1. Accidental Post's Avatar
    "This copyrighted post is the property of Accidental Post. Any rebroadcast or reproduction without the consent of Accidental Post is strictly prohibited "

    Does this I just violated your copyright?
    Yes F2 shame on you my lawyers will be in contact...
    11-30-11 08:21 PM
  2. Accidental Post's Avatar
    Man SS can even tick off fans of the PB.......your mentor has taught you how to have a condescending attitude quickly.

    And just to help you along SS my "iFad" can receive a document through native email and I can sign it on the iPad with my finger and return the document signed sealed and delivered in about 5 mins. Can your "professional" PB do that?
    Last edited by Accidental Post; 11-30-11 at 08:28 PM.
    11-30-11 08:22 PM
  3. jivegirl14's Avatar
    I agree that getting it into the hands of consumers is better than any commercial but it could have been so much better by pricing it right from the get go. I imported mine and paid a packet, which I don't regret, but I really don't think that the 16GB model is worth $499 with the baron wasteland that is App World and the lack of basic functionality.

    All that said, I think it could turn out to be a winner, but RIM need to get OS 2 spot on and they have to introduce something unique... (Bridge over WiFi hotspot would be a start)

    FWIW I personally don't find App world a "barren wasteland" nor that it lacks basic functionality. The point is... many many more people are now finding out about and enjoying the Playbook - and they are not those pining for OS2. It appears they are appreciating it for what it is today... and that's my point.
    Sidebar... because I bought one and was impressed with it I've influenced several more people to buy the Playbook... including my iPhone loving husband.
    11-30-11 10:53 PM
  4. jivegirl14's Avatar
    You will never convince an ifan of the gross inferiority of the ipad. They will cling to it until their dieing breath. Yes I own an ipad and my personal opinion of it is that it sucks. You can read my previous posts as to why if you care. My wife is of the same opinion...ipad collecting dust.

    BTW look at the customer reviews on Futureshop. The Playbook reviews BETTER than the ipad...go figure.
    But... but...but what about the no apps?

    I noticed that too.
    What I find more amusing is that even now, on a thread sharing some positive news about people buying, reviewing and enjoying what they have bought despite the erroneous and undeserved bad press, negativity and wall-to-wall misinformation, some people here still feel they must find some way to trot out the supposed "shortcomings" of the Playbook.
    Last edited by JiveGirl14; 12-01-11 at 09:19 AM.
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    11-30-11 11:05 PM
  5. world traveler and former ceo's Avatar
    Yeah ... well , i for one am very happy to own a Playbook!!! i use it every day ... and love it!!! ...
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    12-01-11 12:30 AM
  6. Angelo_Campher's Avatar
    FWIW I personally don't find App world a "barren wasteland" nor that it lacks basic functionality. The point is... many many more people are now finding out about and enjoying the Playbook - and they are not those pining for OS2. It appears they are appreciating it for what it is today... and that's my point.
    Sidebar... because I bought one and was impressed with it I've influenced several more people to buy the Playbook... including my iPhone loving husband.
    Not a barren wasteland? Where are the popular apps then? Doesn't lack basic functionality? Where is auto correct, word substitution, email, calendar, A2DP?

    Anyway, I am happy using the bridge function but I don't and will not let my long term use of BlackBerry products cloud my judgement. This tablet needs work, and plenty of it but that doesn't mean that people can't enjoy it because I still do.
    Last edited by Hush9300; 12-01-11 at 01:13 AM.
    12-01-11 01:10 AM
  7. jivegirl14's Avatar
    I paid full retail back in May and have zero regrets. Love the bridge function. Glad to have QNX rather than roid. It's an ifad space not a tablet space and these are still early days.
    And when you consider the Playbook has only been in the market for a short time (a year or less) compared to Apple's several years in the market it actually puts the PB streets ahead. It was a good move to side-step the negative press and the ignorance in certain quarters and get it into consumers hands at a decent price in order to let them be the judge. One of my friends posted on FB yesterday that they'd finally been able to buy a Playbook... it didn't take long for someone to pipe up that the Playbook was " pretty much useless." I sent her (and by default him) to check out the Futureshop thread, where it is clear many people feel quite differently.
    Last edited by JiveGirl14; 12-01-11 at 09:02 AM.
    12-01-11 08:36 AM
  8. shootsscores's Avatar
    No need to be patronizing. Being a fan of something shouldn't blind you to simple truths. I know that the bezel is functional, thank you very much, but that still doesn't prevent it from being ugly. Form and functionality was the theme of my previous post, not form over functionality.

