to keep the darn thing from flipping front wards

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Ah. Sorry. I misread you. It appears you're saying that what makes it a BB is BB OS 10 with the virtual keyboard, and the gestures available on that.

I saw the virtual keyboard, if you want it, doing all the things the vkb can do on OS 10. I also saw the screen slide up to reveal the pkb. I also saw the user use OS 10 gestures while his fingers were physically on the pkb, because the pkb is also a trackpad as your fingers fly over it.

Isn't that the best of both worlds?

I understand what you're saying about balance; maybe the pkb won't be useful one-handed because it's so low down on the slab. I dunno; the screen is so thin, is it light enough such that sliding it up significantly changes the center of balance of the device? Or is holding it with the screen slid up the same experience as holding it with the screen slid down--same center of balance?

[RyanGermann]

I would love to get my hands on the Slider running Android and do a feature-by-feature comparison specifically related to one handed operation.

BBOS is the best for one handed operation, BB10 is a distant second, but iOS isn't too far off with its 'reachability' feature. Android? Fugehduhbowdit.

If one handed operation is important to you, I think you are going to be disappointed with Android on BlackBerry hardware, but time will tell.

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[skibnik]

That is the QUESTION THAT MATTERS. Does BlackBerry 's security excludes Google massive data mining?

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You do realize BB10 uses analytics and "data mines" like everyone else does. Just read the eula for BBM on BB10.

[Adam Frix]

Samsung gave android a one handed interface.

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[fadi.alsaidi]

Samsung gave android a one handed interface.

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!!!! How? I am using the S6 and can't use it in one hand.

[medic22003]

Agreed. If I'd wanted an Android, I wouldn't have gotten a BlackBerry in the first place.

For me the issue is really Google's own spyware. Does Priv "security" extend to being secure against Google itself?

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Agreed

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[Adam Frix]

!!!! How? I am using the S6 and can't use it in one hand.

Don't know about the Galaxy S6, but:

How to shrink the Galaxy Note 3's display into a tiny window | Android Central

[Sarek1701]

I love my Passport but...

Priv is the evolution (hopefully salvation) of BB. I've come from the very beginning to BB10, now to Android.

My biggest question/concern/confusion is why such a debate over 'privacy?' What is everyone doing online that terrifies them about Google or Bing or any government agency watching what they do over their phone?!

Maybe I'm just ignorant, but watch my conversations all you want. I hope I'm entertaining.

Edit: Oh, I've just noticed that they went ahead and removed the signature lines. I'm still using a Passport, 10.3.2.2639, coming from a RIM 957. Hope to be using a Priv soon!

[fadi.alsaidi]

Don't know about the Galaxy S6, but:

How to shrink the Galaxy Note 3's display into a tiny window | Android Central

Yeah that's a Note thing. Thanks for the link. I still think it's very odd that despite the trend of big screens, Android never evolved to a better one handed operation. The best thing android did was bring the swipe from the side menu but then all the items on those menus starts from the top. Also, the notification shade is a swipe from the top. I really hope the android Hub on the Priv integrate all notification even if it doesn't integrate like the BB10 hub. That should solve at notification shade problem

[guygardner73]

I love my Passport but...

Priv is the evolution (hopefully salvation) of BB. I've come from the very beginning to BB10, now to Android.

My biggest question/concern/confusion is why such a debate over 'privacy?' What is everyone doing online that terrifies them about Google or Bing or any government agency watching what they do over their phone?!

Maybe I'm just ignorant, but watch my conversations all you want. I hope I'm entertaining.

Edit: Oh, I've just noticed that they went ahead and removed the signature lines. I'm still using a Passport, 10.3.2.2639, coming from a RIM 957. Hope to be using a Priv soon!

You have a right to your privacy which you may or may not attach importance to. What is not acceptable is for another person or persons with no more rights than you, to devise ways of snooping through your stuff. I take it you wouldn't consider doing it to someone else? I thought not. So why is not a big deal when someone does it to you? Are you not the equal of any of these people in the eyes of the law? People have fought all across the world for equal rights. People of different colours, creeds, sexual orientation, gender and different appearance.

