Blackberry Safeguard and GrSecurity confirmed on the Slider
- I think the main point is that BB is not going to intentionally allow rooting and will react quickly to plug any holes. Being that security is what BB is really focused on, their reputation is at stake and it'd be a PR disaster if a root exploit was found. It's early days and they are retrofitting Android which wasn't designed for security from the ground up, so it won't be easy.lift likes this.09-18-15 11:33 PMLike 1
- It would only be a pr disaster if they stop development of bb10 and only their version of android had the vulnerability. Seeing as how they are using mostly stock android I'm not sure how likely that is to really happen.
As long as bb10 exists they can always point to that as the full security solution.09-18-15 11:39 PMLike 6 - I think the main point is that BB is not going to intentionally allow rooting and will react quickly to plug any holes. Being that security is what BB is really focused on, their reputation is at stake and it'd be a PR disaster if a root exploit was found. It's early days and they are retrofitting Android which wasn't designed for security from the ground up, so it won't be easy.lift likes this.09-19-15 12:54 AMLike 1
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Passport on AT&T09-19-15 01:24 AMLike 0 -
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And if anyone still thinks BlackBerry pulled a unicorn out of its *** and did something with a hypervisor or whatever...
09-19-15 03:45 AMLike 7 - so really in all respects this is an android phone with blackberry name on it and some bits added to the os just like Samsung have done with there android touchwiz?09-19-15 04:11 AMLike 0
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1) I trust BlackBerry's word a lot more than Samsung if both claim to have secured android. BlackBerry has the right mentality, internal processes, the right hires, etc to do this right, even if Samsung has more money. This is BlackBerry's single core competency, and their whole reputation is based around it. Samsung is bound to take securing android lighter than BlackBerry.
2) Samsung's audience is a broad one, when they build a new phone they make trade offs with everything from features to marketing. BlackBerry will focus on a single target audience with two selling points: productiveness and security (and security will only briefly be mentioned, they are known for it, it is a given that it has it). BlackBerry will promise that this is the most productive, no-frills, Android out there, to business minded people.00stryder likes this.09-19-15 04:34 AMLike 1 - A presentation dated four years ago is found at Toward the Integration of Grsecurity in Embedded
Android Operating System .
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Fatboy40 likes this.09-19-15 04:42 AMLike 1 - P.S.
Grsecurity / PaX-patched kernels are found only for Intel chips at the Arch Linux.
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https://www.archlinux.org/packages/?name=linux-grsec
Code:Arch Repo Name Version Description Last Updated Flag Date x86_64 Community linux-grsec 4.1.7.201509131604-1 The Linux kernel and modules with grsecurity/PaX patches 2015-09-14 i686 Community linux-grsec 4.1.7.201509131604-1 The Linux kernel and modules with grsecurity/PaX patches 2015-09-14
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09-19-15 05:18 AMLike 0 - Security Enhancements (SE) for Android
What is SE for Android?
Security Enhancements for Android™ (SE for Android) is a project to identify and address critical gaps in the security of Android. Initially, the project is enabling the use of SELinux in Android in order to limit the damage that can be done by flawed or malicious apps and in order to enforce separation guarantees between apps. However, the scope of the project is not limited to SELinux.
SE for Android also refers to the reference implementation produced by the project. The current reference implementation provides a worked example of how to enable and apply SELinux at the lower layers of the Android software stack and provides a working demonstration of the value provided by SELinux in confining various root exploits and application vulnerabilities.
Android™ is a trademark of Google, Inc.Last edited by yhamaie; 09-19-15 at 06:18 AM.
09-19-15 05:39 AMLike 0 - A presentation dated four years ago is found at Toward the Integration of Grsecurity in Embedded
Android Operating System .ayngling likes this.09-19-15 05:46 AMLike 1 -
- Android lovers keep dreaming. There will be no way to root this or do extensive customization. You all keep dreaming that you will root and do all the stuff you usually do. HaHa.