    And what in the world does the UI have to do with convenience keys? Does that obviate the need for example, for a dedicated camera key? Does that prevent me from having to scroll through a bunch of apps to get to the camera? Please do edu-ma-cate me, oh learned one, with tales of how you conquered the world with a 16gb Playbook and a table spoon of salt.
    I don't think you know yet that the bezel is used for scrolling. In light of that reasonable assumption, the bezel has to be as wide as it is. This offers at least three advantages. One, your scrolling digit doesn't interfere with the screen view. Two, fingerprints on the views area are minimized. Three, navigating busy, linked filled pages becomes a breeze. In order to optimize functionality, the bezel must have a certain width to offer firm purchase of the device while not interfering with bezel functions. Ergo, the form is dictated by the functionality.

    Now, the way I have my PB set up, accessing the camera takes less than two seconds consisting of one swipe and one pop and that is when starting from this browser page. One could even keep the camera "up" and live at all times.

    In order to conquer the world, I would think that one would need at least a 32g PB grasshopper. A lot of thought went into the UI and as you get familiar with the device you will learn not only to appreciate but to admire it.
    12-01-11 10:00 AM
  9. reeneebob's Avatar
    Because its certainly not possible that some of those reviews are written by fanboys - trust me...having spent a year tech supporting futureshops site you shouldn't take any of their reviews seriously. ****, I know people who have submitted multiple reviews of a product they were fanboy about to counteract negativity. FS.ca doesn't vet them to prove they are legit reviews, they try to clean up profanity and then post them. 10 reviews can and have been submitted by the same person using throwaway emails.

    That anyone takes user submitted reviews on the Internet seriously makes me giggle.


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    12-01-11 10:33 AM
  10. jivegirl14's Avatar
    Because its certainly not possible that some of those reviews are written by fanboys - trust me...having spent a year tech supporting futureshops site you shouldn't take any of their reviews seriously. ****, I know people who have submitted multiple reviews of a product they were fanboy about to counteract negativity. FS.ca doesn't vet them to prove they are legit reviews, they try to clean up profanity and then post them. 10 reviews can and have been submitted by the same person using throwaway emails.

    That anyone takes user submitted reviews on the Internet seriously makes me giggle.


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    Oh, of course, how VERY silly of me, because so many are positive reviews and because they are about the Blackberry Playbook (gasp!) and on the Interwebz... most of them simply have to be fake reviews... good gracious... why didn't I think of that??
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    12-01-11 10:44 AM
  11. reeneebob's Avatar
    Noooo...stop being so freaking defensive. I pointed out that online customer submitted reviews are every bit as skewed as a fanboy website, be it Crackberry, androidcentral, or tipb. Considering that I WORKED for FS.ca in multiple capacities for over a year, the fact that anyone REGARDLESS OF THE PRODUCT takes any user submitted review as unbiased, scientific quantitative proof of anything is frankly naive.

    Jesus h Christ. You know what? Keep believing that anything posted as a user review isn't skewed in the least and is totally objective. Santa Claus, the Tooth Fairy and the Easter Bunny are regular contributors so it must be true. No word on the great pumpkin though...


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    12-01-11 10:53 AM
  12. Barredbard's Avatar
    I don't think you know yet that the bezel is used for scrolling. In light of that reasonable assumption, the bezel has to be as wide as it is. This offers at least three advantages. One, your scrolling digit doesn't interfere with the screen view. Two, fingerprints on the views area are minimized. Three, navigating busy, linked filled pages becomes a breeze. In order to optimize functionality, the bezel must have a certain width to offer firm purchase of the device while not interfering with bezel functions. Ergo, the form is dictated by the functionality.

