- I heard a cryptic comment the other day. I didn't dare ask too much but I had to make a couple of calls to BlackBerry Mobile tech support regarding my broken KEYone. I told one of the people I spoke with that "fortunately I have a PRIV" to use while my KEYone is being fixed. Then I told him how much I like the PRIV. Without divulging anything he indicated that if I like the PRIV I would like an upcoming device they are working on. Hmmmm, I thought...
Many folks know people much higher up the BBMo food chain, and they don't know a thing.Last edited by conite; 03-21-19 at 05:13 PM.
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- As much as I too would really really like to see a Priv 2 (let's face it, it's the most likely device to happen after the KEY3), we have to remember that the KEY line must first be successful enough for them to break even at least, in order to want to take a risk with the slider form factor.
While a slider has many compromises, I don't see why it couldn't be marginally successful.03-21-19 07:43 PMLike 0 - "MDBSP" is underway. What is that? "My Dream BlackBerry Savings Plan" and that would be for a Priv2. As for a KEYx whatever, yes, I would like one of those too,....but that PRIV form factor with its spacious screen and the PKB, but with modern flagship specs...I would love that.03-21-19 07:51 PMLike 0
- But it was so intriguing that he said anything at all, and I almost didn't write anything here. However, it really brightened up things to hear about a new device because I was and still am a a little distressed about my KEYone getting damaged. I thought about getting a KEY2 when that happened, but I would prefer a bigger improvement in the quality of the camera from my KEYone and am currently waiting to see how it does after it is repaired. I think the KEYone camera is good, now using my PRIV camera, I am recalling how great it is (especially for certain types of photos).03-21-19 08:04 PMLike 0
- I heard a cryptic comment the other day. I didn't dare ask too much but I had to make a couple of calls to BlackBerry Mobile tech support regarding my broken KEYone. I told one of the people I spoke with that "fortunately I have a PRIV" to use while my KEYone is being fixed. Then I told him how much I like the PRIV. Without divulging anything he indicated that if I like the PRIV I would like an upcoming device they are working on. Hmmmm, I thought...
Thats HUGE man. I hope you are not toying with our feelings because if this is true, it would be my next phone for SURE.
Geeez. Didnt expected that tbh. In a good way of course.
IMO they should focus in having 2 kind of hardware.... One in the line of the KeyOnes... and other brand slider style like ppriv.
While some people like the incorporated keyboard of the KEY... theres people like me which liketo have slider style keyboard to not lose screen space.
You definitely made my day with that “gossip"03-21-19 08:13 PMLike 0 -
The Priv is 25% heavier than the essentially identical LG G4 (when used as a slab).
The Priv, according to the laws of physics, is also much more top-heavy than the KEY² when typing.
So, a slider compromises on a slab experience when using it as a slab, and compromises on a keyboard experience when using the keyboard.
But that has to be balanced against being able to do both.03-21-19 09:35 PMLike 0 - It's all in the eye of the beholder.
The Priv is 25% heavier than the essentially identical LG G4 (when used as a slab).
The Priv, according to the laws of physics, is also much more top-heavy than the KEY² when typing.
So, a slider compromises on a slab experience when using it as a slab, and compromises on a keyboard experience when using the keyboard.
But that has to be balanced against being able to do both.
It also will most likely have a cramped keyboard, I don't see a way around that.03-21-19 11:02 PMLike 0 - I am using my PRIV right now and personally like the way it feels and balances in my hands. I type on it 2 handed. I also really like how it feels when I am on a call.
You are right, of course, that it is heavier than other phones that are the same size without the keyboard. I wonder if there are some ways to make it a tad lighter.EskeRahn likes this.03-21-19 11:05 PMLike 1 - Holy macdonallldddsss
Thats HUGE man. I hope you are not toying with our feelings because if this is true, it would be my next phone for SURE.
Geeez. Didnt expected that tbh. In a good way of course.
IMO they should focus in having 2 kind of hardware.... One in the line of the KeyOnes... and other brand slider style like ppriv.
While some people like the incorporated keyboard of the KEY... theres people like me which liketo have slider style keyboard to not lose screen space.
You definitely made my day with that “gossip"
I have to look at it this way: Even if it is being considered, it might still not actually come to fruition. I need to remember that so I am not greatly disappointed if nothing comes of it. (But I will be disappointed none the less).03-21-19 11:29 PMLike 0 - It's all in the eye of the beholder.
The Priv is 25% heavier than the essentially identical LG G4 (when used as a slab).
The Priv, according to the laws of physics, is also much more top-heavy than the KEY² when typing.
So, a slider compromises on a slab experience when using it as a slab, and compromises on a keyboard experience when using the keyboard.
But that has to be balanced against being able to do both.
As ANY device will be a result of compromises. The big question is what type of device that fills the needs and wishes of each individual the best.
So it all depends on the value put on each aspect what the ideal device for each person is.
We need VARIATION, and not just these one-size-fits-all oversized phablets.
With billions of users there should be plenty of room for even segments like 0.01%. I mean 100000 users should still be more than enough to sustain a profitable project...
