07-23-11 03:47 PM
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  1. sportline's Avatar
    what we now is that mr bidan will be a big fish in samsung, toying with many tablets and galaxy s2
    07-20-11 06:21 AM
  2. pbfan's Avatar
    He was confused with the way the question was asked and probably forgot what he had said exactly.

    Promised, or scheduled, does it really matter? It's not so much that he was wrong, it's that he denied saying it. He had such a great opportunity to explain how he should not have given a time frame and that he was mistaken, and instead he just pretends that he never said it, and tries to deflect the question. What happened was he's the marketing side, NOT the tech side (Mike L is tech) and he had NO business even throwing out a number, and he pulled a number out of his you know WHAT! Take you medicine Jim, you made a mistake, it's ok, we still love you, just don't lie to us! You said it, it's on tape for Christ sake!

    [action]steps off soap box[/action]
    07-20-11 06:30 AM
  3. lawguyman's Avatar
    He was confused with the way the question was asked and probably forgot what he had said exactly.
    He was confused but he denied it. On the latest Podcast, Kevin said that he thought that Balsillie just made up the 60 days to begin with and that no one else at RIM was in on this. This kind of makes sense. It is harder to remember a lie than it is to remember the truth. It was as if he was struggling to remember some story that he had concocted. I can imagine the reaction of the poor guys at RIM responsible for the email project when they heard this!
    07-20-11 06:39 AM
  4. sportline's Avatar
    hey maybe he missed a digit. not 60 days, 600 days. to err is human.
    07-20-11 06:46 AM
  5. pkcable's Avatar
    sportline, and I'm not necesarily talking about this thread, but you are drawing near that troll line again. Please be more careful, I KNOW you have a sense of humor, but lets try not to take it too far.
    07-20-11 07:42 AM
  6. kb5zht's Avatar
    He was confused but he denied it. On the latest Podcast, Kevin said that he thought that Balsillie just made up the 60 days to begin with and that no one else at RIM was in on this. This kind of makes sense. It is harder to remember a lie than it is to remember the truth. It was as if he was struggling to remember some story that he had concocted. I can imagine the reaction of the poor guys at RIM responsible for the email project when they heard this!
    you know that makes a lot of sense.

    Imagine being at work, a coder for rim, working on pim stuff and hearing a remark like that.

    "What?!?! 60 days?!?! He expects us to have that out in two months?!?!"

    Posted from my CrackBerry at wapforums.crackberry.com
    07-20-11 07:53 AM
  7. rickgainsmith's Avatar
    Troll Police... Do you get a uniform? Holster for your Playbook? That would be cool.

    What date does Summer end in Canada, that will be the next promise/schedule/hope/rumor/denial deadline.

    On the plus side, flash has never worked better with the new update! Movies are smooth and better quality. Even Orb streams movies better from my Pc, even the small updates are welcome in my book Rim.

    Posted from my CrackBerry at wapforums.crackberry.com
    07-20-11 07:56 AM
  8. whackamac's Avatar
    But this is what gets me annoyed, people complain when rim releases half baked updates such as the latest bridge update and then they complain that they aren't release enough updates with features that we all expected. Personally i dont mind waiting for features that my phone can do i mean after all that's why i have a phone and i mean i have said it before and ill say it again you have to give rim some credit they are no way the biggest player and they dont have the resources to pump out all the features we want at the quality that we have come to expect as fast as company's like apple and Google who happen to be two of the largest tech company in the world. So i say keep up the good work Rim i look forward to the PIM and android player updates but until then im just going to keep using my playbook as my laptop at uni, my media player at home, my gaming machine on the train to uni, my web browser while i watch tv etc etc.

    well that's my rant for the day over
    Your post is pointless. We have seen videos of many unreleased features working quite nicely. Videos from RIM that is. The features are built, just not released for some reason only conspiracy can answer right now seeing RIM will not make a peep.
    07-20-11 09:17 AM
  9. lawguyman's Avatar
    Your post is pointless. We have seen videos of many unreleased features working quite nicely. Videos from RIM that is. The features are built, just not released for some reason only conspiracy can answer right now seeing RIM will not make a peep.
    Those videos show that those features are not ready to be released. They are clearly not finished yet. No conspiracy.
    07-20-11 09:42 AM
  10. kbz1960's Avatar
    You do realize that this is supposed to be a BlackBerry also, right? RIM can't come out with a simple POP mail client. They would get hit hard for not taking advantage of their infrastructure for push email. RIM keeps telling people that you don't need a BB to use the PB, but it's suppose to be an enterprise grade tablet. If they are going to do native email, then they should do it right and do it the BlackBerry way fully leveraging one of their greatest strengths. That means they have to assure businesses and government that email will be secure.
    So in other words RIM can not cater to the avg consumer and business/government at the same time? I think they can, it's called IT policy and companies use it all the time disable features on computers they don't want their employees using.
    07-20-11 10:09 AM
  11. kbz1960's Avatar
    who do you want to talk to at RIM? the senior product manager just quit.
    In June we reported that Brian Wallace, RIMs vice president of digital marketing and media, left the BlackBerry maker for greener pastures at Samsung. Now Samsung has poached another RIM exec, and this time its the BlackBerry PlayBook senior product manager Ryan Bidan. According to CrackBerry, Bidan recently updated his Twitter and LinkedIn profiles to reflect that he will soon serve as Samsungs director of product marketing.
    Can't believe another company would want RIM employees, esp. marketing and media people.
    07-20-11 10:22 AM
  12. ifarlow's Avatar
    Possible reasons:

    1. The people leaving for other companies are actually really good at what they do, but RIM is keeping their talents suppressed, so the other companies are making excellent decisions, or
    2. The people leaving for other companies are terrible at what they do and the other companies are making horrible decisions.


