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- Lol at the noobs saying Chen's device sales are worse than his predecessor's.
BlackBerry released the Z10 and Q10 riding on an already declining public perception and shrinking user-base.
Both devices got slammed by critics due to the incomplete 10.0 OS at the time, and of course the Q10 missing the tool-belt.
The Z30 was a superior device at the time, much better than the 2 phones before it - but sold less.
It's just been a downward trend that Chen has been controlling, but I wouldn't blame him for the poor sales of the Passport - which received tons and tons of hype and received great reviews by all the major youtube reviewers. Nor the Classic which is considered the best BlackBerry to date by critics for die-hards.
Both the Passport and Classic are superior products to the Z10 and Q10 - they didn't sell because BlackBerry is dying and whatever momentum they had in 2013 is even less today.
#qwerty #glassweave #darkhorse07-16-15 05:58 PMLike 0 - Lol at the noobs saying Chen's device sales are worse than his predecessor's.
BlackBerry released the Z10 and Q10 riding on an already declining public perception and shrinking user-base.
Both devices got slammed by critics due to the incomplete 10.0 OS at the time, and of course the Q10 missing the tool-belt.
The Z30 was a superior device at the time, much better than the 2 phones before it - but sold less.
It's just been a downward trend that Chen has been controlling, but I wouldn't blame him for the poor sales of the Passport - which received tons and tons of hype and received great reviews by all the major youtube reviewers. Nor the Classic which is considered the best BlackBerry to date by critics for die-hards.
Both the Passport and Classic are superior products to the Z10 and Q10 - they didn't sell because BlackBerry is dying and whatever momentum they had in 2013 is even less today.
#qwerty #glassweave #darkhorse
Man, were the PKB fans happy about that call. The Z50 fans abhorred it. It turns out that pretty much nobody wants a PKB phone. Well, any moron a who had seen PKBs disappear from the smartphone universe could�ve told you that. In fact, it was discussed repeatedly on this forum. But the PKB fans assured us that we were wrong about the viability of the PKB smartphone.
�Shortcuts!� they said. �Better typing experience!�
But nobody wanted the Passports. A flagship that doesn�t sell is not contributing enough to the goal, especially for a company in BlackBerry's position! Chen had the authority to make a different call. He didn�t.KR2013 and MarsupilamiX like this.07-17-15 12:39 AMLike 2 - I love my Passport.
Here is the thing, it didn't matter what device the company released, they weren't going to sell because of the name on it.
Now, I agree that it would have been a good idea to release a high end all tough alongside the Passport.
However, what the Passport did, for better or worse was bring some attention back to the brand, which is what they need.
If they go android, forget it, not buying another BlackBerry. But while BB10 is around, I'll stick with it.
Work Wide and Prosper07-17-15 01:04 AMLike 0 -
Posted via CB1007-17-15 01:27 AMLike 0 - Let's talk about the Passport and what a stupid, stupid choice it was. It�s 2014. BlackBerry was and is absolutely desperate for device sales. Its developers are forced to leave for other platforms due to low BB10 marketshare, which can only be improved by improved device sales. Revenues from device sales, key to BlackBerry's financial health, are falling at alarming rates. BlackBerry is only going to launch one flagship product all year. Will it be a flagship all-touch device, like every other top-selling smartphone manufacturer? Oh no, that would make way too much sense. Chen decides to go with the Passport, a phone with looks that only a mother could love.
Man, were the PKB fans happy about that call. The Z50 fans abhorred it. It turns out that pretty much nobody wants a PKB phone. Well, any moron a who had seen PKBs disappear from the smartphone universe could�ve told you that. In fact, it was discussed repeatedly on this forum. But the PKB fans assured us that we were wrong about the viability of the PKB smartphone.
�Shortcuts!� they said. �Better typing experience!�
But nobody wanted the Passports. A flagship that doesn�t sell is not contributing enough to the goal, especially for a company in BlackBerry's position! Chen had the authority to make a different call. He didn�t.
It's the OS.. I know the bunch of you love your blackberry but people coming from iPhone or Android devices have a hard time giving blackberry a chance.. Well at least for me it was like this.
