Why Has The PlayBook Caused So Much Hatred?

Originally Posted by xandermac

You need a faster tablet ;) or dare I say it, a forum app :D

:D What I really need is help ;) or a faster brain or typing skills. My PB is plenty fast.

Originally Posted by Fat Bastage

It is very simple, Apple is seeing as much as 60% YOY product sales growth across most of it's business lines. This is because of the entire ecosystem and seamless integration of all devices as well as the total user experience. Many competitors are spec chasing to try to one-up themselves over the competition. Apple appears to see where the market is going and in many ways can move the market move in a direction that they desire. Competitors are forced to react to what Apple makes popular. No need for Apple to attempt to spec chase the competition.

Take NFC for example, this is an advantage that RIM has over Apple on the phones. Could Apple add this feature if they wanted? I am sure they could. But, I would suspect that they don't see it being needed at the time. The NFC tech has been around for a decade but it hasn't taken off. No need to put it on the device. Jobs was a big adherent to saying "no" to things that didn't work and this was how he turned around the company.

RIM on the other hand, projects an image of trying to be a leader and innovator, yet their product release track record shows it only to be hype thus far. The playbook is a perfect example of trying to out-spec the competition. How many spec type pre-launch promises were made. (DLNA, 4G sprint, Android player, Flash). This is why they are beaten up for at least not matching the specs of devices that are one year old. I am hoping that the QNX experiment is what RIM is promoting it to be, but I haven't seen proof yet.

I can agree with most. Said it before and will say it again. RIM f'd it up by thinking they had to jump in feet first without looking. Never should've advertised to the mainstream until it was much closer to being ready. Can they rectify what they have done, I don't know. But we will see.

Yep. Lots of trolls in this thread.

"Hatred" in the thread title and what shows up to post?

Damn but this PB is one fine device. Thanks RIM for providing a superior device. The bridge is so clever and the UI so slick. The OS is tops in the tablet space.

Originally Posted by jonqdoe

Distinct minority my a$$

http://forums.crackberry.com/blackbe...riends-664579/

http://forums.crackberry.com/blackbe...-redux-671232/

http://forums.crackberry.com/blackbe...stolen-666680/

and that's on an "enthusiast" website :)

700,000 (?) out of many-many millions is a distinct minority. and that's the truest most accurate unbiased super mega poll you can't deny :)

No matter how silky smooth the UI is. no matter how many power plants run on QNX. No matter how super and unprecedented the Bridge is. The Playbook has failed on all and every account. Thanks to the stupid decision to have the basic functionality only via Bridge and nonexistent efforts to bring in more apps.

It did succeed in what it was supposed to do though. To test the new OS before it's utilized in phones. That's the only thing RIM wanted. Otherwise the total apathy of the company towards its one and only tablet cannot be explained.

Thanks for posting those links again. The results are not as clear cut in favor of the pb as some have suggested:

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Would you still recommend a Playbook to your family or friends?
YES: 148 46.54%
NO: 170 53.46%
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Would you still recommend a playbook to your family or friends?
Yes 114 65.52%
No 60 34.48%
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If your Playbook were lost or stolen, would you:

buy a replacement Playbook 166 57.24%
buy a different tablet 71 24.48%
not buy any tablet | save the money for something else 53 18.28%
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Yes, some point at the polls and say they show support but if there is questionable support, then blame voters who should not have been permitted to vote.

And as mentioned, the market seems to have spoken. Yes, I know Porsche sells fewer cars than Ford but Porsche plans to sell fewer cars.

Do not get me wrong, I would really like the pb to be a successful niche product but that will take more effort than rim has so far provided. They need to do more to entice developers of prime apps. Invest a bit in developers to get back a return on the investment. And I don't mean a few free pb's. Go to the big players and play with them. Use whatever pull they have on the Docs-to-go folks and improve that product and do the same for the adobe reader.

Originally Posted by F2

Thanks for posting those links again. The results are not as clear cut in favor of the pb as some have suggested:

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Would you still recommend a Playbook to your family or friends?
YES: 148 46.54%
NO: 170 53.46%
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Would you still recommend a playbook to your family or friends?
Yes 114 65.52%
No 60 34.48%
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If your Playbook were lost or stolen, would you:

buy a replacement Playbook 166 57.24%
buy a different tablet 71 24.48%
not buy any tablet | save the money for something else 53 18.28%
-------------------------

Yes, some point at the polls and say they show support but if there is questionable support, then blame voters who should not have been permitted to vote.

And as mentioned, the market seems to have spoken. Yes, I know Porsche sells fewer cars than Ford but Porsche plans to sell fewer cars.

Do not get me wrong, I would really like the pb to be a successful niche product but that will take more effort than rim has so far provided. They need to do more to entice developers of prime apps. Invest a bit in developers to get back a return on the investment. And I don't mean a few free pb's. Go to the big players and play with them. Use whatever pull they have on the Docs-to-go folks and improve that product and do the same for the adobe reader.

