- $749 and a 2MP camera?? Sounds just the other side of insane to me.
Given the issues with new releases by BlackBerry (double-typing, etc), are folks really willing to spend this kind of money on a first gen device? Especially one that is such a radical departure from all previous BlackBerrys. At $500 it was a sketchy "maybe." At $750 it's a firm "no way in h3ll."10-22-15 10:04 AMLike 0 - I got my iPhone 6s Plus 128GB through Verizon (with a 2-year contract) for $499. At least in the U.S., over 90% of phones are bought at carrier-subsidized prices.
$750 for a 16GB iPhone is just as ludicrous as a $750 Priv. But few people pay full retail for iPhones.10-22-15 10:08 AMLike 0 - I suggest everyone start tweeting, posting on Reddit, and make it loud and clear that we think the price is high. BlackBerry apparently uses this as marketing. Especially this is what they are using as their primary marketing channel instead of launch events.
Here?s What People Are Saying about PRIV by BlackBerry (Updated) | Inside BlackBerry
I did my part:
https://twitter.com/ToniCipriani5/st...2239168458342410-22-15 10:12 AMLike 2 - Well, seems like the company and its designer stuck in deep coma with 2mp front camera. Since this is its high end device, the company should've upgraded to 5mp instead. Well, mistake after mistake. When you bring out a new device or brand to compete with a zillion brands the same OS, you must bring out best of the best, not the same others. Doesn't seem the company, marketing and designers know what they are doing I believe?
10-22-15 10:18 AMLike 0 - What I don't understand is why BlackBerry hasn't just moved to a BlackPhone or KNOX type distribution system, instead of still trying to play in the consumer market. Just go full direct to customer, allow for sales to consumers that want them... but don't make it appear like you are really trying to compete in the consumer market.10-22-15 10:23 AMLike 0
- Am I the only one who doesn't think the price is too high?
Compared to other brand's flagships phones the price is around the same, if not slightly less and in return you are getting a truly unique piece of hardware, not just another irrelevant slab.10-22-15 10:26 AMLike 4 - I will not be purchasing this phone at the $949 price point. (just in case BB is reading)
And this is coming from someone who has had a BB device in every generation since the 950.10-22-15 10:29 AMLike 0 - Are you kidding me they have terrible quality control issues their repair policy is ridiculous and they don't even service their own products if you got it thru some other means even if your well below the 1 year warranty they only ones who harm blackberry are blackberry themselves10-22-15 10:36 AMLike 2
- You know, Chen never said he wanted to leave the handset business. That is just some meme created by some jokers around these parts.
Chen has been advised to leave the handset business for a long time, and has stated that Wall St. would cheer if he did, but yet here he is still having BlackBerry make phones.
What Chen has said is that he believes making handsets (BlackBerry) to be an integral part of end-to-end security and that if BlackBerry did exit they could still offer solutions to other vendors and OEMs.
But the Priv is coming to Verizon for sure.
IMHO.
This whole debate of public prices is useless.
What matters is the ASP and the margins they have to reach to obtain profitability with a 5mil. target (hey, BTW, is that Priv alone ?). What I mean here is that it's not a marketing plan to shine the brand name buy acquiring customers, whatever the cost.
It's a final (?) attempt to sell an original (KB/Security) and high specs device aimed to a segment of users who don't really care about +/- $50 (a $100 swing).
Chen has been clear : it's high end device and price. So, take the high end price in your country (IP6S+ ?), apply it to the device: You're set with a reasonable expectation.
BUT he also understated that BlackBerry will help making it affordable for most. How ? We don't know.
THIS information might be the one which really matters.
(edit/added : and you won't see that during the pre-order round)
Obviously, only a few weeks (days ?) before we know.
The 808 Processor..... 2MP Front Facing Camera..... Older Wi-Fi specs.... Older USB specs... lack of standard features like Fingerprint (I know not real security). These would get overlooked if the PRIV was $599 US or lower. But from a consumer standpoint they will make the $749 US PRIV seem like a bad joke. Where as if BlackBerry had release the PRIV to go against the BlackPhone.... there would be little said about the price.