When a person or a corporation decides it has the 'right' to invade your privacy and you don't have the 'right' to do the same to them, the concept of equality goes straight out the window and where I come from, that's frowned upon.

Then they sell whatever they find to the highest bidder! WTF!

They get away with it simply because of the EULA. When you hit the ' I agree' button without reading the damn thing, you're basically giving away whatever they want you to. They make it so wordy that you don't want to read it anyway and you just hit that button every time.

I think it should be made illegal for any organisation to be allowed to even ask you to give up any of your rights without a very good reason. And 'coz we wanna sell stuff' or 'we wanna sell people's private info' is not a good reason at all in my opinion.

Or you could just accept it, and accept the fact that you are not equal and that you are no longer a private citizen.

Your call.

PassportSQW100-1/10.3.2.2639 O2 UK

[Jasper-Ng]

Seeing the video of the Priv in action and watching the person using two hands to type and the left hand traveling a mile to touch something on the top left of the screen only adds to the frustration of why many don't like android.

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Wow is right.... How do you figure that? Gesture swipe to the right and viola.

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Sure. Swipe to the right and viola you can reach the top left of any app on Z30. No more "hand traveling a mile"! Okay bro.

[adonesc]

Nah. It's still got the Google Retardroid stench. Had this been a BB10 / Android hybrid employing a true QNX based architecture...that would have been interesting.

As such...it's a nope for me!

On the other hand, regardless what I think of the DingleBerry Perv, I hope it works out well for BlackBerry and that this device sells very well and serves to make BlackBerry's hardware division profitable once again.

PS Perhaps an all-touch version would be advisable also...

Cartman says: Screw you guys I'm going home!

[Adam Frix]

Feel free to ignore the pkb and treat the Priv as an all-touch version.

You know, I spent years with BB from the early days of BB, 7 and earlier. By the time BB10 came about I had moved on; I did buy a Z10 used and didn't like it so I put it away (although I've now got it back out now to play with). Frankly, I always thought BB10 was goofy, although workable, when compared to the absolute elegance of the older BBs. Man, I could fly through that interface with the hard buttons. And they did everything I needed in life, and did it SUPERBLY well.

I even remember when the first BB7 touch screen came about; I really, REALLY wanted a way to turn it off. I had absolutely no use for it, and it only got in my way when handling the device. I hated having to be careful how to hold it, without touching the screen.

So all of you who think BB is all about BB10, and hate the change going to Priv, now you know how I felt about the onset of BB10 once I gave it a try. I really think BB10 sucks wind. BB10 isn't BB at all.

But now that I can have some of the enterprise functionality of BB that Android and iOS totally lack, along with the pkb, and built on an Android platform that I know works, I'm willing to spend hard money to go back and try it out.

[Toodeurep]

From someone who has had Android and Blackberry, you will get used to it and begin to appreciate what all you can do on Android. For all of its benefits, BB 10 was constricted and limited. On Android, the sky is the limit on what you can do.

What you really mean is for .1% of people, the sky is the limit for what you can do but for the other 99.9% you have to dig around and find an app that has support from a reputable provider.

[mundo472]

It IS most definitely, a BlackBerry phone. It is NOT, most definitely, a BlackBerry OS.

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[medic22003]

Outstanding post sir

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[DrBoomBotz]

With the hub and BlackBerry features, why can't we look at this as a brand new BlackBerry OS for their brand new phone? Talk about an OS update lol

From the video I saw the OS is seamless and very smooth. I wasn't a fan but it's growing on me huge. Keyboard and Hub... I'm sold

Ppl are protective over BBOS, this is an upgrade I feel. Yes?

Nope its Android.
Geez... people will say any damn thing.

[JeepBB]

Nope its Android.
Geez... people will say any damn thing.

Shhhuuuusssh! People "rationalising" here!

If all it takes to buy a Priv is to pretend that because it says BlackBerry on the back, it's running a BlackBerry OS... and in the process convince themselves that they aren't buying the hated Android, so be it.

Chen will just be pleased the Priv was bought, regardless of any tortuous internal justifications that occurred.

[Adam Frix]

Shhhuuuusssh! People "rationalising" here!

If all it takes to buy a Priv is to pretend that because it says BlackBerry on the back, it's running a BlackBerry OS... and in the process convince themselves that they aren't buying the hated Android, so be it.

