Interesting CNET Article on BlackBerry's Relationship With Android
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Show me any phone, Android or iPhone that offers all the specs and OS functionality that Priv does? (excluding fingerprint scanner). Can you?
BlackBerry Priv!!MO3iusONE likes this.11-03-15 08:01 PMLike 1 - It seems Chen isn't the one who wanted to kill BlackBerry 10 from Day one, it was Louis. Sounds like he setup the passport and classic to fail so that he could make his android phone and Chen finally gave in because what other choice did he have at that point?
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I think the burden of proof should be on those who think that Louks DIDN'T set up BB10 to fail. As head of devices, doing nothing to ensure SUCCESS is causing failure. If the status of BB10 is any indication, the Passport and Classic did fail, and there is no evidence he did a single thing to prevent that from happening.
Cue the chorus of "He's a VP at a multi-billion dollar publicly-traded company. of COURSE he was doing his job!" conjecture.11-03-15 08:27 PMLike 0 - Can anyone put a finger on what Louks might have done for BB10 devices to NOT fail, if he was angling to go Android from day 1? Absence at launch events? He's the head of devices. Why put the BB10 sticker on the Slider unless he's scheming (if they had no intention of putting BB10 on the Slider, which is obvious in retrospect).
I think the burden of proof should be on those who think that Louks DIDN'T set up BB10 to fail. As head of devices, doing nothing to ensure SUCCESS is causing failure. If the status of BB10 is any indication, the Passport and Classic did fail, and there is no evidence he did a single thing to prevent that from happening.
Cue the chorus of "He's a VP at a multi-billion dollar publicly-traded company. of COURSE he was doing his job!" conjecture.
Maybe he actually was thinking abt Android powered device but saying all Passport and Classic were only pawns, without solid proof, is just silly.
Posted via CB10MO3iusONE likes this.11-03-15 09:00 PMLike 1 -
- I think the burden of proof should be on those who think that Louks DIDN'T set up BB10 to fail. As head of devices, doing nothing to ensure SUCCESS is causing failure. If the status of BB10 is any indication, the Passport and Classic did fail, and there is no evidence he did a single thing to prevent that from happening.
Evidence. It's a thing.11-04-15 10:13 AMLike 0 - It seems Chen isn't the one who wanted to kill BlackBerry 10 from Day one, it was Louis. Sounds like he setup the passport and classic to fail so that he could make his android phone and Chen finally gave in because what other choice did he have at that point?
Posted via BlackBerry Passport Silver EditionSome brilliant character posted this a while back. The burden of proof is always on the person making the claim to establish that claim. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Philos...urden_of_proof
Evidence. It's a thing.
The evidence is the sales of BB10 devices, with the handwavy "it's solely because of lack of apps" conjecture (i.e. that there was ABSOLUTELY NO WAY to make BB10 devices successful without apps, even as a niche player, 10 million device sales a year). Conjecture.
If my landlord doesn't maintain the property and I suffer an injury because of this neglect, his LACK of action, PLUS the evidence of the effect of that lack of action (poorly maintained property) is my evidence.
YOUR evidence will be "Louks did everything he could", or (in the face of millions of BB10 users that there aren't millions MORE that would have purchased BB10 devices) that every single possible BB10 device sale has been made, and there could be no more, and there could not be 10 million device sales per year under any circumstance. There IS no evidence that Louks took sufficient action to sustain BB10. There is plenty of evidence that he missed device launches and never spoke favourably in public of BB10. And the marketing. For pete's sake the MARKETING. For years CrackBerry members have been puzzled by the what even a layperson would call the inexplicable approach to BB10 device marketing.
If you have some evidence to show that Louks DID do his best to sustain BB10, bring it. Of course, that evidence doesn't exist, because he didn't do much of anything, and the C|Net article just makes his pro-Android strategy clear. That's more evidence for my assertions, by the way.crackberry_geek likes this.11-04-15 10:48 AMLike 1 - If you have some evidence to show that Louks DID do his best to sustain BB10, bring it. Of course, that evidence doesn't exist, because he didn't do much of anything, and the C|Net article just makes his pro-Android strategy clear. That's more evidence for my assertions, by the way.
Forget tech sites and instagram - how would a normal person know the Priv is launching?
And if the answer is - "well its the same approach as last time?"
Is that actually evidence of preference for one or the other or just actually evidence of a pattern of poor planning regardless of OSRyanGermann likes this.11-04-15 11:02 AMLike 1 - I am curious - using that yardstick - where is the evidence that they are doing their best to launch the Priv - the search traffic for it is actually lower than the Passport.
