Blackberry Safeguard and GrSecurity confirmed on the Slider
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- And I am sure you are an expert. If there is a problem with grSecurity on a BlackBerry Android device, who is going to fix it? BlackBerry or grSecurity? Who is going to get the bad press? BlackBerry or grSecurity?09-22-15 10:10 PMLike 0
- Bla1zeCB OGDunno, that would require some better eyes then what I have to dig into it for now.MarsupilamiX likes this.09-22-15 10:22 PMLike 1
- they hold the patents to the eleptic curve encrytption(ECC) which pretty much every security focused organisation uses..actually one other source of blackberry software revenues apart from QNX is Certicom which is a security company to the core and helped Blackberry reach new hieghts interms of security. Certicom acquition is a crown jewel even more so than QNX
I'm aware of a team of Green Hills' INTEGRITY joined BlackBerry and I've heared about their coordination with Samsung relating KNOX. All indicate that they're interested in microkernel-based hypervisor technology. I never hear of them acquiring any Android security company in recent years, though. Of course, I could have missed it, or it can be the case and could have been kept confidential.
Posted via CB10/BB PP SE.09-22-15 11:35 PMLike 0 -
- Hope for what? That you can root without tripping an e-fuse? There will be NO root on this device. Just by my estimate of the people on CrackBerry, seems to me like most of them here want to and will try to root the slider. It's not going to happen. So you are all going to suffer with android the way BlackBerry put's it on the device. Not to mention all the carrier crapware that will not be removable.
BlackBerry has said over and over that if they release android, it will be secured. Does that sound like they will make it rootable??09-23-15 10:19 AMLike 0 - Hope for what? That you can root without tripping an e-fuse? There will be NO root on this device. Just by my estimate of the people on CrackBerry, seems to me like most of them here want to and will try to root the slider. It's not going to happen. So you are all going to suffer with android the way BlackBerry put's it on the device. Not to mention all the carrier crapware that will not be removable.
BlackBerry has said over and over that if they release android, it will be secured. Does that sound like they will make it rootable??kbz1960 likes this.09-23-15 10:57 AMLike 1 - Since they have no control over the security (they didn't design it), they are hoping that the 3rd party software and OS will be secure. They are staking their security reputation on someone else. Not to mention that any Android manufacture can make a phone with the exact same level of security since it is all 3rd party pieces.
I love BB10 and I want BlackBerry to succeed so they can keep on developing BB10, but this is just total stupidity on BlackBerry's part.09-23-15 11:08 AMLike 0 - I have been saying all along that this android device for BlackBerry is a disaster waiting to happen. Now they are staking the security of the device and their reputation as a security company on 3rd parties?
I love BB10 and I want BlackBerry to succeed so they can keep on developing BB10, but this is just total stupidity on BlackBerry's part.
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Z30STA100-5/10.3.2.2639kbz1960 likes this.09-23-15 12:44 PMLike 1 -
Bad press is spin. It comes down to incompetence or cleverness of hack. Things like having encryption ciphers go insecure after 6 years is different than unchecked boundaries, gotofail, or failure to adhere to common practices (brute force prevention) that lead to unexpected hacks.ayngling likes this.09-23-15 01:13 PMLike 1 - I believe that BlackBerry devices (legacy OS as well as BlackBerry 10 OS) have been utilizing a lot of stuff available at https://www.certicom.com/about which was acquired in 2009. I hope that Android OS installed in BlackBerry PRIV will also benefit from the same stuff.
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But I did find a "relationship" between Grsec and QNX.
My very vague impression is that GrSec allows QNX to run as a "Host OS".
I won't go further as any printed word would probably be meaningless for thech aware people like you, so here's what I "found", delivered to your expertise and comments
From : https://www.grsecurity.net/~spender/...rseconly.patch
What I noticed :
1/ the date ...
diff -urNp -U4 linux-2.6.24.7/arch/alpha/kernel/ptrace.c linux-2.6.24.7-new/arch/alpha/kernel/ptrace.c
--- linux-2.6.24.7/arch/alpha/kernel/ptrace.c 2008-05-01 17:50:00.000000000 -0400
+++ linux-2.6.24.7-new/arch/alpha/kernel/ptrace.c 2008-05-06 17:49:03.000000000 -0400
From : https://forums.grsecurity.net/viewto...t=2710&p=11027
What I noticed :
Confirms this was Intel related (automotive ?)
Mention of QNX as a Guest OS.
kvm_intel code is pretty much the same in all 2.6.38+ releases as far as cr0.wp is concerned: it is forced to 1 unless the host is EPT capable, in which case the guest is allowed to change it at its leisure regardless of other CR0 bits (IIRC this was implemented to allow QNX to run as a guest OS, since it fiddles with cr0.wp during boot pretty much in the same way as KERNEXEC does).Last edited by Superfly_FR; 09-30-15 at 06:13 AM.
kbz1960 likes this.09-30-15 04:32 AMLike 1 - Superfly_FRRetired Moderatornoob says : if they implemented the HW coded "BlackBerry signed system files only" restriction as in BB10 (and formerOSes), I can't see this happening. But I'm here to learn more about it.09-30-15 04:43 AMLike 0
- its talking about running QNX under KVM(Kernel based Virtual Machine) which is the Linux kernel version of Hypervisor.Superfly_FR likes this.09-30-15 04:57 AMLike 1
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Posted via CB10idhbar and Superfly_FR like this.09-30-15 05:43 AMLike 2 - Superfly_FRRetired ModeratorSo that users won't be able to upgrade/root with downloaded distributions (unless legit/signed) but only get OTA (hopefully non carrier ...) updates i.e : similar to BB10 current process ?09-30-15 06:15 AMLike 0
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The beauty of Android is that someone would likely quickly update the updates for those who are root. For those who are not root it would be strictly OTA unless BlackBerry stays in the habit of leaking legit/signed files.
Pretty much. The only downside is,of course, that BlackBerry will have to work on any new Android release in order to give us (the users) a 'secured/BlackBerrized' Android experience. Some users always look for the latest OS available and they won't like the fact that they'll have to wait for BB to release the newest modifed OS.
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