1. The 810s have an issue with overheating at stock speed. Unless the issue has been resolved very recently currently the only way to keep them cool is either liquid cooling or to under clock them. It's all about spec's and not performance, right.
2. Research digital cameras and megapixels. Megapixels at the end of the day don't mean doodle in and of themselves. Apple caught flak when they released the iPhone 4 with a paltry 5 mp rear camera at a time when others were doing higher mp's. But guess what, that cruddy iPhone 4 camera still took the better pics. Why? Because it's not about the number of megapixels that matters but the size of the pixels that matter more. What Apple did was to enlarge the size of each sensor (pixel), allowing for each individual sensor to capture more light. What the competition did was to cram more sensors into the same space, and thus, used smaller smaller sensors. But hey, it's all about spec's, right.
That 2 mp front facing camera has large sensors plus a few other pieces of tech that will put it in line with a basic 5 mp camera if not beyond.
3. 2.0 USB. Yeah, okay, this is old school tech but if I remember correctly USB 3.0 cannot be used to charge a phone and carry data at the same time. I could be wrong on that, though. However, a quick inspection of other flagship Androids indicates they are all using USB 2.0, too.
4. Fingerprint scanner. This is a tough one but one that really cannot be considered at this point in time, or perhaps ever with a BlackBerry. Many people do not want finger print scanners and many more see them as taking us one step closer to 1984. And I am fairly certain that if we were to survey BlackBerry diehards and BlackBerry diehards alone (meaning, none of the Android crowd that have been popping out of the woodwork lately) the overwhelming majority would not want a fingerprint scanner.10-22-15 10:37 AMLike 5 - Superfly_FRRetired Moderator
Exactly.
1/ "Throwing the towel" equals no more devices built by BlackBerry. Chen hinted other alternatives like "going OEM-like" I mentionned before, with the clear target to avoid customers asking "where do I go from here". Those OEM-ed devices could be branded and sold by BlackBerry.
2/ 40% of revenues at loss is weaker than 60% of revenues with (high margin) profits. That's the debate. Balance point to be found wherever the "end to end" (device to back end) option is mandatory (fits with /1).
Now about "better speced" and so on ...
We know, for a vast majority of users, specs is a word that describes a candy bar or a sweater. They don't care. At all. Especially those whith deeper pockets. They want to be able to do what they have to do and do it fast. That matters. Tell me there's lags, no matter the number of cores or RAM size, then I'd be very, very anxious.
So far I can tell, Priv specs are high grade and I'll wait for the IRL test of front camera (they seem to inject some goodies here) before anything negative. Fingerprint ... you know what I think about it. And (if confirmed) I'm so glad they kept picture password as your privacy/security guardian.
I fear they offer fingerprint as a convinience, TBH I really hope they'll accept thrid party SW with a disclaimer (seems some people could kill for that).
Edit
Some extra "info" [salt it !], props to Sidhuk in another thread.
In the "specs" section, don't forget what made our BB10 devices so sexy, like Natural sound, that we'll more likely find on the Priv ...
More complete list. Sorry for almost doubling this post. But looking the specks in details, I would pay for this phone. Haters gonna hate regardless.
