- I want this phone to be cheap/affordable too, but seriously you're doing yourself a disservice by comparing the prices to existing in-market phones that have been on sale for months now.
If the price bothers you, just wait a few months until it's as old as the phones it's being compared against, and you'll be happier with the price.
Brand new phone = brand new price.10-22-15 08:28 AMLike 3 - I want this phone to be cheap/affordable too, but seriously you're doing yourself a disservice by comparing the prices to existing in-market phones that have been on sale for months now.
If the price bothers you, just wait a few months until it's as old as the phones it's being compared against, and you'll be happier with the price.
Brand new phone = brand new price.crackberry_geek and Barbareren like this.10-22-15 08:31 AMLike 2 - I think that they release high price at beginning and only people that want first will buy premium, and after a few months the price should be lower. The problem is that there are people that will only look at price once, and will lose interest, even after few months pass, they'll think the price is the same without going to website to check.
My opinions. If I read initial prices correctly, maybe the situation was same for Z30 and Q10, then the prices got cut but since I've bought my First BlackBerry this year, I don't know if I'm right about this answer.
Black, BlackBerry Z30/ 10.3.2.278910-22-15 08:31 AMLike 0 - Chen wants to get out of the hardware market. If they don't sell because they refuse to price them right, knowing that they have been over priced in the past, then they can say they tried their best to make them sell. Getting out of the hardware business without doing it verbally outright.
This is insane, BlackBerry comes up with what could be a very competitive smartphone (both the hardware and software could/will be attractive to a lot of buyers) and then they give it a non-competitive price. At this price point, it truly does seem that they just want this phone fail.10-22-15 08:35 AMLike 0 - What's stopping you? Get the S6, they are all phones unless you really want BB Prive, like I do.Superfly_FR likes this.10-22-15 08:37 AMLike 1
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- Superfly_FRRetired ModeratorIMHO.
This whole debate of public prices is useless.
What matters is the ASP and the margins they have to reach to obtain profitability with a 5mil. target (hey, BTW, is that Priv alone ?). What I mean here is that it's not a marketing plan to shine the brand name buy acquiring customers, whatever the cost.
It's a final (?) attempt to sell an original (KB/Security) and high specs device aimed to a segment of users who don't really care about +/- $50 (a $100 swing).
Chen has been clear : it's high end device and price. So, take the high end price in your country (IP6S+ ?), apply it to the device: You're set with a reasonable expectation.
BUT he also understated that BlackBerry will help making it affordable for most. How ? We don't know.
THIS information might be the one which really matters.
(edit/added : and you won't see that during the pre-order round)
Obviously, only a few weeks (days ?) before we know.Last edited by Superfly_FR; 10-22-15 at 09:26 AM.
Jaguarandine and wincyUt like this.10-22-15 09:08 AMLike 2 - Chen wants to get out of the hardware market. If they don't sell because they refuse to price them right, knowing that they have been over priced in the past, then they can say they tried their best to make them sell. Getting out of the hardware business without doing it verbally outright.10-22-15 09:10 AMLike 0
- There's your problem. In competitive marketplace it doesn't matter what your internal cost structure is - the customer doesn't care. You can't set pricing according to your own needs.10-22-15 09:13 AMLike 0
- Superfly_FRRetired ModeratorChen wants to get out of the hardware market. If they don't sell because they refuse to price them right, knowing that they have been over priced in the past, then they can say they tried their best to make them sell. Getting out of the hardware business without doing it verbally outright.
According to [what I understand in] your post, they basically spent $Xhundred mil. just to have an excuse ?
lol. They don't need to. They could have thrown the towel outright. Previous statements made by Chen were enough for that.
IMHO if they go that way, they have more than reasonable arguments to do so.
(100% speculative = > ) Tell me they have to send at least one device on the field to bulletproof their Android+HW security and be able to license it or go OEM-like, then I can listen. But seriously, and very respectfully, the quoted story has no legs.Last edited by Superfly_FR; 10-22-15 at 09:31 AM.
Joao Oliveira likes this.10-22-15 09:18 AMLike 1 - Superfly_FRRetired Moderator
1/ What device (OS, specs) ?
2/ How much to secure and build it ?
3/ What achievable # in sales ?
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Set the price.
Of course this is iterative thinking and the order is purely for "clari-sympli-fication".
