[clipskid]

2mp pictures look like ****. So ya it bothers me. I've never been able to use the front facing camera on a BB because they suck. It would be nice to have a really good front facing camera from BlackBerry for once

Again though, there are conflicting reports on this. Some say 2mp, some say 5mp

[AnimalPak200]

Actually, Apple and the Nexus phones now have front flash. Those phones are also equal or lower in price than the Priv is anticipated to be.

do you mean just emulating a flash using the screen?

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[ahmedhanif911]

Rather have them all to be honest

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[Dave Bourque]

That's because Apple had great camera specs other than the MP and people could see it in the picture quality. That's not the case with BB.

Well we can't really say for certain with the Priv until release.

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[Brandon Tobias]

while it does bother me slight (i have an S6) i would rather better battery and smother operation if its a 2MP wide angle lense then i'm cool.
but in reality instagram and other apps are still going to scale your photos down either which way so whats the problem if its 2MP.

Also its about image processing and how much light the camera can take in yes 5MP gives a cleaner image but really what are you going to do with the pictured.

IF samsung also helped them with camera processing algorithms the 2mp should do well if it shares the right aperture and processing with the s6

[Joao Oliveira]

2mp pictures look like ****. So ya it bothers me. I've never been able to use the front facing camera on a BB because they suck. It would be nice to have a really good front facing camera from BlackBerry for once

Again though, there are conflicting reports on this. Some say 2mp, some say 5mp

Does this picture look like **** to you?

http://cdn.windows0day.com/2015/09/2...-1920x1200.jpg
BOOM, this image has 2 megapixels!

You've learned something new today, 2MP can be enought.

Megapixels its just resolution, but the sharpness and ammount of detail in a picture is about clarity, dinamyc range, noise, chromatic aberration, not only megapixels. That's why the 8MP iphones were kicking *** cameras with double and triple the amount of pixels.

The Priv has crap front facing camera because the lens and sensor (must be tiny) are crap, not because it's 2 megapixels

[ToniCipriani]

Does this picture look like **** to you?
http://interfacelift.com/wallpaper/D..._1920x1080.jpg

BOOM, this image less than 2 megapixels!

You've learned something new today, 2MP can be enought.

Megapixels its just resolution, but the sharpness and ammount of detail in a picture is about clarity, dinamyc range, noise, chromatic aberration, not only megapixels. That's why the 8MP iphones were kicking *** cameras with double and triple the amount of pixels.

The Priv has crap front facing camera because the lens and sensor (must be tiny) are crap, not because it's 2 megapixels

Yeah, um, it certainly doesn't look too good.

[carlosc2492]

People complain about the dumbest things. A 2mp front facing cam isn't bad. This phone isn't going to satisfy EVERY one. No phone will ever do that. What it will do is get sh*t done.

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[Joao Oliveira]

Yeah, um, it certainly doesn't look too good.

http://i.imgur.com/uEgStDu.png

tried to refresh? It open's up in my browser.... I'll edit and put the link under it...

[kbz1960]

So .3% of people won't care and the rest will.

Not a deal breaker for me but it would have been nice to have better.

[kbz1960]

Does this picture look like **** to you?
http://interfacelift.com/wallpaper/D..._1920x1080.jpg
http://interfacelift.com/wallpaper/D..._1920x1080.jpg

BOOM, this image has 2 megapixels!

You've learned something new today, 2MP can be enought.

Megapixels its just resolution, but the sharpness and ammount of detail in a picture is about clarity, dinamyc range, noise, chromatic aberration, not only megapixels. That's why the 8MP iphones were kicking *** cameras with double and triple the amount of pixels.

The Priv has crap front facing camera because the lens and sensor (must be tiny) are crap, not because it's 2 megapixels

Can't see any image so it does look bad lol

[ToniCipriani]

tried to refresh? It open's up in my browser.... I'll edit and put the link under it...

It's because the image has anti-linking, the file is loading from your cache. You need to reupload the file to somewhere like Imgur.

[Joao Oliveira]

It's because the image has anti-linking, the file is loading from your cache. You need to reupload the file to somewhere like Imgur.

How about now?

[clipskid]

Does this picture look like **** to you?
http://interfacelift.com/wallpaper/D..._1920x1080.jpg
http://interfacelift.com/wallpaper/D..._1920x1080.jpg

BOOM, this image has 2 megapixels!

You've learned something new today, 2MP can be enought.

Megapixels its just resolution, but the sharpness and ammount of detail in a picture is about clarity, dinamyc range, noise, chromatic aberration, not only megapixels. That's why the 8MP iphones were kicking *** cameras with double and triple the amount of pixels.

