- RIM needs to get its house in order first before it can strike favorable deals with content publishers, otherwise the negotiations will be all one sided.
Apple had to work its b*tt off to create an entirely new ecosystem with music and movie providers, and now they've done it with textbook publishers, I just don't see RIM going after something like this at the moment, they are more concerned with hardware. Yes, hardware such as that Porsche Design phone. That's going to be a winner for the company.01-19-12 11:17 PMLike 0 - Superfly_FRRetired ModeratorApple jumps into digital textbooks fray - Yahoo! News
the market potential is incredible. Pair up the software with a stylus based note taking app to annotate on the book and you're golden.
But, of course why do that? Better work on that combover, MIke...
I hope RIM's not going to apple-blush (again ?) that way.01-20-12 03:20 AMLike 0 - This announcement from Apple shows how apps and content drive adoption.
I am seriously thinking of getting myself an iPad just because of this. I have my own auditing practice and If I can have my SAICA Handbooks, Accounting statements and Tax legislation etc on one device for easy reference I will be a happy chappy.
Really can't fault Apple for any of this.
If RIM plan on adopting a similar solution in the future they need to make a 10" device.
Posted from my CrackBerry at wapforums.crackberry.comanon(4018671) likes this.01-20-12 04:27 AMLike 1 - We'll see how this goes for them. It was found in the TOS that if it's made in the program they are putting out for it that it can only be sold in the Apple iBookstore(or whatever its called) and they will be taking 30% of the profit from the sale of said book. I don't know what stores usually get to take as profit from the sale of a book but 30% seems fairly high. It would be great if the publishers were making it in a different program and were able to get the content out to anyone and everyone.
Edit: it does make sense that if you used Apple's program, which is free, it would only be able to be put up in their store.Last edited by eKafara; 01-20-12 at 06:41 AM.
01-20-12 06:27 AMLike 0 - I live in a town that has fallen for the whole digi textbook idiocy. That is exactly what it is. Idiocy. The program has been a complete failure, such that all the new laptops that were provided to the students sit unused, and the paper texts from 2 years ago had to be reissued.
There are no words for how epic the failure was. Students now are convinced more than ever that everyone over 30 is a complete moron.01-20-12 06:29 AMLike 0 -
These arent the reasons that Apple's education program is going to stumble out of the gate. The main reason it won't be as successful right away as some people think is cost. A lot of our education systems are strapped for cash and tightening the budget. In colleges, it may take off, but as far as high schools are concerned, I think it's a while until we see mass adoption of the iPad.Last edited by brucep1; 01-20-12 at 07:15 AM.
teknishun likes this.01-20-12 07:13 AMLike 1 - The iPad 3 is expected to get double the battery life of the current iPad 2. For reading books, that's easily 2 + days on a single charge.
These arent the reasons that Apple's education program is going to stumble out of the gate. The main reason it won't be as successful right away as some people think is cost. A lot of our education systems are strapped for cash and tightening the budget. In colleges, it may take off, but as far as high schools are concerned, I think it's a while until we see mass adoption of the iPad.
Apple gives away more IPads to schools than RIM has sold PB's since they were introduced.01-20-12 07:49 AMLike 0 - I live in a town that has fallen for the whole digi textbook idiocy. That is exactly what it is. Idiocy. The program has been a complete failure, such that all the new laptops that were provided to the students sit unused, and the paper texts from 2 years ago had to be reissued.
There are no words for how epic the failure was. Students now are convinced more than ever that everyone over 30 is a complete moron.
Why were the laptops unused Was it battery life or needing extra space for the laptop?
Can you further describe why students didn't like digital textbooks?01-20-12 08:19 AMLike 0 - I hate this single ecosystem BS this is killing us... you have to use netflix you have to use Skype you have to use amazon... apple is 10 times more towards monopoly that Microsoft ever was...is this the future, people saying we can only have 2 types of phones!! or you can only bring ipads to the classroom!!... there is people that don't even know how to read in the world...this is just another excuse for a overprice education imo...bigbmc26 likes this.01-20-12 08:21 AMLike 1
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- I hate this single ecosystem BS this is killing us... you have to use netflix you have to use Skype you have to use amazon... apple is 10 times more towards monopoly that Microsoft ever was...is this the future, people saying we can only have 2 types of phones!! or you can only bring ipads to the classroom!!... there is people that don't even know how to read in the world...this is just another excuse for a overprice education imo...
