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Posted via Priv11-14-15 11:48 AMLike 0 -
Stop being a biased pip... The Classic and Priv have the exact same size keyboard, they are both aprox 6.9cm wide, measured with a ruller, not a guess-meter... Better? maybe... "bigger not even close"?... not at all.
I'm sorry but you start to look like someone that created a fake account just to spam BS in the forumQuorist likes this.11-14-15 11:48 AMLike 1 - There's nothing wrong about criticizing Blackberry, the problem is not doing proper evaluations (like OP), and then start complaining.
It's no surprise that those Demo units get beaten pretty badly by everybody, it's usual to see faulty ones. You also don't need an IT qualification to understand that the software of the Demo Priv in question wasn't working properly and a "normal" good running device should not have the issues OP experienced.
How about having an opinion of a proper working device? sounds like a good idea to me right?
Posted via the CrackBerry App for AndroidElephant_Canyon and JeepBB like this.11-14-15 11:54 AMLike 2 - "way better and bigger not even close"
Stop being a biased pip... The Classic and Priv have the exact same size keyboard, they are both aprox 6.9cm wide, measured with a ruller, not a guess-meter... Better? maybe... "bigger not even close"?... not at all.
I'm sorry but you start to look like someone that created a fake account just to spam BS in the forum
Posted via the CrackBerry App for Android11-14-15 11:59 AMLike 0 - Proper evaluations are just like those made by an average consumer going into a store to test a device and noticing build quality issues and keyboard sizing. You don't define how I or any one else evaluates a device. It sounds like you want someone to have the same opinion you do but that is not the way this world works.
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If the Classic's keyboard measures 6.9cm, and the priv mesures 6.9cm (wich both do), it's a fact, it's like maths, it's what it is, and you're not entitled to have an opinion on it because it can't change from person to person.
maybe the priv feels smaller than the classic because it's thinner and has the screen "blocking" in top, that's a valid reason. But it isn't smaller in efective size.11-14-15 12:02 PMLike 0 -
BlackBerry Priv with CrackBerry App for Android11-14-15 12:04 PMLike 0 - Yes, they have the same size, 6.9cm wide keyboard for both priv and classic. The Passport is 8.2cm and Q10 6.4cm for context.... deal with it, my ruller didn't shrink from phone to phone, I measured all 4 phones before for another thread.11-14-15 12:05 PMLike 0
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Posted via the CrackBerry App for Android11-14-15 12:16 PMLike 0 -
Also the keys on the classic are only a bit taller, wich is irrelevant aswell, because the typos you do on PKB are made in the Horizontal axis, not the vertical one. That's why they have the "frets" to add separation between the 4 rows of keys, wich both priv and classic have. You never misclick keys from one row to another, you only misclick to the keys that are on the horizontal side of each other.
The keys in the passport are as tall as they are in the classic, yet, the passport is less likely you press 2 keys at same time because keys are much wider than classic. Vertical size isn't important because you have the frets. Since you don't have horizontal frets, the lateral key size is what matters for acuracy
Also in the vertical axis you only have 3 positions where your thmbs will be wich is much easier to judge the spacign when typing. in the horizontal axis, you have 10 keys wich you have to judge their relative position wich is hard than just 311-14-15 12:26 PMLike 0 - travel is irrelevant for the "size" argument.
Also the keys on the classic are only a bit taller, wich is irrelevant aswell, because the typos you do on PKB are made in the Horizontal axis, not the vertical one. That's why they have the "frets" to add separation between the 4 rows of keys, wich both priv and classic have. You never misclick keys from one row to another, you only misclick to the keys that are on the horizontal side of each other.
The keys in the passport are as tall as they are in the classic, yet, the passport is less likely you press 2 keys at same time because keys are much wider than classic. Vertical size isn't important because you have the frets. Since you don't have horizontal frets, the lateral key size is what matters for acuracy
To sum it up, the difference in how tall the keys are won't affect the acuracy of typing.
Posted via the CrackBerry App for Android11-14-15 12:30 PMLike 0 -
Yes, tactile feedback and key travel are relevant for typing, very relevant... but are independent of the key size wich was what we were talking about.
The fact is that the keyboard is as wide, wich doesn't mean it's as good or worse, that's a different subject. The thickness of the device does change the feel of typing11-14-15 12:34 PMLike 0 -
Even with the passport in which the keys are everything except cramped I spent a good week to get use writing correctly with it.
Sent from my BlackBerry Passport11-14-15 12:36 PMLike 0 - Incorrect. Key size is three dimensional not just width but height and travel. We do not live in 2d we experiance things in multi dimensions of feel. So yes size of a keyboard included the height also and is what a good designer incorporates when planning a new product of any kind.
Posted via the CrackBerry App for Android11-14-15 12:43 PMLike 0 - Just wanted to check back in after picking up my second Priv today. Pleased to say the build quality with this one is A LOT better. Back panel no longer creaks and pops away from the chassis, and all keys are fine. Handset is still getting incredibly warm while setting up, but I'm super pleased with the phone itself now. If BlackBerry can fix the other problems I noted with software updates, then I'm sure this will be a terrific smartphone.11-14-15 01:03 PMLike 0
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Any consumer walking in to an AT&T store can figure this out in a second. You may be able to get 'used' to the Priv keyboard (I can't) but it's one of the worst PKB's Blackberry has ever put together and I think it's an enormous miss for Blackberry's comeback phone.
