- As we all know, ever since the sale started and os2 started inching closer, this playbook forum has exploded.
Not only that, but it is seemingly finally getting out there, popular apps are being recreated for the PB, as we have already seen, apps like angry birds, and cut the rope have been made, and im sure that more popular apps are coming our way.
What do you guys think, with the introduction of os2, will the PB adoption rate increase substantially, and will the Playbook be a true competitor to the iPad?
(The os2 browser even better than the ipads aswell, aswell as a higher html5 score, what apple is pushing for)Last edited by Cyanogen; 01-11-12 at 02:46 PM.
01-11-12 02:38 PMLike 0 - probably not a real competitor to the iPad. I mean seriously they sold what? 11 mil. iPads or something?
I guess it could become a serious 'alternative' to the iPad if they keep the price under $300 but even then many people will buy into the Kindle fire for name and familiarity at $199 so I'm really not sure where the place for the PB will be.
I see a ton of them around now. They were a seriously hot Xmas item here but I'm from Waterloo so01-11-12 02:56 PMLike 0 - probably not a real competitor to the iPad. I mean seriously they sold what? 11 mil. iPads or something?
I guess it could become a serious 'alternative' to the iPad if they keep the price under $300 but even then many people will buy into the Kindle fire for name and familiarity at $199 so I'm really not sure where the place for the PB will be.
I see a ton of them around now. They were a seriously hot Xmas item here but I'm from Waterloo so01-11-12 03:09 PMLike 12 -
I guess in your analogy the PB is a ski boat and the iPad is a car. not very flattering compareson I'd say01-11-12 03:23 PMLike 0 -
Who said I have a problem? I just made a true statement, in response to the OP's question.01-11-12 03:40 PMLike 5 -
- As we all know, ever since the sale started and os2 started inching closer, this playbook forum has exploded.
Not only that, but it is seemingly finally getting out there, popular apps are being recreated for the PB, as we have already seen, apps like angry birds, and cut the rope have been made, and im sure that more popular apps are coming our way.
What do you guys think, with the introduction of os2, will the PB adoption rate increase substantially, and will the Playbook be a true competitor to the iPad?
(The os2 browser even better than the ipads aswell, aswell as a higher html5 score, what apple is pushing for)
Hopefully we can get a more active community built up. Would be nice to see that XDA vote come through.
Are you considering the playbook as a cyanogenmod target? Have you thought about looking into the possibility of a build of your mod that runs *inside* the bb os in the same manner as the android player works at the moment? A good alternative to the RIM restricted android environment would be awesome.
Would any of the above even be possible?
Sorry for the derail...01-11-12 03:56 PMLike 0 - It will pick up some adapters but its a bit late. Don't get me wrong, I love the new updates and can't wait to update my OS in Feb. But to the average consumer, Blackberry has had tons of negative press and the sales reps just add on to that at the stores (Best Buy, Radioshack, etc--in the US). If you wanted a tablet you were either an early adopter or you probably got a tablet during the various sales during the holiday season (tablets in general not just blackberry). I just have to wonder...who's left that wants a tablet. And of those that are left, with so many options under 300..why a playbook? RIM has to answer that question with a PR blitz as opposed to among us FanBoys.01-11-12 04:11 PMLike 0
- ThunderbuckRetired ModeratorI personally don't care much whether the PB captures a huge chunk of market share, just that it sells enough to A) make a profit for RIM and B) develop a decent enough user base to attract developers.
RIM has announced what appear to be some good, solid enhancements to the platform. Assuming they can follow through (an easier assumption to make now than, say, 2 months ago), sales will doubtless improve.
I think RIM has chosen to take control of the old chicken-egg argument ("people won't buy because there are no apps"/"developers won't publish because there aren't enough users") by heavily discounting the device to pump them out the door and improving the app prospects. It's easy to imagine RIM's Developer Relations guy begging Rovio to put out Angry Birds last fall, and their guy saying, "call us when you've got over 1M users."kbz1960 likes this.01-11-12 04:21 PMLike 1 - It will pick up some adapters but its a bit late. Don't get me wrong, I love the new updates and can't wait to update my OS in Feb. But to the average consumer, Blackberry has had tons of negative press and the sales reps just add on to that at the stores (Best Buy, Radioshack, etc--in the US). If you wanted a tablet you were either an early adopter or you probably got a tablet during the various sales during the holiday season (tablets in general not just blackberry). I just have to wonder...who's left that wants a tablet. And of those that are left, with so many options under 300..why a playbook? RIM has to answer that question with a PR blitz as opposed to among us FanBoys.01-11-12 04:32 PMLike 0
- I intended to purchase a playbook ever since I first heard about it. I managed (with difficulty) to convince myself to wait till Christmas, which I'm glad I did because I saved a lot of money.
As far as competing with the ipad to a certain extent they are like chalk and cheese, as are Blackberry smartphones compared to the iphone. Look at the forums on here. The features our members most enjoy and the features that we most look forward to are predominantly not the ones ipad owners care about.