BlackBerry Priv Specs
Baseline Software Support: Android 5.1.1 Lollipop
Size (LxWxD): 147 (184 opened) x 77.2 x 9.4mm
Weight (w/battery): 192g
Model Number: STV100-1
Processor:
Qualcomm 8992 with 64 bit Dual-core 1.8 GHz Cortex-A57 and Quad-core 1.44 GHz CortexA53 (Snapdragon 808 Hexa-Core, 64 bit)
Adreno 418, 600MHz GPU
Memory:
3GB Low Power RAM
32GB Flash
Hot-swappable MicroSD slot (up to 2TB)
Expandable Memory:
MicroSD slot located on top of device, accessible via pin-eject tray
Display:
Curved 5.43”
2560 x 1440 resolution
540 DPI
WQHD Plastic AMOLED
High Brightness Mode for Outdoor Readability
24-bit color depth
16:9 aspect ratio
Corning Gorilla Glass 4
Rear Facing Camera:
18MP Auto-Focus
Optical Image Stabilization (OIS)
Phase Detect Auto Focus (PDAF), Fast focus lock
HDR
6-element f2.2 lens
Back Side Illumination (BSI2) Stacked Sensor
Dual Colour, Dual 2 mm2 LED Flash – Enhanced photo color balance/
4k Video Recording: 30 fps, 1080p HD video recording at 60 fps, 6DOF video stabilization combined with OIS for incredibly smooth video
4x digital zoom
Continuous & touch to focus, face detection, image stabilization
Panorama, Burst, Live Filters
Multi-Frame Low Light Enhancement
Front Facing Camera:
2MP Fixed-Focus, f2.8
Large 1.75um pixel size
Image & video stabilization
720p HD video recording
2x digital zoom
Wide Selfie Mode (also known as Selfie Panorama)
Multi-Frame Low Light Enhancement
Dedicated Keys: Volume Up/Down, Mute, Lock(Power On/Off)
Notification: Tone, vibrate, on-screen or LED indicator; notification options are user configurable
Touch Capabilities:
10-point multi-touch
Supports Passive Stylus
Glove Mode
Capacitive Touch Keyboard: Allows navigation gestures, fine cursor control, swipe to select word predictions, swipe back for word deletion
Navigation: Capacitive Touch, capacitive 4-row keyboard (slider)
User Interface:*Gesture control plus touch sensitive physical keyboard with gesture support
Keyboard:
Physical Sliding Keyboard, with support for:
Contextual auto-correction
Contextual next word prediction
Personalized learning engine
Keyboard Security:
Password protection, Screen lock, and Sleep mode
Voice Input/output:
Integrated speaker and 3 microphones
BlackBerry Natural Sound enabled: Receiver cavity microphone monitors what the user hears and adjusts in real time for best performance. The system monitors speaker motion in real time to ensure maximum loudness without distortion
Virtual Back Volume Speaker – high surface area material in the speaker cavity provides higher loudness in a more compact space
Hands-free headset capable
Bluetooth headset capable
Integrated Hands-Free Speakerphone
Headset : 3.5 mm stereo
Ports and Connectivity:
USB 2.0 Connector with SlimPort enabled
USB 2.0 fully supported with standard microUSB 2.0 cable (included in box)
Cabled-Video Out, 4k @30 fps, supported with standard SlimPort adaptor (not included in box). SlimPort adaptor cables exist to support the following video protocols: HDMI, VGA, DisplayPort 1.1, DisplayPort 1.2, DVI
NFC
Power Adapter
+5V DC / 1.3A AC power adapter, OMTP Compliant
QC2.0 Enabled – Compatible with QC2 Chargers
Dual mode Wireless Charging capable for Powermat (PMA) and Qi
Battery:
3410 (typ) 3360 (min) mAh 4.4V 680 Wh/L integrated non-removable battery
Fast charge enabled
Battery Life:
Mixed Usage: Up to 22.5 hours
22.5 hours battery life is based on mixed usage scenario. Many factors affect battery life including but not limited to network, transmission environment, battery age, usage, location software and feature configuration.
Network
FD-LTE 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 7, 12, 17, 20, 29,30
HSPA+ 1, 2, 4, 5/6, 8
Quad band GSM/GPRS/EDGE
Wi-Fi:
802.11 b/g/n for 2.4GHz
802.11 a/n for 5GHz
802.11 ac for 5GHz
4G Mobile Hotspot
Wi-Fi Direct 2�2 MIMO
Bluetooth Support: Bluetooth 4.1 Low Energy (LE)
GPS
Assisted, Autonomous and Simultaneous GPS
Pre-loaded Google Maps
E911 supported
Advanced Sensors : Accelerometer, Magnetometer, Gyroscope, Time of Flight (ToF) Proximity, Ambient Light, Altimeter, Activity Monitor
SIM Interface
Nano SIM card (4FF)
Supports 1.8V and 3.0V cards
Recommended Temperature Parameters
Handheld – Operating: 0 to 35�C / 32 to 95�F
Handheld – Storage: -20 to 35�C / -4 to 95�F
Travel charger – Operating: 0 to 35�C / 32 to 95�F
Accessibility: HAC Rating: M3 T4
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Jaguarandine likes this.10-22-15 10:38 AMLike 1 - Superfly_FRRetired ModeratorPrice in € tax included ~= Price in USD w/o (local) taxes.