I was only pointing out that since it was said the results would be favorable because this is a bb fan site that while it is it is also mobile nations and host forums for every competing device. So anyone that is here for those sections can also vote.

Does Ford have sub forums for Chevy, Chrysler etc? Does tipb or whatever it is have sub forums for android and blackberry? Does Maytag have sub forums for GE or Frigidair?

Originally Posted by anindoc

I have never used a PC always a Mac, so I am informed about the billions of app that flood the apple world. For me I never seen use of apps, but I am glad that there are uses for a lot others. For them there are ipads, and for the ones who really are not into apps its the playbook..... how about that.
Come OS2.0 I am sure a lot of apps will be available for the PB, and then it will suffice the needs of many..... but the PB will always stand out, with or without apps or even a BB.

now this i agree with. i was just pointing out that not all apps are useless like u had orininally implied. but yes, on a personal level most can be useless, just not to everyone.

wow. this is a crazy thread. funny, informative, and sad all rolled into one. :D

Originally Posted by kbz1960

I was only pointing out that since it was said the results would be favorable because this is a bb fan site that while it is it is also mobile nations and host forums for every competing device. So anyone that is here for those sections can also vote.

Does Ford have sub forums for Chevy, Chrysler etc? Does tipb or whatever it is have sub forums for android and blackberry? Does Maytag have sub forums for GE or Frigidair?

I doubt the majority of Android, WP, or iOS users even care the BB section exists. I, for one, has never visited the other sections.

But again, the most undeniable poll is the market poll. You canNOT blame it for being biased or inaccurate. It is what it is.

Originally Posted by jonqdoe

I doubt the majority of Android, WP, or iOS users even care the BB section exists. I, for one, has never visited the other sections.

But again, the most undeniable poll is the market poll. You canNOT blame it for being biased or inaccurate. It is what it is.

Has to be the funniest thing I've ever read on here. How long have you been around? What are sporting for a device?

Originally Posted by jonqdoe

I doubt the majority of Android, WP, or iOS users even care the BB section exists. I, for one, has never visited the other sections.

But again, the most undeniable poll is the market poll. You canNOT blame it for being biased or inaccurate. It is what it is.

Beta Max was superior to VHS but the prono industry settled that one. The market isn't always right but the market does have the final say right or wrong.

For instance, had the ifad been released after roid pads and the PB, it would hage been pilloried for its lack of access to basic web content. What we have is not a tablet market but an ifad market. People will settle for less if it is viewed as the only option. I was and early apple user and still appreciate its UI compared to Windows but I made the decision to go PC back in the day because there was more support and momentum behind that platform. Windows wasn't better but it was more successful. Apple almost went out of business despite its better offering.

Originally Posted by kbz1960

Has to be the funniest thing I've ever read on here. How long have you been around? What are sporting for a device?

Not sure what's so funny about what I wrote and why the length of me being around is relevant. If polls are a tool to gauge how great of a device the Playbook is and its success, then they are unnecessary as there are much more accurate and unbiased indicators, which will for sure be better than polls on a fan site. With the market "poll", you don't have to make excuses such as "it's people from the Android/WP/iOS forums that bias the polls".

Originally Posted by shootsscores

Beta Max was superior to VHS but the prono industry settled that one. The market isn't always right but the market does have the final say right or wrong.

For instance, had the ifad been released after roid pads and the PB, it would hage been pilloried for its lack of access to basic web content. What we have is not a tablet market but an ifad market. People will settle for less if it is viewed as the only option. I was and early apple user and still appreciate its UI compared to Windows but I made the decision to go PC back in the day because there was more support and momentum behind that platform. Windows wasn't better but it was more successful. Apple almost went out of business despite its better offering.

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Originally Posted by CanadianThomas

wow. this is a crazy thread. funny, informative, and sad all rolled into one. :D

Couldn't agree with you more.

And this is the whole point of my starting this thread! We can discuss, share, agree, disagree, agree to disagree, disagree to agree, and state our various personal opinions, without getting all bent out of shape. And at the same time we are sharing information!

That's the whole point of a forum!!

At the end of the day, everything is relative. What works for me might not work for you, but still, the world continues to turn!

Originally Posted by jonqdoe

Not sure what's so funny about what I wrote and why the length of me being around is relevant. If polls are a tool to gauge how great of a device the Playbook is and its success, then they are unnecessary as there are much more accurate and unbiased indicators, which will for sure be better than polls on a fan site. With the market "poll", you don't have to make excuses such as "it's people from the Android/WP/iOS forums that bias the polls".

So, what Blackberry devices do you use, or used?