The world is moving more and more to digital consumption and it is getting cheaper as the technology progresses. I can't say that about hardcopy textbooks though... They just get more expensive as time goes on.
Apple have once again found a little gap and they look all set to exploit it. Now everybody has to play catch up once again shoukd they wish to enter this segment.
Posted from my CrackBerry at wapforums.crackberry.com01-20-12 12:10 PMLike 0 - Those laboring under the delusion that Zinio and PDFs are remotely equivalent to what Apple announced should probably stop posting long enough to watch the event online. You are embarrassing yourselves. Still if all you want is a scanned textbook, enjoy. That represents the same lack of imagination RIM suffers from, and explains why such things do not come from them.
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I work at a public school and this discussion has been brought up before. Apple really doesnt discount their tablets so not many public schools have the money to blow $500 per kid on something that cant be upgraded hardware wise. Our school is usually able to make ends meet without tax increases and the IT department has desktops that are 4-5 years old. They just keep upgrading RAM and other components as needed.
I see the value in it but until those tablets come down in price I dont see it as viable in the K-12 setting. Besides - if I was on a school board and they came to me wanting to spend hundreds of thousands of dollars on ipads I would shoot it down. Hire more teachers instead.01-20-12 01:08 PMLike 0 -
These arent the reasons that Apple's education program is going to stumble out of the gate. The main reason it won't be as successful right away as some people think is cost. A lot of our education systems are strapped for cash and tightening the budget. In colleges, it may take off, but as far as high schools are concerned, I think it's a while until we see mass adoption of the iPad.Last edited by mjs416; 01-20-12 at 01:13 PM.
01-20-12 01:10 PMLike 0 - I see the value in it but until those tablets come down in price I dont see it as viable in the K-12 setting. Besides - if I was on a school board and they came to me wanting to spend hundreds of thousands of dollars on ipads I would shoot it down. Hire more teachers instead.
By the way, my personal thought is that hiring more teachers is not the answer to better education: you need to hire better quality teachers, and that goes back to how they are trained and how willing they are to adopt new teaching tools. If it was me, I'd probably have all teachers have a Master's degree before they can begin teaching certain level classes...but hey, that's just me.Last edited by PineappleUnderTheSea; 01-20-12 at 03:47 PM.
01-20-12 03:26 PMLike 0 - you don't even want to try this on 7" tablet. Even 10" tablets such as IPad could be pushing the limits for text books.
Anyway, a lot of what comes out of Apple did not happen overnight. They have a bookstore and hardware, so they can do this.
I'm not going to ask RIM to do this, until 10" playbooks are out.
However, I'd like to see the "ITunes University" type of content available on PB, that would be awesome. I can download them from ITunes and put them on PB, but it'd be easier to do that directly on PB, similar to the podcast app.
Don't worry, Android will copy soon enough.
We'll see how this goes for them. It was found in the TOS that if it's made in the program they are putting out for it that it can only be sold in the Apple iBookstore(or whatever its called) and they will be taking 30% of the profit from the sale of said book. I don't know what stores usually get to take as profit from the sale of a book but 30% seems fairly high. It would be great if the publishers were making it in a different program and were able to get the content out to anyone and everyone.
Edit: it does make sense that if you used Apple's program, which is free, it would only be able to be put up in their store.01-20-12 03:54 PMLike 0 - Reading the announcement led me to believe that, initially, students who currently have their own personal iPads will be the ones buying these e-books. So if you have an iPad and $15, you can have yourself an interactive textbook which might make you study a bit more, since you'll likely be spending more time interacting with the thing. It's not a bad idea, but if this is indeed the case then it favors those who are better off.