Sent from my SAMSUNG-SM-N910A using Tapatalk07-17-15 01:56 AMLike 0 -
In the U.S., it's common for carriers to offer phones at a "discount" and then make money on the service. It's one of the reasons why a $199 iPhone 6 is more appealing than a $599 Passport.07-17-15 02:44 AMLike 0 - I'd rather not have the phones be exclusive; that's why I want T-Mobile to get it too.
In the U.S., it's common for carriers to offer phones at a "discount" and then make money on the service. It's one of the reasons why a $199 iPhone 6 is more appealing than a $599 Passport.
Posted via CB1007-17-15 04:22 AMLike 0 - I love my Passport.
Here is the thing, it didn't matter what device the company released, they weren't going to sell because of the name on it.
Now, I agree that it would have been a good idea to release a high end all tough alongside the Passport.
However, what the Passport did, for better or worse was bring some attention back to the brand, which is what they need.
If they go android, forget it, not buying another BlackBerry. But while BB10 is around, I'll stick with it.
Work Wide and Prosper
The way to get noticed in this business is to (1) make a great phone that (2) people want and (3) sell millions of them. The Passport failed utterly at step (2). And, worst yet, it failed at the drawing board, which is why the mistake was so unforgivable.07-17-15 07:46 AMLike 0 - In terms of �bringing some attention back to the brand,� there is not a single smartphone company in this intense competition for sales that can afford to use its only flagship phone of the year as a publicity stunt! The idea that no one would buy the Passport, but that it would be too ugly to ignore, would be Chen at his most worthless.
The way to get noticed in this business is to (1) make a great phone that (2) people want and (3) sell millions of them. The Passport failed utterly at step (2). And, worst yet, it failed at the drawing board, which is why the mistake was so unforgivable.
And of course the Passport wasn't going to sell millions, all the BB10 devices combined haven't sold millions.
He was expecting to sell about 100k. They knew how niche and gimmicky it was. It actually sold more than their expectations.
I don't know your hatred for the Passport. It's actually a great device. I have to admit, when I first saw the square screen, I was thinking that they were insane, but it kinda grew on me. I absolutely adore it.
It's the most original and innovative thing in mobile in about 6 or 7 years.
Don't be a hater.
Work Wide and Prosper07-17-15 12:00 PMLike 0 - Every single iPhone is a publicity stunt. Hell, every single flagship is a publicity stunt, it's a way to get your name out there. Companies don't make money on the flagships, they make them on the lower end devices. Again, except Apple.
And of course the Passport wasn't going to sell millions, all the BB10 devices combined haven't sold millions.
He was expecting to sell about 100k. They knew how niche and gimmicky it was. It actually sold more than their expectations.
I don't know your hatred for the Passport. It's actually a great device. I have to admit, when I first saw the square screen, I was thinking that they were insane, but it kinda grew on me. I absolutely adore it.
It's the most original and innovative thing in mobile in about 6 or 7 years.
Don't be a hater.
Work Wide and Prosper
Sorry.
Posted via C530307-17-15 06:51 PMLike 0 - Every single iPhone is a publicity stunt. Hell, every single flagship is a publicity stunt, it's a way to get your name out there. Companies don't make money on the flagships, they make them on the lower end devices. Again, except Apple.
And of course the Passport wasn't going to sell millions, all the BB10 devices combined haven't sold millions.
He was expecting to sell about 100k. They knew how niche and gimmicky it was. It actually sold more than their expectations.
I don't know your hatred for the Passport. It's actually a great device. I have to admit, when I first saw the square screen, I was thinking that they were insane, but it kinda grew on me. I absolutely adore it.
It's the most original and innovative thing in mobile in about 6 or 7 years.
Don't be a hater.
Work Wide and Prosper
Posted via Z30MobileMadness002 likes this.07-17-15 08:00 PMLike 1 - It doesn't sell. Yeah it got people to look, so does a streaker, but people aren't liking what they see. They don't want square screens no matter how big. It's like if Sony were try to make a run again at the TV market they once dominated and brought a 4:3 aspect ratio with a lot of pixels and trying to convince people that 16x9 TV's are just a fad. If the Q10, Q5, Passport and Classic sales numbers aren't proof enough of this for you fans of the devices and BlackBerry, then the hardware division is cooked.
Posted via Z30
Oh wait, no. They also didn't sell.
It's not an issue with the devices, or the OS. Both of which have their issues, sure.
It's the Blackberry name in the front.