You all wanted BlackBerry running android. Well you are going to get BlackBerry secured android. Other than having access to all the apps you want, not much else will be possible.09-19-15 07:54 AMLike 0 -
Fingers crossed that you are right!RigoMonster and 00stryder like this.09-19-15 08:19 AMLike 2 -
Inside the Military's Secretive Smartphone Program09-19-15 08:43 AMLike 0 - I understand that U.S. armed forces have abandoned legacy BlackBerry OS devices and deployed Android OS devices without questioing too much about security.
Inside the Military's Secretive Smartphone Program
Android security is apparently seen as good enough for some arms of the government, but I bet they would be even happier if there was an even more secure android alternative. If nothing else it would mean apps built for parts of the organization that require less security will work on devices higher up the chain as well.00stryder likes this.09-19-15 08:54 AMLike 1 - QNX was pure fantasy, there was never any evidence of it existing for Android. Grsec has an addon package to the Linux kernel for security and access control. There are several other companies in the space such as AppArmor and an open source project which was started by the NSA called SELinux. Google has gradually been pulling in code from the SELinux project into its kernels and it continues with Marshmallow. Think of Grsec for Linux kernel like Redhat for Linux distros. Basically BB is using their expertise and code to make Android more secure for the Venice.
We haven't discarded yet the light hypervisor scenario: QNX Hypervisor running Android as its only guest OS. This could bring to the table two things that are badly needed in Android phones: true work/personal containerization, and FAST SYSTEM UPDATES. The first one allows features like Balance. The second one is crucial to get more security.
Wide vision, from Chile.RigoMonster and 00stryder like this.09-19-15 09:09 AMLike 2 - kbz1960Doesn't MatterAndroid lovers keep dreaming. There will be no way to root this or do extensive customization. You all keep dreaming that you will root and do all the stuff you usually do. HaHa.
You all wanted BlackBerry running android. Well you are going to get BlackBerry secured android. Other than having access to all the apps you want, not much else will be possible.00stryder likes this.09-19-15 09:12 AMLike 1 - hang a mo not all of us wanted blackberry running droid I FOR ONE DIDNT I love bb10 and don't think there is anything wrong with it in fact I think it is the best os on any phone it has just got better and better with every new update ,yes I do like the look of the slider but I would be more than happy if they said they would be releasing a bb10 version and I think there would be lots of bb owners just as happy09-19-15 09:16 AMLike 0
- hang a mo not all of us wanted blackberry running droid I FOR ONE DIDNT I love bb10 and don't think there is anything wrong with it in fact I think it is the best os on any phone it has just got better and better with every new update ,yes I do like the look of the slider but I would be more than happy if they said they would be releasing a bb10 version and I think there would be lots of bb owners just as happy09-19-15 09:57 AMLike 0
- QNX isn't pure fantasy, the scenario of an Android using the QNX kernel was.
We haven't discarded yet the light hypervisor scenario: QNX Hypervisor running Android as its only guest OS. This could bring to the table two things that are badly needed in Android phones: true work/personal containerization, and FAST SYSTEM UPDATES. The first one allows features like Balance. The second one is crucial to get more security.
Wide vision, from Chile.
Passport on AT&T09-19-15 09:58 AMLike 2 -
The world was ruled by Windows and Mac OS a couple of decades ago. Alas, it is now ruled by Android OS and iOS.
Posted via CB1009-19-15 10:10 AMLike 2 - Would be really pleased if this where the case. I use Balance and would prefer not to give up the peace of mind of having my work and personal activities on my phone separated. This would also be consistent with Chen's comments earlier in the year about have a solution that would address users needing two phones (presumably security and apps coming together in one device, which I hope includes Balance). Chen has been speaking about innovation being the key to BlackBerry's comeback, so I hope that it's more than a stock Android with the BlackBerry Experience suite.
Passport on AT&T
If you looked at the first leaked renders from evleaks you can see that some apps having a briefcase icon on them, these are from the work partition (I like the Balance way better, with a completely different view but this way works as well): http://cdn.ndtv.com/tech/blackberry_...ak_evleaks.jpgRigoMonster likes this.09-19-15 10:13 AMLike 1
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