I think, presuming all the positives that are coming out about OS2 if all the hoopla comes true this may be the year that the Playbook pulls out of the tablet pack and carves its own niche, separate from the ipad and separate from most of the other tablets.
Now if only Blackberry can produce an outstanding new phone they could be back on top.01-11-12 06:25 PMLike 4 - I personally don't care much whether the PB captures a huge chunk of market share, just that it sells enough to A) make a profit for RIM and B) develop a decent enough user base to attract developers.
RIM has announced what appear to be some good, solid enhancements to the platform. Assuming they can follow through (an easier assumption to make now than, say, 2 months ago), sales will doubtless improve.
I think RIM has chosen to take control of the old chicken-egg argument ("people won't buy because there are no apps"/"developers won't publish because there aren't enough users") by heavily discounting the device to pump them out the door and improving the app prospects. It's easy to imagine RIM's Developer Relations guy begging Rovio to put out Angry Birds last fall, and their guy saying, "call us when you've got over 1M users."
Further, MS, Apple, Google all with more assets and more products in their pipeline to keep them afloat, will not sit still. And all have the power to suck the air out of the room. The phone companies stopped unlimited data 6 months ago, because they realise that phone are consumption devices primarily. RIM needs partnership to survive. The executives know this. All this hoopla is for them and not really for the base.01-11-12 07:00 PMLike 0 - It will pick up some adapters but its a bit late. Don't get me wrong, I love the new updates and can't wait to update my OS in Feb. But to the average consumer, Blackberry has had tons of negative press and the sales reps just add on to that at the stores (Best Buy, Radioshack, etc--in the US). If you wanted a tablet you were either an early adopter or you probably got a tablet during the various sales during the holiday season (tablets in general not just blackberry). I just have to wonder...who's left that wants a tablet. And of those that are left, with so many options under 300..why a playbook? RIM has to answer that question with a PR blitz as opposed to among us FanBoys.
I suppose you could make the same argument for cars, houses, etc.
There is plenty of space in the market for the playbook to do extremely well.
The tablet market is still very young... nowhere near saturation.01-11-12 08:03 PMLike 4 - I believe RIM can turn things around with os2 and BB10, but in order to do it, they will really have to step up their marketing. You would be surprised at how much a well planned marketing campaign can influence reviews as well as the public at large.01-11-12 08:11 PMLike 0
- I'm sitting here pecking this out on my new 64gig playbook tbat I bought for 299! Can or will the playbook be able to compete with the ipad? In a word, i believe "yes"! With some strong flashy marketing, a pricing model that aggressively competes and some good press the playbook will and can compete with the ipad! OS2 will bring the playbook into a position of being a better feature for feature tablet against all comers. People are not stupid, if the playbook is a better value with more features and is perceived to be a solid contender people will choose it!app_Developer likes this.01-11-12 08:11 PMLike 1
- I'm sitting here pecking this out on my new 64gig playbook tbat I bought for 299! Can or will the playbook be able to compete with the ipad? In a word, i believe "yes"! With some strong flashy marketing, a pricing model that aggressively competes and some good press the playbook will and can compete with the ipad! OS2 will bring the playbook into a position of being a better feature for feature tablet against all comers. People are not stupid, if the playbook is a better value with more features and is perceived to be a solid contender people will choose it!
But those apps can easily be made for PB also if they finish the developer tools and frameworks and if they get good at marketing so there is some critical mass of units being sold each quarter. Enough to keep people interested at a consistent pace without lots of price fluctuations and so on.
They just have to keep moving and not think they've caught up yet, because they haven't yet. Especially with iPad3 probably just 6-8 weeks away now.Last edited by app_Developer; 01-11-12 at 08:21 PM.
pantlesspenguin likes this.01-11-12 08:17 PMLike 1 - Yep, it's all about the marketing. The products ARE competitive, but nobody knows it. Maybe we need to start doing our own commercials for them and Youtubing them. Like that Jack in the Box ad....01-11-12 08:20 PMLike 0
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I really think that should be a tag line RIM uses in their advertising.01-11-12 08:24 PMLike 0 -
He really should put a large bold font disclaimer in his sig so people know, it's not cool to mislead people like that.Last edited by Megacharge; 01-11-12 at 09:41 PM.
01-11-12 09:33 PMLike 0 -
In an ever shifting and ever evolving tech world, R.I.M should consider offering their OS to another cell phone manufacturer. HTC took a major hit when Sprint began selling the iPhone, and posted their 1st decline in 2 years.
They make good phones and could make a good strategic partner for R.I.M.
Just my two cents.01-11-12 09:43 PMLike 0 -
Why go out of the way to bait others anyway? How does it benefit the product?
And, honestly, after a year of watching the others launch product after product, who exactly is doing the viewing?
These statements can come back to bite you.pantlesspenguin likes this.01-11-12 09:49 PMLike 1 -
I didn't even know what the cyanogen mod was until someone asked, I just heard my friends tossing it around, cool name though, think the admin will allow changing of screen name?Last edited by Cyanogen; 01-11-12 at 10:15 PM.
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