As Ars Technica noted yesterday in their full review "This device isn't worth $700. The tiny keyboard is cramped, flat, and unpleasant to type on. A phone with an awful hardware keyboard? Nope, not buying that at any price."
Elephant_Canyon and JeepBB like this.11-14-15 01:15 PMLike 2 - Thanks for posting this. I fear those who think the Priv has the same size keys as the classic will just ignore the truth. It's like they live in a bubble of denial.
Posted via the CrackBerry App for AndroidTechno-guy and Doggerz like this.11-14-15 01:27 PMLike 2 - I went to the AT&T in Portland OR today in an attempt to test out the Priv. To my surprise they had 3 in stock but of course I wanted to test it out before I dropped 760 bucks. First impressions were good from just the physical appearance but it was turned off so I powered it on and waited for the boot up which seemed pretty quick. I was eager to test the physical keyboard as this was my main reason for wanting the priv. After first sliding out the keyboard I noticed the keys felt a bit cramped but also knew it would take time to get used to the keyboard. Not sure if other people had this issue but the screen was flickering. Maybe it was a bad model but something was off. I attempted to use the keyboard despite the flickering and guage the accuracy of the keyboard vs my s6 edge plus. I unfortunately was not impressed and although I am sure it was a bad model the physical keyboard felt way to cramped to be considered a replacement for my current phone. I am afraid this is going to be the last phone we see from blackberry. Also believe there is a lack of good quality control from blackberry since this was a barely used demo unit. Maybe another company will reinvent the physical kwyboard.
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The Priv needed to standout though, and what better way than to mix the most popular OS with the most beloved BB feature, Physical KB.
You know what would be great? Horizontal PKB phones like the HTC TyTN, Xperia X1, Motorola Droid/Milestone etc... But with 5.7inch to 6.0inch displays. I think a Horizontal PKB on my Note 4 would be awesome.
I hope BB have a beastly Horizontal PKB phone in the works with top specs11-14-15 01:49 PMLike 0 - With all due respect, you are taking the width of the keyboards and acting like that makes them the same 'size'. Width of the keyboard is not reflective of the size of the keys. The KEYS on the Priv are considerably smaller than the Classic (which I own). They are short and squished and cramped and uncomfortable. It's not even slightly close. And, there are zero frets on the Priv keys compounding their cramped feeling.
Any consumer walking in to an AT&T store can figure this out in a second. You may be able to get 'used' to the Priv keyboard (I can't) but it's one of the worst PKB's Blackberry has ever put together and I think it's an enormous miss for Blackberry's comeback phone.
As Ars Technica noted yesterday in their full review "This device isn't worth $700. The tiny keyboard is cramped, flat, and unpleasant to type on. A phone with an awful hardware keyboard? Nope, not buying that at any price."
If you ignore the fact that the classic is more confortable than the priv to type, you will be able to tell that in terms of acuracy they are pretty much even.
also important to read what I wrote before:
Also the keys on the classic are only a bit taller, wich is irrelevant aswell, because the typos you do on PKB are made in the Horizontal axis, not the vertical one. That's why they have the "frets" to add separation between the 4 rows of keys, wich both priv and classic have. You never misclick keys from one row to another, you only misclick to the keys that are on the horizontal side of each other.
The keys in the passport are as tall as they are in the classic, yet, the passport is less likely you press 2 keys at same time because keys are much wider than classic. Vertical size isn't important because you have the frets. Since you don't have horizontal frets, the lateral key size is what matters for acuracy
Also in the vertical axis you only have 3 positions where your thmbs will be wich is much easier to judge the spacign when typing. in the horizontal axis, you have 10 keys wich you have to judge their relative position wich is hard than just 311-14-15 02:08 PMLike 0 - Still better than creating accounts to spam negative propaganda "foreign" forums. You don't even own a blackberry so what do you know?11-14-15 02:11 PMLike 0
- So you should only post here if you own a blackberry? Then this should be a private forum. Who is trolling who?
Posted via the CrackBerry App for Android11-14-15 03:33 PMLike 0 -
- With all due respect, you are taking the width of the keyboards and acting like that makes them the same 'size'. Width of the keyboard is not reflective of the size of the keys. The KEYS on the Priv are considerably smaller than the Classic (which I own). They are short and squished and cramped and uncomfortable. It's not even slightly close. And, there are zero frets on the Priv keys compounding their cramped feeling.
Any consumer walking in to an AT&T store can figure this out in a second. You may be able to get 'used' to the Priv keyboard (I can't) but it's one of the worst PKB's Blackberry has ever put together and I think it's an enormous miss for Blackberry's comeback phone.
As Ars Technica noted yesterday in their full review "This device isn't worth $700. The tiny keyboard is cramped, flat, and unpleasant to type on. A phone with an awful hardware keyboard? Nope, not buying that at any price."
11-14-15 03:55 PMLike 0
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