If the all touch series sold incredibly well, then I would agree. But they all sold like crap.
FML07-17-15 08:15 PMLike 0 - You're right. None of the pkb BB10 devices sold, and the Z series sold millions!
Oh wait, no. They also didn't sell.
It's not an issue with the devices, or the OS. Both of which have their issues, sure.
It's the Blackberry name in the front.
If the all touch series sold incredibly well, then I would agree. But they all sold like crap.
FML
Posted via Z3007-17-15 09:18 PMLike 0 - Let's talk about the Passport and what a stupid, stupid choice it was. It�s 2014. BlackBerry was and is absolutely desperate for device sales. Its developers are forced to leave for other platforms due to low BB10 marketshare, which can only be improved by improved device sales. Revenues from device sales, key to BlackBerry's financial health, are falling at alarming rates. BlackBerry is only going to launch one flagship product all year. Will it be a flagship all-touch device, like every other top-selling smartphone manufacturer? Oh no, that would make way too much sense. Chen decides to go with the Passport, a phone with looks that only a mother could love.
Man, were the PKB fans happy about that call. The Z50 fans abhorred it. It turns out that pretty much nobody wants a PKB phone. Well, any moron a who had seen PKBs disappear from the smartphone universe could�ve told you that. In fact, it was discussed repeatedly on this forum. But the PKB fans assured us that we were wrong about the viability of the PKB smartphone.
�Shortcuts!� they said. �Better typing experience!�
But nobody wanted the Passports. A flagship that doesn�t sell is not contributing enough to the goal, especially for a company in BlackBerry's position! Chen had the authority to make a different call. He didn�t.
Posted via CB1007-17-15 09:18 PMLike 0 - Let's talk about the Passport and what a stupid, stupid choice it was. It�s 2014. BlackBerry was and is absolutely desperate for device sales. Its developers are forced to leave for other platforms due to low BB10 marketshare, which can only be improved by improved device sales. Revenues from device sales, key to BlackBerry's financial health, are falling at alarming rates. BlackBerry is only going to launch one flagship product all year. Will it be a flagship all-touch device, like every other top-selling smartphone manufacturer? Oh no, that would make way too much sense. Chen decides to go with the Passport, a phone with looks that only a mother could love.
Man, were the PKB fans happy about that call. The Z50 fans abhorred it. It turns out that pretty much nobody wants a PKB phone. Well, any moron a who had seen PKBs disappear from the smartphone universe could�ve told you that. In fact, it was discussed repeatedly on this forum. But the PKB fans assured us that we were wrong about the viability of the PKB smartphone.
�Shortcuts!� they said. �Better typing experience!�
But nobody wanted the Passports. A flagship that doesn�t sell is not contributing enough to the goal, especially for a company in BlackBerry's position! Chen had the authority to make a different call. He didn�t.
What the Passport did was generate enough buzz for people to actually review it and it was received very positively - that's what BlackBerry needed and they got it.
Had they released on all touch flagship they would've been destroyed, b/c then it'd be compared with everyone else - and the app experience on BlackBerry still sucks despite the updated run-time. The camera sucks compared to the competition. The ecosystem sucks. The BlackBerry assistant sucks even with Maluba.
The Passport got good reviews b/c of the pkb and the width, being differentiating factors from the rest.
It's a slow and steady return to profitability and the Passport was a gusty move that turned out well - not for sales, but for planting seeds that will grow in the future.
#qwerty #glassweave #darkhorsetinochiko likes this.07-17-15 11:25 PMLike 1 - Yeah they did sell millions. The first two quarters during and after the launch was 3 Million devices, all Z10, and all prior to any write down or discounting. I agree the name is garbage, but even if it said Samsung on the front of a Passport or Classic chassis, it wouldn't sell.
The Z10 didn't sell well and introducing another full touch slab would appease the current customers looking to upgrade, but its history doesn't foretell a full touch slab as the way for BlackBerry to regain traction.07-18-15 04:14 PMLike 0 - Three million Z10's when all there was of BB10 were Z10's. It was when BlackBerry had a high point of customers, something like 70 million(?), most of whom were carrying keyboards and waiting for the next one, which was the Q10 that came months later, maybe even two quarters later.
