RIM, Just tell people what waiting for the Crypto Kernel approval is holding up!!!
- Dear RIM,
I'm sick and tired of all the whining here on Crackberry about wanting updates, then when you provide them people whining that it isn't enough. I know that the Crypto Kernel for the Tablet OS is almost approved and that not having it approved is probably holding up some key features for the Playbook. Will you please address the Crackberry community and let them know what features are on hold until you have the FIPS 140-2 certificate issued by NIST in hand? This will not only go a long way to actually communicating with people who adopted the Playbook expecting these features to be available, but it will provide education to others about why some of these certifications are important to you as a company and your products. Not communicating with the public and customers just lets them criticize you and your products with their own misguided assumptions.07-19-11 10:30 AMLike 17 - No I don't work for RIM. I do contracting for the Federal Government and have been dealing with the requirement of FIPS approval, and the agony of waiting for it for many devices (not smartphones though) for a while. I'm waiting on other devices to get approval now and can't deploy them until they are approved.tstrike34 likes this.07-19-11 10:55 AMLike 1
- That right! and maybe they're waiting for the Crypto Kernel before they release some kind of ability to organize my browser bookmarks too, so back off!!kevinnugent likes this.07-19-11 11:33 AMLike 1
- Why does a WiFI only device called a PLAYbook need a crypto kernel? Considering the BB is already encrypted, therefore it makes sense that Bridge communications are already encrypted, wouldn't it make sense that other "on device" features don't necessarily need to wait for crypto? Spellcheck doesn't need to be secure, a POP-Mail (IMAP etc) doesn't need to wait (unless the user chooses to wait), 3rd party apps don't need to wait... Doesn't make much sense to me when the current communications are already encrypted.kbz1960 likes this.07-19-11 11:42 AMLike 1
- Dear RIM,
I'm sick and tired of all the whining here on Crackberry about wanting updates, then when you provide them people whining that it isn't enough. I know that the Crypto Kernel for the Tablet OS is almost approved and that not having it approved is probably holding up some key features for the Playbook. Will you please address the Crackberry community and let them know what features are on hold until you have the FIPS 140-2 certificate issued by NIST in hand? This will not only go a long way to actually communicating with people who adopted the Playbook expecting these features to be available, but it will provide education to others about why some of these certifications are important to you as a company and your products. Not communicating with the public and customers just lets them criticize you and your products with their own misguided assumptions.07-19-11 11:50 AMLike 0 -
We are asking for what we were SOLD ON by RIM. We're not asking for anything far fetched. Just what RIM promised.07-19-11 11:58 AMLike 0 - Why does a WiFI only device called a PLAYbook need a crypto kernel? Considering the BB is already encrypted, therefore it makes sense that Bridge communications are already encrypted, wouldn't it make sense that other "on device" features don't necessarily need to wait for crypto? Spellcheck doesn't need to be secure, a POP-Mail (IMAP etc) doesn't need to wait (unless the user chooses to wait), 3rd party apps don't need to wait... Doesn't make much sense to me when the current communications are already encrypted.slbailey1 likes this.07-19-11 12:04 PMLike 1
- And I'm asking RIM to provide some communication on what features are being held up because of this certification.07-19-11 12:05 PMLike 2
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Why is this so hard to understand? And dont tell me about a new platform taking time, it is well known that even before september of 2010 when they announced what we already knew they had been working on it for months.
The problem isnt the playbook, qnx or the man in the moon, it is the bad administration in tje company, the lack of operational discipline and responsibility of middle management.
The two tools running rim cant make up their mind what they want to do and the middle level bosses wont stay on the codrs to do their friggin job.
Posted from my CrackBerry at wapforums.crackberry.comLast edited by kb5zht; 07-19-11 at 12:29 PM.
07-19-11 12:08 PMLike 4 - You do realize that this is supposed to be a BlackBerry also, right? RIM can't come out with a simple POP mail client. They would get hit hard for not taking advantage of their infrastructure for push email. RIM keeps telling people that you don't need a BB to use the PB, but it's suppose to be an enterprise grade tablet. If they are going to do native email, then they should do it right and do it the BlackBerry way fully leveraging one of their greatest strengths. That means they have to assure businesses and government that email will be secure.raremage likes this.07-19-11 12:08 PMLike 1
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Thanks for the info, too, i wasnt aware the phones were released without it as well.