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Is that actually evidence of preference for one or the other or just actually evidence of a pattern of poor planning regardless of OS
I'm curious about one thing, after the so-called launch and the device has (hopefully for BlackBerry) hit its stride in the marketplace: will they be able to determine, somehow, if the "app gap" really was the important factor. There's a lot of conjecture that the app gap was the ONLY significant factor that negatively affected handset sales, and Android was the answer to that problem. Many (myself included) don't see the app gap as the only significant factor or even the MOST significant factor.
Suppose that they do sell 10 million Privs. If the "app gap" was the most important factor, I would expect 10 million downloads of:
- snapchat
- banking apps
- alternative web browsers
- games not available or playable on BB10
If for example only 500,000 people download SnapChat or Instagram for Android onto Priv devices, doesn't the "app gap" rationale for going android kind-of fall apart? If we focus solely on high-profile apps otherwise unavailable on BB10 devices (excluding using Cobalt's workaround, sorry :-( ).
It's not going to be a hugely informative metric, but it will be interesting to know that Priv users supposedly only staying away from BlackBerry solely because of the App Gap don't even download many apps, or don't download apps that weren't already available on BB10 or via Amazon app store... that would tell me the form factor (full 16 x 9 high res screen WITH BB PKB) is the main reason why they purchased the device, not for Android or Google Mobile Services in and of themselves.
...which begs the question: would a properly marketed BB10 version of the Slider have had almost equal appeal? Apps will tell...cgk likes this.11-04-15 11:11 AMLike 1 - Well the App gap is why they wouldn't buy a BB10 device - it doesn't actually tell us anything about an android device because they all have those. All the presence of apps allow is for consumers to ignore that factor in selection - so it does become about hardware, price and awareness.Tre Lawrence likes this.11-04-15 11:14 AMLike 1
- It seems Chen isn't the one who wanted to kill BlackBerry 10 from Day one, it was Louis [sic]. Sounds like he setup the passport and classic to fail so that he could make his android phone and Chen finally gave in because what other choice did he have at that point?
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I see evidence in the CNET article that either Louks or a group of people at BlackBerry had hoped to create an android handset for some time ("Android, in our mind, was a longtime coming.") and that Louks convinced Chen that he could do so securely.
I see evidence that Louks did not show up to press events and launches, one of which was immediately after he was hired, and another when he was ill.
Is there anything else? Because that evidence does not prove a conspiracy to sink BB10 and leave Chen with no choice but to go forward with the android project. The evidence does fit the arc of the conspiracy story, but it doesn't prove all of it's elements.
So the original claim is unproven, and the burden of proof remains with the people making it.11-04-15 06:18 PMLike 0 - Tre LawrenceBetween RealitiesThere will always be folks who will think BB10 was sabotaged.
As WP shows, a huge budget and marketing scheme doesn't guarantee success. If we're gonna be honest, it should have been clear to BBRY that BB10 was a losing hand fiscally not long after its debut.
Developing a contingency plan makes sense.anon(8063781) and JeepBB like this.11-04-15 07:57 PMLike 2 - So perhaps it was Louks and not Chen, but still I called it close enough:
http://forums.crackberry.com/blackbe.../#post12027994
When you stop leading with emotion and "what I want BlackBerry to do" it is clear this has been their plan for a couple of years.
We shall see if lack of success was due to lack of pre-installed Google playstore, or too much security and privacy for the masses, or the tarnished BlackBerry name.
If the latter, Priv will just speed up the demise.11-04-15 10:04 PMLike 0 - Can anyone put a finger on what Louks might have done for BB10 devices to NOT fail, if he was angling to go Android from day 1? Absence at launch events? He's the head of devices. Why put the BB10 sticker on the Slider unless he's scheming (if they had no intention of putting BB10 on the Slider, which is obvious in retrospect).
I think the burden of proof should be on those who think that Louks DIDN'T set up BB10 to fail. As head of devices, doing nothing to ensure SUCCESS is causing failure. If the status of BB10 is any indication, the Passport and Classic did fail, and there is no evidence he did a single thing to prevent that from happening.
Cue the chorus of "He's a VP at a multi-billion dollar publicly-traded company. of COURSE he was doing his job!" conjecture.
You could not order a Passport after the first day from ShopBlackBerry and there was no US carrier carrying it.
Compare that with the situation now regarding the Priv which few want to order, most carriers are on board from day one and Louks has "been travelling for the past two years to promote it."
How is that not promoting android and ignoring the Passport from the head of devices?
How is that not sabotaging the Bb10 phones?
All they want is to acquire software companies to grow their software customer base and they trade off their own customers to Google for a goal that has not been revealed yet.
Phones are temporarily in the picture just to ensure the transition.ssbtech likes this.11-04-15 10:25 PMLike 1 - The author of the CNET article made me draw the inference that the author believed Loucks wanted the classic and passport to fail, almost with spite, the author talks about how Louks skipped both the passport and classic launch events.
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