The Priv has crap front facing camera because the lens and sensor (must be tiny) are crap, not because it's 2 megapixels

Haha I can assure you I don't need a lesson on photography lol. You do realize this topic is about a 2mp front facing camera on a BlackBerry phone and not a Nikon D4. You make me laugh. Go take that same picture with the front camera on the Passport and put them up side by side! Smh, some ppl on here.

I'm not about a specs race but traditionally speaking front cameras on BlackBerry phone have sucked with 2mp, they haven't been able to maximize potential. You can't compare with Nikon, Iphone etc because we are not using those products. This is about BlackBerry and their picture quality.

[JohnGrey]

My problem isn't the camera's resolution so much as the mentality behind it. BBRY is still playing the 'you don't need that one a productivity mobile' game. It's trying to court consumers while refusing to cater to basic market values of what constitutes value to the consumer population. This sort of mentality will likely damage the phone's chances of broader adoption, which will be one more, and likely final, nail in the coffin of BBRY's handset offerings.

[Joao Oliveira]

Haha I can assure you I don't need a lesson on photography lol. You do realize this topic is about a 2mp front facing camera on a BlackBerry phone and not a Nikon D4. You make me laugh. Go take that same picture with the front camera on the Passport and put them up side by side! Smh, some ppl on here.

I'm not about a specs race but traditionally speaking front cameras on BlackBerry phone have sucked with 2mp, they haven't been able to maximize potential. You can't compare with Nikon, Iphone etc because we are not using those products. This is about BlackBerry and their picture quality.

This is what you wrote:

2mp pictures look like ****

No... 2mp don't have to look like ****, and I proven that to you... Don't need to be mad "bro"

what I typed was to clarify that saying "the camera is crap because it has X megapixels only"... it's what you just did, and that's wrong. So you can stop now twisting the story in your favour, because I wasn't comparing pictures with any DSLR, I was just pointing out, that you can't evaluate a camera on it's mexapixel count. You can buy a Sony A7R-II, brand new camera launched months ago with only 12MP, it can get much better detail than any 20MP on any smartphone.

Smartphone Cameras with 8MP also used to be crap... Cameras with 13 megapixel like the passport also used to be average... but hey, the Iphone only had 8MP and it used to be great, now has 12mp and kicks the passport's *** in EVERY way. The Priv's front facing camera is crap, because it's crap, because it has poor dinamic range, lots of noise, and bad clarity, not because of the megapixels.

Hey, the BB 9900 had a 5mp camera, and it was ABSOLUTE GARBAGE... does that mean every 5mp front facing camera is garbage? By your logic, it does.

[ToniCipriani]

How about now?

There you go

[DJM626]

Why not use the rear one that's much better than any front facing camera in the market. It's not that hard, everybody used to take selfies like that. If you go to a dark bar, good luck trying to take selfies with any front facing camera that doesn't have LED flash

You can use the rear camera, but the fact is that you shouldn't have to. No excuses. Everything on a cell phone should serve the purpose that it is intended to serve and not just be "adequate" here. We are talking flagship here. To some this is going to be enough to start laughing and saying negative things all over again. You can't please all the people all the time time, I know, but come on now, this has been on the drawing board for a year already! How hard can it be to change the lens on the front of the camera? Other companies adapt, why not blackberry? The amount of time it's taken them to get this out, and all these little things that do add up should be ironed out by now. Get it right for once blackberry!

Like they say, "Never a second chance to make a good first impression"

Sadly, at the rate we are going here, this thing is going to be outdated before it hits the USA

[clipskid]

This is what you wrote:

No... 2mp don't have to look like ****, and I proven that to you... Don't need to be mad "bro"

what I typed was to clarify that saying "the camera is crap because it has X megapixels only"... it's what you just did, and that's wrong. So you can stop now twisting the story in your favour, because I wasn't comparing pictures with any DSLR, I was just pointing out, that you can't evaluate a camera on it's mexapixel count. You can buy a Sony A7R-II, brand new camera with only 12MP, it can get much better detail than any 20MP on any smartphone.

Cameras with 8MP also used to be crap... Cameras with 13 megapixel like the passport also used to be average... but hey, the Iphone only had 8MP and it used to be great, now has 12mp and kicks the passport's *** in EVERY way. The Priv's front facing camera is crap, because it's crap, because it has poor dinamic range, lots of noise, and bad clarity, not because of the megapixels.

Hey, the BB 9900 had a 5mp camera, and it was ABSOLUTE GARBAGE... does that mean every 5mp front facing camera is garbage? By your logic, it does.