But overall, yeah, I believe that's what they did.10-22-15 09:22 AMLike 0 - I think he simply has set a low bar on volume. 500K units sounds about right at this price. There will likely be very little marketing. Later on, he will say that the Priv was very profitable on a per-unit basis even though the hardware division lost money.10-22-15 09:29 AMLike 0
- Sorry, but that's fiction.
According to [what I understand in] your post, they basically spent $hundreds mil. just to have an excuse ?
lol. They don't need to. They could have thrown the towel outright. Previous statements made by Chen were enough for that.
IMHO if they go that way, they have more than reasonable arguments to do so.
Tell me they have to send at least one device on the field to bulletproof their Android+HW security and be able to license it or go OEM-like, then I can listen. But seriously, and very respectfully, the quoted story has no legs.crackberry_geek likes this.10-22-15 09:33 AMLike 1 -
- IMHO.
This whole debate of public prices is useless.
What matters is the ASP and the margins they have to reach to obtain profitability with a 5mil. target (hey, BTW, is that Priv alone ?). What I mean here is that it's not a marketing plan to shine the brand name buy acquiring customers, whatever the cost.
It's a final (?) attempt to sell an original (KB/Security) and high specs device aimed to a segment of users who don't really care about +/- $50 (a $100 swing).
Chen has been clear : it's high end device and price. So, take the high end price in your country (IP6S+ ?), apply it to the device: You're set with a reasonable expectation.
BUT he also understated that BlackBerry will help making it affordable for most. How ? We don't know.
THIS information might be the one which really matters.
Obviously, only a few weeks (days ?) before we know.
PRIV has claims of better privacy and a physical keyboard, two thing that have not helped BlackBerry in the past, so I doubt it will help them now.
I understand they need to make money, I understand they have to pay more for the hardware, I understand they have more overhead in securing Android, and I understand the pricing of the PRIV is actually a DEAL when compared to the BlackPhone and the KNOX devices.
What I don't understand is why BlackBerry hasn't just moved to a BlackPhone or KNOX type distribution system, instead of still trying to play in the consumer market. Just go full direct to customer, allow for sales to consumers that want them... but don't make it appear like you are really trying to compete in the consumer market.
Right now whenever the NDAs expire and everyone starts releasing reviews.... the reviews not on BlackBerry fan sites will be affected by the PRICE. They won't just say in one sentence at the end that it's a little overpriced. But every comment will be based on the price. The 808 Processor..... 2MP Front Facing Camera..... Older Wi-Fi specs.... Older USB specs... lack of standard features like Fingerprint (I know not real security). These would get overlooked if the PRIV was $599 US or lower. But from a consumer standpoint they will make the $749 US PRIV seem like a bad joke. Where as if BlackBerry had release the PRIV to go against the BlackPhone.... there would be little said about the price.thepolishguy likes this.10-22-15 09:42 AMLike 1 -
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Right now whenever the NDAs expire and everyone starts releasing reviews.... the reviews not on BlackBerry fan sites will be affected by the PRICE. They won't just say in one sentence at the end that it's a little overpriced. But every comment will be based on the price. The 808 Processor..... 2MP Front Facing Camera..... Older Wi-Fi specs.... Older USB specs... lack of standard features like Fingerprint (I know not real security). These would get overlooked if the PRIV was $599 US or lower. But from a consumer standpoint they will make the $749 US PRIV seem like a bad joke. Where as if BlackBerry had release the PRIV to go against the BlackPhone.... there would be little said about the price.10-22-15 09:51 AMLike 0 - Sorry, but that's fiction.
According to [what I understand in] your post, they basically spent $Xhundred mil. just to have an excuse ?
lol. They don't need to. They could have thrown the towel outright. Previous statements made by Chen were enough for that.
IMHO if they go that way, they have more than reasonable arguments to do so.
(100% speculative = > ) Tell me they have to send at least one device on the field to bulletproof their Android+HW security and be able to license it or go OEM-like, then I can listen. But seriously, and very respectfully, the quoted story has no legs.Superfly_FR likes this.10-22-15 09:54 AMLike 1 - $749!? Please let this be a joke. No way I can justify paying that much, especially while being married. Anybody need a kidney?eyesopen1111 and Sparksx like this.10-22-15 10:03 AMLike 2
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