    Now, the way I have my PB set up, accessing the camera takes less than two seconds consisting of one swipe and one pop and that is when starting from this browser page. One could even keep the camera "up" and live at all times.

    In order to conquer the world, I would think that one would need at least a 32g PB grasshopper. A lot of thought went into the UI and as you get familiar with the device you will learn not only to appreciate but to admire it.
    That's rather amusing. A reasonable assumption is not arrived at by pronouncement much in the same way that pointing at a stone and calling it a loaf of bread does not make it a baker's delight. I have been using my girlfriend's Playbook since April. Ergo, I probably know more about the Playbook than you do.

    Explaining about the functionality of the bezel, when my point was that the tablet is not very attractive comparatively speaking is an intellectually bankrupt endeavor. Apropos, to explain this in a manner easier to grasp, if you install a Ferrari engine in a Ford Escort, it would be hardly realistic to expect it to sell like a Ferrari. Even though the functionality would be unrivaled in such a small chassis. Unless, of course, you reduce the price.

    The tablet is a good one. Only let us not pretend that it is the alpha and omega of tablets. It is not, as inconvenient as that reality may be. And setting up the PB in a manner that makes the app more accessible than otherwise still hardly measures up to the convenience of aptly named "convenience keys."
    Last edited by Barredbard; 12-01-11 at 11:30 AM.
    12-01-11 11:17 AM
  13. jivegirl14's Avatar
    Noooo...stop being so freaking defensive. I pointed out that online customer submitted reviews are every bit as skewed as a fanboy website, be it Crackberry, androidcentral, or tipb. Considering that I WORKED for FS.ca in multiple capacities for over a year, the fact that anyone REGARDLESS OF THE PRODUCT takes any user submitted review as unbiased, scientific quantitative proof of anything is frankly naive.

    Jesus h Christ. You know what? Keep believing that anything posted as a user review isn't skewed in the least and is totally objective. Santa Claus, the Tooth Fairy and the Easter Bunny are regular contributors so it must be true. No word on the great pumpkin though...


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    Defensive? Not in the least. Impressed though at the speed at which you managed to tell me how naive I am, whoops, sorry - to "make your point").

    Funny, I don't recall ever saying I took "anything posted as a user review as unbiased, scientific quantative proof - of anything. Or that "anything posted as a user review isn't skewed in the least." Nor that I required any guidance regarding online user reviews.

    But, hey no worries. You know best.
    12-01-11 01:29 PM
  14. shootsscores's Avatar
    That's rather amusing. A reasonable assumption is not arrived at by pronouncement much in the same way that pointing at a stone and calling it a loaf of bread does not make it a baker's delight. I have been using my girlfriend's Playbook since April. Ergo, I probably know more about the Playbook than you do.

    Explaining about the functionality of the bezel, when my point was that the tablet is not very attractive comparatively speaking is an intellectually bankrupt endeavor. Apropos, to explain this in a manner easier to grasp, if you install a Ferrari engine in a Ford Escort, it would be hardly realistic to expect it to sell like a Ferrari. Even though the functionality would be unrivaled in such a small chassis. Unless, of course, you reduce the price.

    The tablet is a good one. Only let us not pretend that it is the alpha and omega of tablets. It is not, as inconvenient as that reality may be. And setting up the PB in a manner that makes the app more accessible than otherwise still hardly measures up to the convenience of aptly named "convenience keys."
    What you have posted indicates to me that you don't understand the thoughtfullness of the design. The PB is a thing of beauty. A Ferrari looks like it does because of its function. So too the PB.
    12-01-11 02:37 PM
  15. freedomx20a's Avatar
    Well it deserves the great reviews. In contradict my self saying that. As an early adopter i have felt let down by RIM. Although i felt it was overpriced at the time i wanted one because it was new and the potential the device had to offer.

    At the current prices i would buy one without any hesitation and for the money in my mind is the best value tablet currentlybon the market.
    haha me too. I think all us early adopters feel this way. Mine was 599.99+HST !

    If I bought it now I'd probably be happy and not feel drained from rim.