As suggested many times before, I think the best overall design would be a basic thin slab with a interchangeable back, that could be different sizes of batteries, or a sliding keyboard in the right or wrong direction, as per what the users preferred for the needs of the day. (Think of a Moto Z-series device with only a very tiny battery to just last while changing battery packs. Sort of a cross over with old phones with battery packs like the Samsung S300)
But of course that would leave out those that weighs the size of the display much lower than the always available keyboard, the Key½ design obviously fits their usage better.03-22-19 03:49 AMLike 0 -
While there are companies doing limited release of devices in 10K, 25K or 50K total sales and are happy. I'm not sure BBMo that has to deal with Global Sales and Support channels would want a product with that few number of units moved.03-22-19 07:09 AMLike 0 - That logic is used a lot...
While there are companies doing limited release of devices in 10K, 25K or 50K total sales and are happy. I'm not sure BBMo that has to deal with Global Sales and Support channels would want a product with that few number of units moved.
I guess that is what F(x)tec is aiming for with the Pro¹ . It is hardly going to sell millions. But hopefully enough to give them a substantial profit big enough to be likely to make a follow-up Pro², Pro³, .... every two-three years.03-22-19 07:18 AMLike 0 - Ah, I was not talking BBmo/TCL and keyboard devices specifically, but more general, that there should be room for even minor segments.
I guess that is what F(x)tec is aiming for with the Pro¹ . It is hardly going to sell millions. But hopefully enough to give them a substantial profit big enough to be likely to make a follow-up Pro², Pro³, .... every two-three years.
Heck if BBMo ends, someone might step in with a crowd created PKB or Vertical Slider too...03-22-19 08:12 AMLike 0 -
Apart from the versatility for each user, this should also allow for better prices/profits.the_boon likes this.03-22-19 08:30 AMLike 1 -
It's a cool idea that would seem like it should work... but the economics of reality get in the way. $80 Power Packs, $200 Projectors, $80 Game Pads, $60 Speakers, $300 Cameras... that's the reality of the cheap Moto Mods, you don't want to even think about the Essential or RED addons (if you can find them).03-22-19 10:30 AMLike 0 -
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The Priv is 25% heavier than the essentially identical LG G4 (when used as a slab).
The Priv, according to the laws of physics, is also much more top-heavy than the KEY² when typing.
So, a slider compromises on a slab experience when using it as a slab, and compromises on a keyboard experience when using the keyboard.
It's unanimously agreed that the Priv was not top-heavy. It's a moot point when users and reviewers alike agreed it was a non-issue. It doesn't matter if it's physically "more top-heavy" when it isn't top-heavy.
How's the IP rating for the Key devices working out? I doubt the Key3 or Key4 will have any IP rating either.EskeRahn likes this.03-22-19 10:39 AMLike 1 - Is a wee bit heavier really a compromise? I've personally hear people also complaining some phones are too light. I don't know about you, but I never looked at the weight of a phone when deciding to purchase it. As long as the weight is within reason (which it is), it is irrelevant.
It's unanimously agreed that the Priv was not top-heavy. It's a moot point when users and reviewers alike agreed it was a non-issue. It doesn't matter if it's physically "more top-heavy" when it isn't top-heavy.
I have all BlackBerry Android devices including the Priv. I can assure you that, comparatively, the Priv is VERY top heavy with the keyboard extended.
I would hope however that modern technology/design can improve that.03-22-19 10:42 AMLike 0 - The idea of some sort of modular device has been played with by Google, Motorola, LG, Essential and RED.
It's a cool idea that would seem like it should work... but the economics of reality get in the way. $80 Power Packs, $200 Projectors, $80 Game Pads, $60 Speakers, $300 Cameras... that's the reality of the cheap Moto Mods, you don't want to even think about the Essential or RED addons (if you can find them).
This alone will give a rather large market for standard slabs, for those that sometimes want a slim device for the dinner jacket, and other times a big pack for a weekend hike. AND this would also appeal to us that just don't like being cheated by planned obsolescence by hard to replace batteries....
And THEN keyboard-nerds (like us in here) could piggy bag on the project and have a keyboard back (landscape/portrait). I Could easily accept if a keyboard slider back costed an additional $200, if I could use it for several iterations of phones. Most likely I would buy both the portrait and the landscape variant, and a couple of slim battery backs (As I prefer to carry spare batteries over a heavy device with a large one) to be used when the keyboard are not likely to be needed.
...The keyboard backs could even connect with NFC or Bluetooth if that would reduce the cost, so only a power connector is neededLast edited by EskeRahn; 03-22-19 at 10:52 AM. Reason: add
03-22-19 10:50 AMLike 0 - I type many hours a day on my phone. Weight is absolutely critical.
I have all BlackBerry Android devices including the Priv. I can assure you that, comparatively, the Priv is VERY top heavy with the keyboard extended.
I would hope however that modern technology/design can improve that.
If TCL/BBMmo are to ever make a Priv2 (and I doubt it will ever happen), I would expect it to be a plastic device, a lot less sturdy than the the real BB's Priv, and as a side effect it would be less heavy, and also even less top heavy as the battery will then be a larger part of the total weight than the current metal frame.03-22-19 11:08 AMLike 0 -
However, to do that on a slider would require much more complex sealing.03-22-19 11:16 AMLike 0
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