[blackjack93117]

That's hilarious....they like hosting an invasion...

Just wait until we recognize the one we are headed toward hosting ourselves, western world. That won't be funny. China? Mexico (stealth), Sharia fanatics? ? Iran? The enemy within?(socialists) We seem to be taking a French approach to defense here ourselves I would not be mocking France at this point. This is not the country it was, and we no longer have the attitude and awareness we had in WWII days..
just MHO.

[calaviqpfza4]

Couldn't agree more, which is why IPad fans should just go find another forum.

Here's the thing people can't seem to grasp by comparing iPad and PlayBook.
It is apples and oranges! Different devices, different uses, different market, different market window, different sales!!

You can't compare them by sales figures and number of apps available for crying out loud! Neither one makes one "better" than the other. Why are they being compared at all?

It's like comparing a pickup truck with a sports car. Now I've done it - we will be arguing about which is the pickup truck (utility) and which is the sports car (speed) - personally I think Playbook is both

Your fanboy rants are really distorting your logic.

To say these devices can't be compared, because they are different, devices, uses, market, window, or whatever, is totally irrational.

All tablets will be compared to the iPad, because it's the measuring stick. Like it or not. Facts are facts. Until the King is dethroned, the comparison will be made. It's the king, because it's sales numbers are the best, nothing else comes close. More people, more users, and more markets use it more than any other tablet's combined. Why? Sales! Look at the sales numbers, somebody is buying iPads. Business is buying them, schools are buying them, medical is buying them, and governments are buying them.

They are both tablets, you touch the screens on both of them. They both offer wireless access to the interent, media, etc. They are both marketed to consumers and business alike. They both share the same floor space at most retailers.

So tell me how are these so different again? Because you said so? Please.

The Playbook might be the better tablet, but sales don't indicate this...

RIM is in the business of making $$$, not pleasing fanboys, or fanboy websites...

[blackjack93117]

Maybe you should use your noggin to help Rim with the really tough things like email, bluetooth, keyboard etc. Best thing about Playbook right now is I can get some Android apps. Im mad google bought Motorola needed to buy Rim.

God forbid! And adulterate this fine hardware company into the sea of fragile "me too" android devices with crappy displays, keyboards, sound quality, cameras, poor packaging design and construction ...??

Yes I know there may be exceptions, but I love to chuckle as I walk by co- workers desks and see the broken and abandoned androids due to physical wreckage - it looks like a battlefield.

I will take good hardware on my device anyday - I don't want to have buy a new one every six months.. My 9700 still running like the day I bought it after three years. Playbook will be the same, I can wait for the software.

Why do we love blackberries? ITHWS! It's the hardware stupid! Ask Kevin.

[blackjack93117]

Your fanboy rants are really distorting your logic.

To say these devices can't be compared, because they are different, devices, uses, market, window, or whatever, is totally irrational.

All tablets will be compared to the iPad, because it's the measuring stick. Like it or not. Facts are facts. Until the King is dethroned, the comparison will be made. It's the king, because it's sales numbers are the best, nothing else comes close. More people, more users, and more markets use it more than any other tablet's combined. Why? Sales! Look at the sales numbers, somebody is buying iPads. Business is buying them, schools are buying them, medical is buying them, and governments are buying them.

They are both tablets, you touch the screens on both of them. They both offer wireless access to the interent, media, etc. They are both marketed to consumers and business alike. They both share the same floor space at most retailers.

So tell me how are these so different again? Because you said so? Please.

The Playbook might be the better tablet, but sales don't indicate this...

RIM is in the business of making $$$, not pleasing fanboys, or fanboy websites...

wow use your imagination. Are you kidding me? Some people buy a tab for portable professional use exclusively, some buy one for snuggling up by the fireplace to play games, play with a million useless but entertaining apps, read a book. If I was a fanboy I would not give the iPad the latter category. I do recognize where the iPad is better suited. That does not mean Playbook is not better suited for other things. YOU are the fanboy, because you will not give Playbook it's due. Sales numbers and number of apps are your measuring stick? You will win everytime with that stick and you know it fanboy..I did not argue the fact that more people use iPad that would be ridiculous , I argue that it has absolutely no relevance on the quality or utility of the Playbook or even the preference of Playbook over ipad to those who use it. To compare them, and say one is superior because of number of units sold is ridiculous. Your fanboyism is distorting your logic.