    My money is on some form of the first possibility.
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    07-20-11 10:25 AM
  13. howarmat's Avatar
    Ryan is a great pickup for any company i would guess...Samsung seems to be cherry picking some people and they might be building up something really great. Just have to give it some time to see
    07-20-11 10:30 AM
  14. joshua_sx1's Avatar
    (just a thought: if Samsung will become more competent because of that moves, I wish "playbook" should come with them...)
    07-20-11 11:14 AM
  15. tprime's Avatar
    People talk about "faith" in a company...sorry but you sound pathetic

    Lets get real. There has never been a perfect blackberry. There never will be. One day the playbook will be scrapped or replaced with playbook 2 having pim, native email, android player, angry birds, skype, kindle etc...

    And then people will still complain....
    PB is what it is. What was "promised" can still come. When? Who knows?
    Get Over or or sell your PB and buy an IPAD or Galaxy tab or whatever!!!!!!



    In fact there has never been a perfect device....there will never be.
    bbeezy likes this.
    07-20-11 11:25 AM
  16. shupor's Avatar
    Dear RIM,

    I'm sick and tired of all the whining here on Crackberry about wanting updates, then when you provide them people whining that it isn't enough. I know that the Crypto Kernel for the Tablet OS is almost approved and that not having it approved is probably holding up some key features for the Playbook. Will you please address the Crackberry community and let them know what features are on hold until you have the FIPS 140-2 certificate issued by NIST in hand? This will not only go a long way to actually communicating with people who adopted the Playbook expecting these features to be available, but it will provide education to others about why some of these certifications are important to you as a company and your products. Not communicating with the public and customers just lets them criticize you and your products with their own misguided assumptions.
    That's a load of bull!!! What features is it holding up? How do you explain the other manufacturers that have devices without the certification? Heck how do explain RIM releasing devices without the certification?

    The certification does nothing to stop them from adding features just prevents certain groups who would prefer to see the certifications from adopting the products.

    Given the abysmal sales of the PlayBook as is, they have absolutely nothing to lose by deploying those features pending NIST certification.
    07-21-11 09:04 AM
  17. lnichols's Avatar
    That's a load of bull!!! What features is it holding up?
    That's what I'm asking!

    How do you explain the other manufacturers that have devices without the certification?
    When your existing user base has low to no expectations for security, and the devices can be jailbroken/rooted in minutes, then you can release whatever. They're not known for security. RIM is known for security.

    Heck how do explain RIM releasing devices without the certification?
    They release all of their devices without the certification and the old BBOS ones get approved quickly because the crypto kernel is a newer version of the previous approved one which speeds the process. The TabletOS one is totally new and has nothing previous to leverage.

    I just want some communication from RIM. I want to know if this is holding things up, and if so what. If not, what is the holdup? I think that in RIM's security focused thinking that it is holding up some stuff. Does it have to hold things up, no.
    Last edited by lnichols; 07-21-11 at 10:33 AM.
    07-21-11 09:58 AM
  18. lawguyman's Avatar
    I just want some communication from RIM. . .
    Ditto!

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    07-21-11 10:02 AM
  19. shupor's Avatar
    I just want some communication from RIM
    I am with you 100% on that. (y)
    07-21-11 10:11 AM
  20. samab's Avatar
    I just want some communication from RIM. I want to know if this is holding things up, and if so what. If not, what is the holdup? I think that in RIM's security focused thinking that it is holding up some stuff. Does it have to hold things up, no.
    We know that's it's not FIPS certification because of past product launches.

    There are a million reasons why this thing is delayed. On the NOC side, it's the one PIN per user restriction in the current email infrastructure and they are migrating to BBID. On the client side, Playbook's "native email" isn't a native c app, isn't an AIR app, isn't a web app --- it is a java app running inside the "blackberry player" java vm. So if the jvm isn't ready, then it's delayed --- even if the java app is ready.
    07-21-11 11:04 AM
  21. lnichols's Avatar
    We know that's it's not FIPS certification because of past product launches.

    There are a million reasons why this thing is delayed. On the NOC side, it's the one PIN per user restriction in the current email infrastructure and they are migrating to BBID. On the client side, Playbook's "native email" isn't a native c app, isn't an AIR app, isn't a web app --- it is a java app running inside the "blackberry player" java vm. So if the jvm isn't ready, then it's delayed --- even if the java app is ready.
    Well we will find out soon because as of noon, June 21 2011, the Playbook is the only tablet on the market with a native, FIPS approved Crypto Kernel.

    OK RIM. Can't use security as an excuse now. You can encrypt and store data on this bad boy and have given the Feds the CYA they need. Time to start delivering!
    07-21-11 11:46 AM
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    07-21-11 11:56 AM
  23. shebmiller's Avatar
    And now we (keep) play(ing) the waiting game... (again)
    07-21-11 12:10 PM
  24. mjs416's Avatar
    Also, maybe you should lookup the definition of "promise". A person doesn't have to say the word "promise" verbally to relay the message. I'm sure you didn't verbally tell your bank "I promise to make my mortgage/car payments", or your children "I promise to always protect you".
    I believe the paperwork you sign for a mortgage is a promissary note. A signed legally bounding contract is much different than some schmuck CEO saying something will be out in 60 days.
    07-21-11 12:36 PM
  25. mjs416's Avatar
    Possible reasons:

    1. The people leaving for other companies are actually really good at what they do, but RIM is keeping their talents suppressed, so the other companies are making excellent decisions, or
    2. The people leaving for other companies are terrible at what they do and the other companies are making horrible decisions.


    My money is on some form of the first possibility.
    You are an optimist. I find the second possibility more realistic.
    07-21-11 12:38 PM
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