The Z10 didn't sell well and introducing another full touch slab would appease the current customers looking to upgrade, but its history doesn't foretell a full touch slab as the way for BlackBerry to regain traction.
And the Z10 is not a bad phone, but there are much better. It kind of took the wind out of their sails when the apps weren't there, the partners weren't living up to the expectations, and Blackberry flopped about for a bit, then immediately dropped the idea and got a new CEO and refocused on enterprise.
Personally, I simply don't think they gave it enough time. Now, I know why they didn't, they couldn't afford to. But I think if they kept going, kept pushing developer relations, and tried to do SOME marketing, that they could have potentially been in a better position now.
However, that's simply my opinion.
FMLKingOfQwerty likes this.07-18-15 04:22 PMLike 1 - That's right. At the time it was the only BB10 device, and there was actually some traction behind it, people were excited for BB10 and wanted to see the devices.
And the Z10 is not a bad phone, but there are much better. It kind of took the wind out of their sails when the apps weren't there, the partners weren't living up to the expectations, and Blackberry flopped about for a bit, then immediately dropped the idea and got a new CEO and refocused on enterprise.
Personally, I simply don't think they gave it enough time. Now, I know why they didn't, they couldn't afford to. But I think if they kept going, kept pushing developer relations, and tried to do SOME marketing, that they could have potentially been in a better position now.
However, that's simply my opinion.
FML
Developer relations should have focused on quality apps, not volume of apps. Or rather, they shouldn't have wasted money on tons of crappy Android apps and web page conversions. Apple and Android played the volume game. They should have differentiated themselves by providing great business/social apps.
Marketing was terrible. The launch parties drew press attention, but there weren't places to actually see and buy the devices. The Superbowl commercial was terrible and was pointless, as no U.S. carriers had the devices yet.
And yes, they couldn't afford to wait earlier because of the massive burn rate...07-18-15 04:37 PMLike 0 - That's right. At the time it was the only BB10 device, and there was actually some traction behind it, people were excited for BB10 and wanted to see the devices.
And the Z10 is not a bad phone, but there are much better. It kind of took the wind out of their sails when the apps weren't there, the partners weren't living up to the expectations, and Blackberry flopped about for a bit, then immediately dropped the idea and got a new CEO and refocused on enterprise.
Personally, I simply don't think they gave it enough time. Now, I know why they didn't, they couldn't afford to. But I think if they kept going, kept pushing developer relations, and tried to do SOME marketing, that they could have potentially been in a better position now.
However, that's simply my opinion.
FML
Posted via Z3007-18-15 05:45 PMLike 0 - Just as equally, there's fallacy in believing that the Z10 sold well and a new high-end full touch will solve BlackBerry's problems. You said it yourself, the high-end users have defected. Passport or full touch... same poor sales. The introduction of full touch to BlackBerry's line up brought demand for newer full touch. It's the same with the Passport. And will be the same with the Slider.07-18-15 05:57 PMLike 0
- I think their biggest mistake was, as you said, not giving it enough time *and then putting the company up for sale*. Installing a new CEO was necessary to save face after the for sale sign and new CEO's are always going to change up the playbook, which is the enterprise focus we have now.
Developer relations should have focused on quality apps, not volume of apps. Or rather, they shouldn't have wasted money on tons of crappy Android apps and web page conversions. Apple and Android played the volume game. They should have differentiated themselves by providing great business/social apps.
Marketing was terrible. The launch parties drew press attention, but there weren't places to actually see and buy the devices. The Superbowl commercial was terrible and was pointless, as no U.S. carriers had the devices yet.
And yes, they couldn't afford to wait earlier because of the massive burn rate...
Yeah, I agree. They should have focused on quality. That could have been a marketing point as well.
"We don't have 100 million apps. We have 100 good ones."
It's a fustercluck. I don't even know what they can do next. Maybe change the name in front of the phones?
The enterprise focus isn't a bad idea now, because of what happened before. It might be their only out.
It means the average user will have to just buy something else.
I really believe the current line up is good. I think there is room for both pkb and full touch BlackBerry devices.
1 touch low end, 1 pkb low end, 1 pkb and 1 vkb high end, and one crazy experiment device. Cycle them over the two - three year cycle, and it's not a horrible way to do things.
But you can't expect millions of sales. No way.
FMLLarry Harper likes this.07-18-15 06:42 PMLike 1
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