In searching for negative talking points, many are pretending like the only way this works is for cash-strapped schools to buy every student an iPad. Ridiculous! Not every student has a laptop or a high-speed internet connection. So what? When I was in school, I didn't have a calculator. Turns out I was pretty good at math.
All advances favor those who are better off. It makes no difference if you are talking about technology, medical, social, or otherwise. We pretend that textbooks democratize education. This is quite bogus since many people who graduate still can't read. Textbooks were once an innovation that ONLY favored the well to do. Students who came from wealthier homes with more educated parents have a better chance of being good readers. Only good readers can fully benefit from textbooks.
Only wealthier schools have up-to-date classrooms with modern presentation equipment. Wealthier schools are first to purchase newer books and jettison the outdated more quickly. Guess who gets the outdated books? Are we to have no technical advances because the wealthy benefit from them first? I think not. Students with iPads ALREADY have an advantage as they come from homes stable and wealthy enough to provide such a tool in the first place. Using class warfare to denigrate a wonderful advance in education is a self-defeating strategy.01-20-12 04:01 PMLike 0 - I'm worried about the fragility of the iPad. Of course many students will take better care of them than a textbook, but if that thing breaks you're either out another $500 or you're without textbooks until your warrenty repair comes in.
Posted from my CrackBerry at wapforums.crackberry.com01-20-12 04:29 PMLike 0 - How does the value proposition change if you lose a backpack with $500 worth of books, or a laptop? Lord knows I've lost over $500 worth of books when I was in school. Should kids only carry a paper notebook because it is easy to replace?01-20-12 04:53 PMLike 0
- Those laboring under the delusion that Zinio and PDFs are remotely equivalent to what Apple announced should probably stop posting long enough to watch the event online. You are embarrassing yourselves. Still if all you want is a scanned textbook, enjoy. That represents the same lack of imagination RIM suffers from, and explains why such things do not come from them.
I watched the event/video about Apple's textbook service. I wasn't surprised at all, it's what I expected blah blah animations, and I think it's stupid. It's basically learning for the lazy. Information too easily consumed and easily forgotten
You're showing your ignorance of the non-Apple world when you state RIM suffers from a lack of imagination It's quite possible a lack of imagination is the key ingredient for attraction to the Apple ecosystem/fortressLast edited by anthogag; 01-20-12 at 06:00 PM.
01-20-12 05:57 PMLike 0 - I sometimes download textbooks to save myself a few hundred dollars or if the textbook is too difficult to acquire. i don't know about you but reading off a computer screen hurts my eyes.
Last thing i would want are kids spending hours on the iPad screens, in addition to television screen and computer screen time. And the strained eyes don't just go away when you stop looking at the screen, it persists.
Just my $0.02.01-20-12 06:30 PMLike 0 -
Another powerful argument.
I guess you're right. Why just this past week at CES, RIM showed us all why OS2 and OS 7 comprised the best app platform in the industry. If only Apple had the kind of imagination as thought leaders such as RIM... Sigh.01-20-12 06:34 PMLike 0 - I sometimes download textbooks to save myself a few hundred dollars or if the textbook is too difficult to acquire. i don't know about you but reading off a computer screen hurts my eyes.
Last thing i would want are kids spending hours on the iPad screens, in addition to television screen and computer screen time. And the strained eyes don't just go away when you stop looking at the screen, it persists.
Just my $0.02.
Some of you guys are trying way to hard to find negative talking points. Tell me, would any of this be better if it was promoted on the PB rather than the iPad? I remember when Apple introduced the iPad and detractors said that tablets were stupid. Come to think of it, they said the same thing about iPod, iPhone, and Macbook Air. It is always stupid until your company of choice KIRFs one up for you with a more pleasing logo. Will bBooks textbooks be better, or will these silly arguments persist? I think everyone holding a PB knows the answer to that.01-20-12 06:43 PMLike 0 - Yes it would. Want to know why? $$$$ At least Until Apple stops charging $500 for the base model super sized itouch.01-20-12 07:06 PMLike 0
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