Different device, different market, different market window. (How long has iPad been out compared to Playbook?) = different sales figures . Do the math. Not everyone cares how many stupid apps are available, they only care about the ones they need and that they are running on solid hardware .

[blackjack93117]

They are both tablets, you touch the screens on both of them. They both offer wireless access to the interent, media, etc. They are both marketed to consumers and business alike. They both share the same floor space at most retailers.

So tell me how are these so different again? Because you said so? Please.

Ok if you insist on me making you look like a fool, where do I begin?

Different form factor (way different).
Touch sensitive bezel
Different OS
Bridges to phone via bluetooth thus not requiring a redundant data plan
AWESOME HD video camera
Display with superior clarity and contrast
Two microphones instead of one for great spatial audio
Two speakers front facing instead of one (not sure about that one dont care enough to know what iPad has on it because it doesn't have the above listed)
Superior security qualified by governments
Superior ruggedness

umm plays flash....

Must I go on?

I don't have time for this, someone fill in for me and help the "non-fanboy". All tabs are the same because they have touchscreens and share the same retail space? really?

[TheScionicMan]

Nothing brings out the haters more than someone enjoying their PB. Lame...

[calaviqpfza4]

wow use your imagination. Are you kidding me? Some people buy a tab for portable professional use exclusively, some buy one for snuggling up by the fireplace to play games, play with a million useless but entertaining apps, read a book. If I was a fanboy I would not give the iPad the latter category. I do recognize where the iPad is better suited. That does not mean Playbook is not better suited for other things. YOU are the fanboy, because you will not give Playbook it's due. Sales number and number of apps are your measuring stick? You will win everytime with that stick and you know it fanboy..I did not argue the fact that more people use iPad that would be ridiculous , I argue that it has absolutely no relevance on the quality or utility of the Playbook or even the preference of Playbook over ipad to those who use it. To compare them, and say one is superior because of number of units sold is ridiculous. Your fanboyism is distorting your logic.

Different device, different market, different market window. (How long has iPad been out compared to Playbook?) = different sales figures . Do the math. Not everyone cares how many stupid apps are available, they only care about the ones they need and that they are running on solid hardware .

So the App World currently has all the apps you need right? I know they don't for me...

Since the Playbook has been out since April 19, 2011 and the iPad the year before, I don't have an exact date. Here are the recent sales figures just for the last quater alone:

Playbook: "Shipped" 500,000 units during their fiscal 2011 first quarter ended May 28, 2011.

iPad: 9.25 million sold during their fiscal 2011 third quarter ended June 25, 2011.

Not everyone cares how many stupid apps are available, they only care about the ones they need and that they are running on solid hardware .

And the apps they need are on other platforms at the moment... Heck, the Playbook doesn't even have email...

As far as your portability argument goes, it's only a portable device if you can find free WiFi, or need an 2nd device to give it 3G access. Not truly portable...

Sorry, but these devices compete for the same consumer money at BestBuy, not some fantasy market you perceive.

[frfghtr]

Nothing brings out the haters more than someone enjoying their PB. Lame...

Sigh. Life is so much easier for Lemmings.

Quick, everyone over the cliff.

[TheScionicMan]

Sorry, but these devices compete for the same consumer money at BestBuy, not some fantasy market you perceive.

And is it your contention that the iPad is the best choice for everyone, regardless of their needs?

[calaviqpfza4]

Ok if you insist on me making you look like a fool, where do I begin?

Different form factor (way different).
Touch sensitive bezel
Different OS
Bridges to phone via bluetooth thus not requiring a redundant data plan
AWESOME HD video camera
Two microphones instead of one for great spatial audio
Two speakers front facing instead of one (not sure about that one dont care enough to know what iPad has on it because it doesn't have the above listed)
Superior security qualified by governments
Superior ruggedness

umm plays flash....

Must I go on?

I don't have time for this, someone fill in for me and help the "non-fanboy". All tabs are the same because they share the same retail space? really?

Ya go on, because you're not convincing me, funny comment you don't have time. I know you have time, seeing as you respond to almost every thread... "Let's compare thanks and likes..." LOL

So you're telling me because it has "Awesome HD camera" (That can't focus, and stutters quite a bit) it's not in the same market\class as an iPad?

