1. herculesinwyoming's Avatar
    I am curious what will happen with adobe dropping support for flash. Is there another company that will step up and take over? Or is html5 where the futures lies?
    I am no tech expert so forgive me if my question is dumb.
    12-27-11 05:43 PM
  2. rotorwrench's Avatar
    Html5 is where it's at. RIM says it will be supported.
    12-27-11 05:52 PM
  3. BuzzStarField's Avatar
    I am curious what will happen with adobe dropping support for flash. Is there another company that will step up and take over? Or is html5 where the futures lies?
    I am no tech expert so forgive me if my question is dumb.
    Your question is by no means dumb. Developers were very worried about the ramifications of Adobe's announcement. To our relief, RIM announced that they would continue to support flash on QNX devices going forward. Here is a link to the actual announcement:

    RIM Vows to support Flash
    12-27-11 06:03 PM
  4. rotorwrench's Avatar
    Your question is by no means dumb. Developers were very worried about the ramifications of Adobe's announcement. To our relief, RIM announced that they would continue to support flash on QNX devices going forward. Here is a link to the actual announcement:

    RIM Vows to support Flash
    You're right, but Adobe won't, for mobile devices that is. RIM says they'll support Html5 too. They say they've been working toward that anyway as they saw the writing on the wall.
    12-27-11 06:32 PM
  5. CanadianThomas's Avatar
    adobe isnt making flash for mobile but they are releasing the source code to devs like rim who wish to port/compile for their devices, like playbooks. i do believe html5 will win in the end but no need to worry.
    12-27-11 06:36 PM
  6. BuzzStarField's Avatar
    You're right, but Adobe won't, for mobile devices that is. RIM says they'll support Html5 too. They say they've been working toward that anyway as they saw the writing on the wall.
    Please correct me any of this if I am wrong. Here is my understanding:

    Most pundits expect Flash on the desktop will be supplanted by HTML5 over time but we can expect that some web sites will use it for some time to come. Adobe is still going to support flash on the desktop. RIM's announcement means that PlayBook users can continue to enjoy the full web experience using browsers on its QNX-based mobile devices. Both adobe and RIM say they are going to support HTML5 tools going forward (which as you point out is a sensible thing to do since Flash in all its forms will be phased out eventually).
    12-27-11 06:50 PM
  7. CanadianThomas's Avatar
    read here, especially the third paragraph.

    Flash to Focus on PC Browsing and Mobile Apps; Adobe to More Aggressively Contribute to HTML5 (Adobe Featured Blogs)

    so if RIM, HTC or anyone wants to have flash mobile, they can with a little effort. no worries.
    12-27-11 08:37 PM
  8. RoboticGolem's Avatar
    RIM already supports html5 (at least its current incarnation)

    I've noticed that it actually seems to support it better than flash. Only place I've really been able to compare is vimeo.com where I just tell it to use the html5 player instead.

    If I remember correctly it got only about 20 points less than my browser for current support (html5test.com)
    12-27-11 08:50 PM
  9. app_Developer's Avatar
    With all the other things that RIM has to manage over the next couple years, do they really want to take over the maintenance of that huge mess we call Flash?

    People who run sites will gradually move to better solutions to attract a broader mobile audience. When that happens, RIM can drop this plugin which I promise you will make their browsers crash less often.
    12-27-11 08:59 PM
  10. kill_9's Avatar
    Adobe is moving away from Flash technology and to HTML5 as a replacement for Flash. Stop with the hysteria.
    12-27-11 09:04 PM
  11. nada_surf's Avatar
    With all the other things that RIM has to manage over the next couple years, do they really want to take over the maintenance of that huge mess we call Flash?
    no they do not. i think their announcement of continuing with their own flash development is EXTREMELY silly. no one else in the industry wants to do this. i think they're sort of forced to because this whole time they tried to convince everyone that the playbook was 'better' because it did flash. lo and behold, adobe themselves kill off mobile flash in support of html5. its just another example of RIM not understanding the current field of technology and how things move very very quickly now.

    if anyone does this stuff for a living, you'd notice all of the adobes tools are now html5-centric and they're moving away from flash FAST. they just bought out phonegap, which is a mobile development environment purely based on html5/javascript/etc.