    Anyways lessons learned!
    I'm gonna buy a Nokia made Windows 8 tablet summer2012 day 1 and get rid of my playbook.
    12-01-11 02:46 PM
  16. Barredbard's Avatar
    What you have posted indicates to me that you don't understand the thoughtfullness of the design. The PB is a thing of beauty. A Ferrari looks like it does because of its function. So too the PB.
    What I have posted should indicate to you that you understand marketing as little as you understand Ferrari owners. Those trimmings; the seats, the steering wheel, hood, mat, seats, etc. that shout 'Ferrari!' are featured because of their appeal. They are not essential to what resides underneath the hood. Beauty has to be infused upon form. It is elementary.
    Last edited by Barredbard; 12-01-11 at 07:12 PM.
    12-01-11 04:37 PM
  17. mud314's Avatar
    Makes you wonder why on earth RIM released the PlayBook at the same price point as the iPad 2...

    It also speaks volumes about their crappy marketing.

    There has been no price drop in South Africa but Vodacom is officially sold out, in Johannesburg at least. BlackBerry has major traction over here despite not seeing one PlayBook commercial on the tele...
    Totally agree with you on their marketing. I have been reviewing app world and I am finding that while there are no multiple of the same app but with a different name; IE 50 f4rt apps ; the apps that are there are not too bad at all. Mind you, I am not actually experiencing the apps yet since I have yet to rcv my PB from shopblackberry. My point is that I can see where it has been highly underrated.

    I played with a working one at BB after months of going there and never seeing it work or staples. Then I finally got lucky and got experience it first hand, AMAZING. So fluid. I do think the screen could be a bit sharper, but over all I loved the way the OS worked. Like Steve Jobs I hate buttons, funny how RIM was the one that managed to get rid of them, the power and volume rocker excluded.

    Salivating.
    12-01-11 09:29 PM
  18. shootsscores's Avatar
    What I have posted should indicate to you that you understand marketing as little as you understand Ferrari owners. Those trimmings; the seats, the steering wheel, hood, mat, seats, etc. that shout 'Ferrari!' are featured because of their appeal. They are not essential to what resides underneath the hood. Beauty has to be infused upon form. It is elementary.
    Yes, the Ferrari has good hardware........too.

    Of course, to truly appreciate the quality of the function, which dictates form, you have to know how to utilize the function. I don't think you know how bezel scroll yet alone how to heel toe.
    12-02-11 12:21 AM
  19. JR A's Avatar
    yes, the ferrari has good hardware........too.

    Of course, to truly appreciate the quality of the function, which dictates form, you have to know how to utilize the function. i don't think you know how bezel scroll yet alone how to heel toe.
    zing!!!!!!
    12-02-11 12:22 AM
  20. world traveler and former ceo's Avatar
    Well it deserves the great reviews. In contradict my self saying that. As an early adopter i have felt let down by RIM. Although i felt it was overpriced at the time i wanted one because it was new and the potential the device had to offer.

    At the current prices i would buy one without any hesitation and for the money in my mind is the best value tablet currentlybon the market.
    i agree ...best tablet value in the market right now!...

    and will get a whole lot better come February when Rim rolls out its major software upgrade 2.0!!
    12-02-11 05:54 AM
  21. Barredbard's Avatar
    Yes, the Ferrari has good hardware........too.

    Of course, to truly appreciate the quality of the function, which dictates form, you have to know how to utilize the function. I don't think you know how bezel scroll yet alone how to heel toe.
    We agree on one thing; Ferraris are great cars. Even a basic marketing class would impart that the packaging of a product is so important that it can actually overwhelm the contents of the packaging itself. I'll let you grapple with that one.

    I think your last statement - which was a bit incomprehensible despite applause from an addled fan - was trying to tell me that I don't know how to "bezel scroll." Like there is some art or science to it. We settled that 3 posts ago.

    A wise old Chinese master once divulged that it was time to quit a conversation when the other party begins to repeat himself without bothering to hide the fact. You have.
    Last edited by Barredbard; 12-02-11 at 03:51 PM.
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