What about a 7" Samsung device, is it in the same market\class? The Android devices do flash, same size, so are they in a class with the Playbook or without?

I don't get it. It's a tablet, you touch it. It's in the same market, as all other tablets. It's marketed to the same people as all other tablets.

But according to you there are 4 tablet markets. Playbook OS, Android, WebOs, and iOS... Interesting view, and don't forget about that great selling feature I see on their future TV commercials... "Now FIPS certified..."

[calaviqpfza4]

And is it your contention that the iPad is the best choice for everyone, regardless of their needs?

Not at all. We all have different needs. However the majority of the public has shown the iPad suits their needs. As limited as it might be. But to say that the Playbook isn't in the same category as all other tablet's is crazy fanboy justification at best.

[CrackedBarry]

Well if the iPad and the Playbook are two completely different kinds of devices, that would surely explain why the Playbook isn't selling! People go to Best Buy, ask for a tablet, and the clerk takes them to the iPads, ignoring the lone Playbook demo model, since it's a completely different beast...

So how does this go... iPad: Tablet... Portable computer system supplemented by vast ecosystem.
Playbook: 7 inch browser. Something like that?

Posted from my CrackBerry at wapforums.crackberry.com

[blackjack93117]

Ya go on, because you're not convincing me, funny comment you don't have time. I know you have time, seeing as you respond to almost every thread... "Let's compare thanks and likes..." LOL

So you're telling me because it has "Awesome HD camera" (That can't focus, and stutters quite a bit) it's not in the same market\class as an iPad?

What about a 7" Samsung device, is it in the same market\class? The Android devices do flash, same size, so are they in a class with the Playbook or without?

I don't get it. It's a tablet, you touch it. It's in the same market, as all other tablets. It's marketed to the same people as all other tablets.

But according to you there are 4 tablet markets. Playbook OS, Android, WebOs, and iOS... Interesting view, and don't forget about that great selling feature I see on their future TV commercials... "Now FIPS certified..."

I don't have time for YOU or silly ipad comparisons, there are more fun and important and interesting topics...I don't CARE about ipad. I did what I could to put an end to this ridiculous comparing, but with the mentality involved I see it will never happen C-ya

First we compare apples and oranges, when that doesn't work then we compare apples and strawberries and peaches and plums ?
Yikes I could spend my life in here...I said nothing about any other tab other than ipad and now you're putting words in my mouth? "according to you?" I said lets compare likes and thanks to one person who called me a troll and you say it is my response to "almost every thread" Show me all the threads where I said that. If you cant argue, change the argument, huh? Make it personal huh? Put words in the opponents mouth, take them out of context. Typical tactics. You're either a moron or a politician..nothing personal though, of course.

wait, before I go, why are you in the playbook forums again? To convince people they made a mistake? Or to make yourself feel better about the mistake you made?

[TheScionicMan]

I guess I'm just confused at what exactly you're debating against. The OP said he had some good experiences with his PB and you're all up in this thread arguing it. Even going to the extent of assuming he watched UFC in front of 5-yr olds without taking into account the concept of walls and doors which could easily separate one from the other.

[calaviqpfza4]

You're a moron.

Typical. Resort to name calling... Classy!

"ridicule is for those who lack character" too funny!!!

[ericlc2]

Consumers are slowly starting to realize the ipad is for the kids. The playbook is for the heavy hitters, the people who know a powerhouse when they see one, they know the beast is yet to be released. For this OS is still an infant and hasn't had time to truly shine yet. But it will.

[sam_b77]

Just wait until we recognize the one we are headed toward hosting ourselves, western world. That won't be funny. China? Mexico (stealth), Sharia fanatics? ? Iran? The enemy within?(socialists) We seem to be taking a French approach to defense here ourselves I would not be mocking France at this point. This is not the country it was, and we no longer have the attitude and awareness we had in WWII days..
just MHO.

I can mock the French. I'm Indian and surprisingly one of the few who actually live in India . The others are in USA owning motels or at this moment packing their bags to go to USA.
You guys seriously need to work on your open door policy. It'll all go down the tubes someday, and we are all but pushing the extra Indians (we have a lot of them) your way.