    yes, theres still going to be a lot of flash on the web. but html5 has been picked up super fast and adopted a lot quicker than most people would have thought possible. usually it takes several years (i think xhtml 1.0 probably took a decade and its still not fully standardized) but in the case of html5, the momentum since 2007 has been astounding.
    Last edited by nada_surf; 12-27-11 at 09:09 PM.
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    12-27-11 09:07 PM
  12. herculesinwyoming's Avatar
    so continueing my question, do apple and android plan to support html 5?
    12-27-11 09:51 PM
  13. nada_surf's Avatar
    so continueing my question, do apple and android plan to support html 5?
    they already do.

    everyone is actually using webkit as the basis for their browser (including the playbook) which is not solely, but largely developed and led by apple. so if anything, you can thank apple (and khtml and all the other people who pitched in that project) for providing html5 support for the playbook.
    12-27-11 09:57 PM
  14. app_Developer's Avatar
    so continueing my question, do apple and android plan to support html 5?
    Already done. The Android and Apple teams both preferred this to Flash. There was no Flash support in Android until manufacturing partners pushed for it because from a marketing perspective it became the one thing users and reviewers didn't like about the iPhone and iPad browsers. Then Apple dug into their position that Flash is BS on fanless battery powered devices, so Motorola latched on to Flash, as did RIM. Marketing considerations overriding the technology decision, which happens sometimes.

    Then Adobe finally admitted after 7 years of fooling around with mobile flash, that it just cannot work compared to far more intelligently designed ideas.
    Last edited by app_Developer; 12-27-11 at 11:25 PM.
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    12-27-11 10:07 PM
  15. herculesinwyoming's Avatar
    so people that make facebook games will have to do some updateing.
    12-27-11 11:20 PM
  16. Laura Knotek's Avatar
    Most likely, Flash will die on desktops too eventually.

    HTML5 is the future, on mobile and on desktops.

    W3C is moving toward HTML5 as the next standard. W3C Confirms May 2011 for HTML5 Last Call, Targets 2014 for HTML5 Standard Developers will have plenty of time, since the official standard is not expected until 2014.
    12-28-11 02:40 AM
  17. cbvinh's Avatar
    RIM's announcement to further support Flash means bug and security fixes, and perhaps a port to Blackberry 10, which essentially is just Playbook QNX. It doesn't mean RIM needs to devote a lot of resources to the effort or coming up with new Flash features.

    RIM already supports HTML 5. Flash is a bonus for users and definitely worth having until all sites are HTML 5 compliant.
    12-28-11 03:36 AM
  18. NowhereGirl's Avatar
    And if one doesn't have a Playbook? I just have my Torch 9800. It's been driving me crazy that I can't view videos, except the ones on the YouTube mobile site. I haven't worked in a year so have no TV or Internet. I read a lot of news sites on my phone but can't view any of the videos.

    I especially would love to view what's going on in the upcoming U.S. election.
    Thanks in advance!
    12-31-11 03:28 AM
  19. blackjack93117's Avatar
    HTML5 is the future, but it's not going to change the past. There is over ten years of flash content out there that is not just going to be redone to accommodate flash crippled browsers. Too much investment in production cost.
    Sorry applites.
    12-31-11 04:01 AM
  20. blackjack93117's Avatar
    And if one doesn't have a Playbook? I just have my Torch 9800. It's been driving me crazy that I can't view videos, except the ones on the YouTube mobile site. I haven't worked in a year so have no TV or Internet. I read a lot of news sites on my phone but can't view any of the videos.

    I especially would love to view what's going on in the upcoming U.S. election.
    Thanks in advance!

    I think you're just going to have to get a playbook
    You'll be glad you did. Trust me and welcome to Crackberry.
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    12-31-11 04:05 AM
  21. NowhereGirl's Avatar
    I think you're just going to have to get a playbook
    You'll be glad you did. Trust me and welcome to Crackberry.
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    I think you're right about getting a playbook. I just checked out BestBuy and it's only $199.99 USD. That may be better than trying to get Internet service without a landline or a cable modem.

    Thank you so much and thanks for the welcome!
    Happy New Year:-)
    12-31-11 05:27 AM
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