Originally Posted by kbz1960

I was only pointing out that since it was said the results would be favorable because this is a bb fan site that while it is it is also mobile nations and host forums for every competing device. So anyone that is here for those sections can also vote.

Does Ford have sub forums for Chevy, Chrysler etc? Does tipb or whatever it is have sub forums for android and blackberry? Does Maytag have sub forums for GE or Frigidair?

I recall when Crackberry started adding those other device forums, thinking it was kind of odd. But at the same time involved more planning for the future than Rim has done. Kevin/Crackberry knew that limiting the forum solely to coverage of the BB phones would in time prove to be limiting. I would call it prescient. Just providing what customers (of Crackberry) demand and not forcing everyone into the Rim-pigeon-hole.

Originally Posted by F2

I recall when Crackberry started adding those other device forums, thinking it was kind of odd. But at the same time involved more planning for the future than Rim has done. Kevin/Crackberry knew that limiting the forum solely to coverage of the BB phones would in time prove to be limiting. I would call it prescient. Just providing what customers (of Crackberry) demand and not forcing everyone into the Rim-pigeon-hole.

I completely agree. It just might be like a lot of other forums without it, boring.

I do enjoy the banter and opinions what I do not like is the name calling and bashing.

Originally Posted by jonqdoe

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Note to self: do not feed the troll.

Originally Posted by shootsscores

Note to self: do not feed the troll.

...and just now you're catching on? I asked him to delete a few posts that were not appropriate to my thread, and all I've gotten was the Sound of Crickets. Quite the contrarion that one.:rolleyes:

Originally Posted by kbz1960

Has to be the funniest thing I've ever read on here. How long have you been around? What are sporting for a device?

How long someone has "been around" is irrelevant. The numbers do speak for themselves, whether we're talking about numbers of devices being sold or percentages of PB owners who would recommend the device. And, yes, it's also true that most iPad owners are not even aware of this PB debate. In fact, most 10" tablet owners don't pay much attention to 7" tablets--this is a niche market--so, the debate is at least two steps removed from where most tablet owners are standing.

Originally Posted by Unsure2

How long someone has "been around" is irrelevant. The numbers do speak for themselves, whether we're talking about numbers of devices being sold or percentages of PB owners who would recommend the device. And, yes, it's also true that most iPad owners are not even aware of this PB debate. In fact, most 10" tablet owners don't pay much attention to 7" tablets--this is a niche market--so, the debate is at least two steps removed from where most tablet owners are standing.

I just keep wondering then why in the world do these ipads and droid owners come and troll our PB forums........

How long someone is around in these CB forums is relevant from how much do they contribute,do they just sign up to come and bash the PB and troll big time, or have they made an effort to go and post on other threads to help and assist newbies with their devices..... all that I have seen some posters showed up and 99% of all their posts are in threads that deal with PB bashing......... and these are classic examples of trolls- paid or unpaid.

Originally Posted by Unsure2

How long someone has "been around" is irrelevant. The numbers do speak for themselves, whether we're talking about numbers of devices being sold or percentages of PB owners who would recommend the device. And, yes, it's also true that most iPad owners are not even aware of this PB debate. In fact, most 10" tablet owners don't pay much attention to 7" tablets--this is a niche market--so, the debate is at least two steps removed from where most tablet owners are standing.

OK, how long only meant how long have they been reading this forum not how many post they have. I could give a rats a about number of post. Crackberry could take everyone of mine away from my count and it wouldn't matter to me.

I admit the majority of them don't come into these sections but the vocal minority are well.... very vocal.

Most everything on here is opinion anyway. Heck there are many that think any tablet is worthless.

Originally Posted by alnamvet68

...and just now you're catching on? I asked him to delete a few posts that were not appropriate to my thread, and all I've gotten was the Sound of Crickets. Quite the contrarion that one.:rolleyes:

Oh, I see. Your little witch hunt just had another turn. Now, trolls are not only those who are negative about the Playbook, but also those who digress from the thread topic. And I assume, you have never digressed? :)

Originally Posted by kbz1960

I admit the majority of them don't come into these sections but the vocal minority are well.... very vocal.

Doesn't change a thing. My point is that the polls here are absolutely worthless and unnecessary as we have a much superior information to rely on.

Yep polls are worthless. But this thread isn't about polls, it just got injected into it.

Originally Posted by anindoc

I just keep wondering then why in the world do these ipads and droid owners come and troll our PB.

Just like p*nis envy there seems to be QNX envy. They can't be seen using a PB so nobody else should either.

Originally Posted by shootsscores

The vast majority rate their PBs positively. Check the polls for yourself. Facts are fatcs indeed.

I wonder why roidheads and ifans come here. Is it to try to justify their purchase of inferior devices? Sure comes off that way. I wouldn't head to an ifan site to deride the crippled ifad or to a roid site to scoff at their buggy junk unless I was uneasy about QNX.

Love my PB.