[sam_b77]

Ya go on, because you're not convincing me, funny comment you don't have time. I know you have time, seeing as you respond to almost every thread... "Let's compare thanks and likes..." LOL

So you're telling me because it has "Awesome HD camera" (That can't focus, and stutters quite a bit) it's not in the same market\class as an iPad?

What about a 7" Samsung device, is it in the same market\class? The Android devices do flash, same size, so are they in a class with the Playbook or without?

I don't get it. It's a tablet, you touch it. It's in the same market, as all other tablets. It's marketed to the same people as all other tablets.

But according to you there are 4 tablet markets. Playbook OS, Android, WebOs, and iOS... Interesting view, and don't forget about that great selling feature I see on their future TV commercials... "Now FIPS certified..."

Say what you will about the PB and its faults, but the camera aint one of them.
I used the camera to shoot a video of a machine I had ordered, and it was flawless. Full HD, and the playback surprised me. It was very clear. Trust me. Try it for yourself sometime.
And I have never experienced any stutter or lag. Just wanted to pitch in with my experience of the camera.
Now back to our regular programming. Let the bashing begin....

[brucep1]

Consumers are slowly starting to realize the ipad is for the kids. The playbook is for the heavy hitters, the people who know a powerhouse when they see one, they know the beast is yet to be released. For this OS is still an infant and hasn't had time to truly shine yet. But it will.

"The beast" has been released, back in April..The "heavy hitters" haven't seemed to catch onto this "powerhouse".

[blackjack93117]

I can mock the French. I'm Indian and surprisingly one of the few who actually live in India . The others are in USA owning motels or at this moment packing their bags to go to USA.
You guys seriously need to work on your open door policy. It'll all go down the tubes someday, and we are all but pushing the extra Indians (we have a lot of them) your way.

Ah yes we've noticed lol I forgot about the Indians. You're not the only country pushing people our way trust me. I can't find anyone without an accent anymore or that knows anything about US history ... Can I move to India when it is vacant? lol

Wait a minute..
"Say what you will about the PB and its faults, but the camera aint one of them."

Indians don't say "aint " you're from Texas lol

[blackjack93117]

Consumers are slowly starting to realize the ipad is for the kids. The playbook is for the heavy hitters, the people who know a powerhouse when they see one, they know the beast is yet to be released. For this OS is still an infant and hasn't had time to truly shine yet. But it will.

Which explains the sales differential.. a lot more kids out there than heavy hitters. My question is, why are they in here?

[blackjack93117]

Typical. Resort to name calling... Classy!

"ridicule is for those who lack character" too funny!!!

Learn the difference between ridicule and factual statements.

Go eat your milk and cookies and play with your ipad. THAT would be ridicule.
To say I feel like Bugs Bunny messin' with Elmer Fudd would be ridicule also.

To say you're a moron is a FACT. See the difference?

afterthought: Hmm not a bad illustration of wit either ....

[calaviqpfza4]

Learn the difference between ridicule and facts.

You resorted to name calling. That's ridicule and that's a fact. Now move on, unless you want to compare "Likes and Thanks..." LOL!!!

[Revord]

Perhaps a thread lock is in order? No offense to the op, I am genuinely glad that you get joy and pleasure from your playbook. The problem is the rest of the individuals who bring torches and pitchforks and try to beat each other down, and/or force others to their point of view.

I have no issue with iPad owners, glad they enjoy their tablet. If it is what you want, and you enjoy it, fine, please don't force your point of view, or facts on others. Same goes for pb owners. We all spend our hard earned money on products that we believe is for us. Sometimes, that unfortunately turns out to not be the case, but don't fault some else for their decision on how to spend their money.

[Branta]

Perhaps a thread lock is in order? No offense to the op, I am genuinely glad that you get joy and pleasure from your playbook. The problem is the rest of the individuals who bring torches and pitchforks and try to beat each other down, and/or force others to their point of view.

I have no issue with iPad owners, glad they enjoy their tablet. If it is what you want, and you enjoy it, fine, please don't force your point of view, or facts on others. Same goes for pb owners. We all spend our hard earned money on products that we believe is for us. Sometimes, that unfortunately turns out to not be the case, but don't fault some else for their decision on how to spend their money.

At last, a rational coment. Your suggestion of lockdown is good, and implemented.