My argument was in reference to a BlackBerry phone, as was the topic at hand. You have simply taken my words out of context to suit your own argument thus twisting things around. You keep dropping other products to make your point, and their ability to produce great shots with lower "specs". I get that and thats great, problem is we aren't talking about DSLR's, Sony a7r-II or an iphone, this is a BlackBerry

Answer this then. With a traditional BlackBerry front camera (say the Passport), software being the same you don't think a 5mp photo will give you a better picture than a 2mp version?

[Joao Oliveira]

My argument was in reference to a BlackBerry phone, as was the topic at hand. You have simply taken my words out of context to suit your own argument thus twisting things around. You keep dropping other products to make your point, and their ability to produce great shots with lower "specs". I get that and thats great, problem is we aren't talking about DSLR's, Sony a7r-II or an iphone, this is a BlackBerry

Answer this then. With a traditional BlackBerry front camera (say the Passport), software being the same you don't think a 5mp photo will give you a better picture than a 2mp version?

you comment was generic. You didn't say Priv's front facing camera was rubish. you said:

2mp pictures look like ****

To me, and to every good reader, that's every 2mp picture, you didn't quote anybody, you just launched your "fact" to the conversation about 2mp cameras. If you said "2mp sensors tend to be crap"... I would have agreed with you

The sensors in DSLRs are the same sensors you have on smartphones, wich are CMOS sensors. Smartphones aren't as good just because of sensor size, DSLRs have much bigger sensors, can gather a lot more light, that's why they're better, but the technology is the exact same

The best indicator of a good camera is sensor size, give-me sensor sizes, and i'll tell you wich one has better chance of taking better pictures. That's why the Nokia 1020 despite being 3 year old phone, still is one of the best performing cameras, because it still has a bigger sensor than any other smartphone. If it had a better processor and software, it would still be the king by far (wich it still is in some aspects).

[clipskid]

This is what you wrote:
Hey, the BB 9900 had a 5mp camera, and it was ABSOLUTE GARBAGE... does that mean every 5mp front facing camera is garbage? By your logic, it does.

What are you even talking about "every 5mp front facing camera is garbage by my logic"?? I've clearly stated my argument in reference to BlackBerry products, nothing else! Get your head out of your ***

[ToniCipriani]

You can use the rear camera, but the fact is that you shouldn't have to. No excuses. Everything on a cell phone should serve the purpose that it is intended to serve and not just be "adequate" here. We are talking flagship here. To some this is going to be enough to start laughing and saying negative things all over again. You can't please all the people all the time time, I know, but come on now, this has been on the drawing board for a year already! How hard can it be to change the lens on the front of the camera? Other companies adapt, why not blackberry? The amount of time it's taken them to get this out, and all these little things that do add up should be ironed out by now. Get it right for once blackberry!

Like they say, "Never a second chance to make a good first impression"

Sadly, at the rate we are going here, this thing is going to be outdated before it hits the USA

The original intent of putting the camera on the front ever since 3G UMTS phones is for video conferencing. The first selfies were all taken with the back camera, that's where selfie sticks came along.

[Joao Oliveira]

What are you even talking about "every 5mp front facing camera is garbage by my logic"?? I've clearly stated my argument in reference to BlackBerry products, nothing else! Get your head out of your ***

you DIDN'T reference blackberry products. Especially because this sensors aren't made by blackberry (most probably made by sony). Of you said that 2MP sensor tend to be crap, there I would have agreed 100% with you, the one in the Priv is. But "2mp pictures look like ****"... not at all.

[clipskid]

you comment was generic. You didn't say Priv's front facing camera was rubish. you said:


To me, and to every good reader, that's every 2mp picture, you didn't quote anybody, you just launched your "fact" to the conversation about 2mp cameras.

Generic?? Lol, we are in Priv thread talking about the Priv camera

2mp pictures look like ****. So ya it bothers me. I've never been able to use the front facing camera on a BB because they suck. It would be nice to have a really good front facing camera from BlackBerry for once

If you read my post you hear me talk about 2mp pictures (in reference to others posting about this camera), then I link that to BlackBerry phones.

You're starting to reach here

[DJM626]

The original intent of putting the camera on the front ever since 3G UMTS phones is for video conferencing. The first selfies were all taken with the back camera, that's where selfie sticks came along.

Thanks for the clarification on this. What I was getting at in general BB should not skimp on anything on this phone, as small as this might be it does matter to a lot of people and can be the make or break on purchasing this device. Even so with video conferencing which is something a lot of people happen to use, should be given a good experience if they choose on using it