Posted from my CrackBerry at wapforums.crackberry.com07-19-11 12:31 PMLike 0 - As others had already stated, RIM had in the past released products that weren't originally FIPS certified --- it just means that if a certain government department requires FIPS on their devices, then they can't deploy the Playbook right now.
Also, the current theory is that this is mainly a server side issue with the old one PIN per user email infrastructure --- which has nothing to do with the client side crypto kernel at all.07-19-11 12:38 PMLike 0 - What RIM promised they have delivered. The Promise was that these features you want/expect will be available this summer. Summer is not over, yet. And just in case you may be referring to the "promise" of 60 day native email, the words "promise" were never said by RIM's co-CEO's.07-19-11 12:52 PMLike 0
- The phones are released with a crypto kernel that is very close in revision to the previous approved versions, and is on the BBOS so their is an extremely high degree of confidence in them and they require less testing. He is referring to the Torch (seen this brought up by him before) which had Kernel 3.8.6.5. The Previous approved version prior to that was 3.8.5.85 on the Storm2. Government agencies wouldn't have been able to use the Torch till approved, if they are following the rules, but their is an extremely high degree of confidence the device will pass since it is a minor revision. Something that has been FIPS approved usually can get through revisions much quicker. I bet the OS7 devices will have a 3.8.7.X or 3.8.6.X crypto kernel so they should be quick. This is a totally new product so the process is longer since they aren't leveraging a previous approved line of code. The product I'm waiting on went into testing, they found issues, fixed then and is now back into testing. My guess is that RIM had some issue that were found early, and had some delays too. The Playbook is now out of testing, and they are in Coordination with NIST which means they are righting up the security docs and such now.
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grover5 likes this.07-19-11 01:17 PMLike 1 -
Also, maybe you should lookup the definition of "promise". A person doesn't have to say the word "promise" verbally to relay the message. I'm sure you didn't verbally tell your bank "I promise to make my mortgage/car payments", or your children "I promise to always protect you". (if you have children, that is. if not, I'm sure you get my point). Point is, it's perfectly ok for them to assume, just like it's perfectly ok for US to assume that when the highest ranking officers of a corporation (that each of us dish out thousands of dollars toward) say something is going to get done, it will get done.
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Noun: A declaration or assurance that one will do a particular thing or that guarantees that a particular thing will happen.07-19-11 01:33 PMLike 0 - SlcCorradoBlackBerryThe phones are released with a crypto kernel that is very close in revision to the previous approved versions, and is on the BBOS so their is an extremely high degree of confidence in them and they require less testing. He is referring to the Torch (seen this brought up by him before) which had Kernel 3.8.6.5. The Previous approved version prior to that was 3.8.5.85 on the Storm2. Government agencies wouldn't have been able to use the Torch till approved, if they are following the rules, but their is an extremely high degree of confidence the device will pass since it is a minor revision. Something that has been FIPS approved usually can get through revisions much quicker. I bet the OS7 devices will have a 3.8.7.X or 3.8.6.X crypto kernel so they should be quick. This is a totally new product so the process is longer since they aren't leveraging a previous approved line of code. The product I'm waiting on went into testing, they found issues, fixed then and is now back into testing. My guess is that RIM had some issue that were found early, and had some delays too. The Playbook is now out of testing, and they are in Coordination with NIST which means they are righting up the security docs and such now.07-19-11 01:44 PMLike 0
- The phones are released with a crypto kernel that is very close in revision to the previous approved versions, and is on the BBOS so their is an extremely high degree of confidence in them and they require less testing. He is referring to the Torch (seen this brought up by him before) which had Kernel 3.8.6.5. The Previous approved version prior to that was 3.8.5.85 on the Storm2. Government agencies wouldn't have been able to use the Torch till approved, if they are following the rules, but their is an extremely high degree of confidence the device will pass since it is a minor revision. Something that has been FIPS approved usually can get through revisions much quicker. I bet the OS7 devices will have a 3.8.7.X or 3.8.6.X crypto kernel so they should be quick. This is a totally new product so the process is longer since they aren't leveraging a previous approved line of code. The product I'm waiting on went into testing, they found issues, fixed then and is now back into testing. My guess is that RIM had some issue that were found early, and had some delays too. The Playbook is now out of testing, and they are in Coordination with NIST which means they are righting up the security docs and such now.07-19-11 01:47 PMLike 0
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- I would like to see this too. I have no problem with the fact that they didn't have everything ready from the get go, but it has been 90 days and I feel that we early adopters are owed some communication from RIM on what's going on and what's the holdup.07-19-11 02:12 PMLike 0
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