Chen will just be pleased the Priv was bought, regardless of any tortuous internal justifications that occurred.

Let's see how many people care about BlackBerry OS (nuts and bolts under the hood) vs BlackBerry functionality on a sustainable high end platform that allows them also to participate in the real world.

If you live your life around a phone OS instead of having the device serve you as you live your life, I understand where you're coming from.

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[mrlahjr]

You have a right to your privacy which you may or may not attach importance to. What is not acceptable is for another person or persons with no more rights than you, to devise ways of snooping through your stuff. I take it you wouldn't consider doing it to someone else? I thought not. So why is not a big deal when someone does it to you? Are you not the equal of any of these people in the eyes of the law? People have fought all across the world for equal rights. People of different colours, creeds, sexual orientation, gender and different appearance.

When a person or a corporation decides it has the 'right' to invade your privacy and you don't have the 'right' to do the same to them, the concept of equality goes straight out the window and where I come from, that's frowned upon.

Then they sell whatever they find to the highest bidder! WTF!

They get away with it simply because of the EULA. When you hit the ' I agree' button without reading the damn thing, you're basically giving away whatever they want you to. They make it so wordy that you don't want to read it anyway and you just hit that button every time.

I think it should be made illegal for any organisation to be allowed to even ask you to give up any of your rights without a very good reason. And 'coz we wanna sell stuff' or 'we wanna sell people's private info' is not a good reason at all in my opinion.

Or you could just accept it, and accept the fact that you are not equal and that you are no longer a private citizen.

Your call.

PassportSQW100-1/10.3.2.2639 O2 UK

+1

I think Mr Snowden would think so too.

TMO  Z10,STL100-3/10.3.2.2789

[extisis]

It's been nearly 3 years. It's clear the market has rejected BB10 and so have app developers. BB10 is done and dusted, it's had its run.

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the market never even knew about BB10. it was never marketed past "emerging" markets. but yes it is done, you can let out a sigh of relief finally. oh wait you're already using android.

[velkod]

Hahahaha ^^

[JeepBB]

the market never even knew about BB10. it was never marketed past "emerging" markets. but yes it is done, you can let out a sigh of relief finally. oh wait you're already using android.

This is revisionist nonsense.

BB10 was marketed extensively and heavily here in the UK. All the carriers offered the Z10, lots of (generally favourable) press reviews, marketing events (Selfridges), and so on. I doubt there was anyone, who was even slightly interested in tech, in the UK who didn't know that BB had a new OS and a new product line in phones.

The marketing *was* there; the sales weren't.

But we agree, BB10 is definitely done.



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[extisis]

This is revisionist nonsense.

BB10 was marketed extensively and heavily here in the UK. All the carriers offered the Z10, lots of (generally favourable) press reviews, marketing events (Selfridges), and so on. I doubt there was anyone, who was even slightly interested in tech, in the UK who didn't know that BB had a new OS and a new product line in phones.

The marketing *was* there; the sales weren't.

But we agree, BB10 is definitely done.



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you're linking what i said to Marxian socialism? ok...... let me rephrase so it's not so extreme in your eyes.

it wasn't marketed in the biggest market, USA. the total opposite of what you said happened here. people don't think BBRY even exists- when they see my Z30 they're dumbfounded. doesn't matter now though.

[guygardner73]

This is revisionist nonsense.

BB10 was marketed extensively and heavily here in the UK. All the carriers offered the Z10, lots of (generally favourable) press reviews, marketing events (Selfridges), and so on. I doubt there was anyone, who was even slightly interested in tech, in the UK who didn't know that BB had a new OS and a new product line in phones.

The marketing *was* there; the sales weren't.

But we agree, BB10 is definitely done.



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It certainly wasn't marketed extensively and most people did not understand that BlackBerry had a new OS. Most people also did not know that data was no longer compressed and no longer needed BIS. Even on the Android forums there's queries about whether the Priv uses BIS or not and with the announcement of the Priv on FB by CPW, there's too many people saying "I thought BlackBerry went bust". Also very little in store presence.

PassportSQW100-1/10.3.2.2639 O2 UK