In Europe, you must include taxes on consumers' displayed prices (only enterprises see "out of tax" price, because they only collect them)Last edited by Superfly_FR; 10-22-15 at 11:12 AM.
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- Superfly_FRRetired Moderator
No matter what the others do. No matter what the specs are. No matter what the price is.
If any segment, these people are simply not in the scope right now.
"Everyone" (not) seems to expect the Priv to be a IP killer or a Galaxy competitor.
Hello, world ! it's a 5 mil. segment in a 1Bil. target !!!
edit : As an easy reference, that's roughly 1 year IP sales for ... 1 U.S State. Alone.Last edited by Superfly_FR; 10-22-15 at 11:23 AM.
10-22-15 11:05 AMLike 0 - 750 price is way out of wack with competitive products using the 808 SOC.
The MS 950, Moto pure and play, G4, and 5X can all be had for hundreds of dollars cheaper. 810 devices like the 6P and 950XL also beat it with respect to value/ price
Not looking good for BlackBerry.
!grover5 likes this.10-22-15 11:09 AMLike 1 -
Is it really fair to compare a carrier subsidized price to a full retail price? We don't know yet what the carrier subsidized Priv prices will be in the US. HOWEVER there are some more attractive subsidized prices already being reported for Canada, SO they are out there. Most likely in the US we will get the latest fad "carrier financing" and you will get a monthly additional fee added to your bill.10-22-15 11:09 AMLike 4 - The price is about right for all that it's packing. I don't have an issue here at all.
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Posted via BlackBerry Z3010-22-15 11:20 AMLike 0 - The only reported subsidized price is Rogers at $399 on a 2YR Share Everything plan. Which is NOT attractive at all. Do you know how much the Share Everything plan costs?Dunt Dunt Dunt likes this.10-22-15 11:33 AMLike 1
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BBM Channel: C0001F28510-22-15 11:37 AMLike 0 - Currently, people in desire of an iPhone ... buy an iPhone. No matter what the others do. No matter what the specs are. No matter what the price is.
If any segment, these people are simply not in the scope right now.
"Everyone" (not) seems to expect the Priv to be a IP killer or a Galaxy competitor.
Hello, world ! it's a 5 mil. segment in a 1Bil. target !!!
The problem Samsung is having right now is that for a device priced anywhere near the iPhone, most (not all) consumers are going with the iPhone. Once Apple brought the larger screen to the iPhone, there wasn't much the Android's had to offer anymore.... other than cheaper prices.
Thus they have had to recently drop pricing on their current flagship devices, with a Galaxy Note 5 being $100 cheaper than the PRIV and an LG G4 being almost $350 cheaper than the PRIV....(Amazon prices) BlackBerry has less of a shot hitting that 5 Million target with the PRIV (if it is $750 US), than the whole BB10 line up had at 10 Million.
The PRIV is a GREAT BlackPhone competitor! But it isn't going to be able to compete in the consumer market at that price! And if the consumer negative spills over, I'm not sure Enterprise will touch another BlackBerry beta product.
THEY SHOULD HAVE STAYED AWAY FROM THE CONSUMER MARKET WITH THE PRIV! Let a few fans that want one, buy one... but don't put it out there like it just another consumer device.10-22-15 11:39 AMLike 0 -
That's my guess. I don't think moving in that direction is in line with their security philosophy.Superfly_FR likes this.10-22-15 11:39 AMLike 1 - 10-22-15 11:48 AMLike 0
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