- With the announcement of B&N's tablet, the Playbook will be up against even more competition since Amazon's Fire was announced. I just don't get it, how can a bookseller like B&N release a tablet with Netflix yet RIM, can't seem to get some of these basic apps preinstalled on theirs. Granted it is running a different OS and all, but with a premium price of $500, you would need to satisfy the multimedia folks to prevent the PB to be pigeon holed as only a business tool.
If the PB had the Kindle app, Skype w/ video, and Netflix/Hulu...I guarantee sales will go up!11-07-11 12:41 PMLike 0 - With the announcement of B&N's tablet, the Playbook will be up against even more competition since Amazon's Fire was announced. I just don't get it, how can a bookseller like B&N release a tablet with Netflix yet RIM, can't seem to get some of these basic apps preinstalled on theirs. Granted it is running a different OS and all, but with a premium price of $500, you would need to satisfy the multimedia folks to prevent the PB to be pigeon holed as only a business tool.
If the PB had the Kindle app, Skype w/ video, and Netflix/Hulu...I guarantee sales will go up!11-07-11 12:48 PMLike 0 - The 7 inch tablet prices by both Amazon and Barnes and Noble have got RIM checked mated on pricing.
There is no reasonable person who would pay even more than $300 for a Playbook no matter what "specs" it has to offer when a similar 7 inch tablet is selling for $199/$249.
Pricing is everything in this economy no matter how many bells and whistles RIM can offer, the public will see $199/$249.11-07-11 12:51 PMLike 0 - We know that RIM has been holding up and blocking apps that may compete with there own functionality (even if that functionality won't be out till OS2). Look at IM+. Yeah it had issues, but RIM was holding it up and giving the company the run-around, and the working theory is because it would compete with BBM at some point. We know that there are mail apps and alternative browsers being blocked. It's hard to tell right now if companies aren't developing for the Playbook because RIM said there was going to be an Android Player soon after release and they all have Android versions of the apps and are waiting, or if they submitted apps and RIM is blocking them because they compete with there future Video Service, Videoconferencing apps, Native PIM/e-mail, etc.
RIM has made a lot of mistakes with the Playbook rollout that has hindered sales and adoption by consumers. I doubt that 2.0 is going to magically fix all this either unless they release Android Player in 2.0 and all these apps like Netflix, Skype, Kindle, etc. show up at the same time in App World.11-07-11 12:55 PMLike 0 - The 7 inch tablet prices by both Amazon and Barnes and Noble have got RIM checked mated on pricing.
There is no reasonable person who would pay even more than $300 for a Playbook no matter what "specs" it has to offer when a similar 7 inch tablet is selling for $199/$249.
Pricing is everything in this economy no matter how many bells and whistles RIM can offer, the public will see $199/$249.
Posted from my CrackBerry at wapforums.crackberry.com11-07-11 12:55 PMLike 0 - Yea paying a bit more for front and rear cameras would be worth it to a lot of consumers if video chat was available.
I don't think the android player will fix everything as I'm sure a lot of native apps won't run correctly.
That's an interesting notion that RIM might be blocking apps but at the same time PB sales are so poor that it doesn't seem like they would pose a threat. I think its more like devs are holding out to port their android apps onto the android player.
Posted from my CrackBerry at wapforums.crackberry.com11-07-11 01:02 PMLike 0 -
The Kindle Fire has:
Ads - unless you buy a more expensive version
no 3G
less battery life
no camera or microphone
no GPS
no HDMI output capability
less memory
Even if the exterior is the same the interior is vastly different and the fact that is has Ad's explains the pricing more. Frankly that's a deal breaker from the start.11-07-11 01:09 PMLike 3 - We know that RIM has been holding up and blocking apps that may compete with there own functionality (even if that functionality won't be out till OS2). Look at IM+. Yeah it had issues, but RIM was holding it up and giving the company the run-around, and the working theory is because it would compete with BBM at some point. We know that there are mail apps and alternative browsers being blocked. It's hard to tell right now if companies aren't developing for the Playbook because RIM said there was going to be an Android Player soon after release and they all have Android versions of the apps and are waiting, or if they submitted apps and RIM is blocking them because they compete with there future Video Service, Videoconferencing apps, Native PIM/e-mail, etc.
RIM has made a lot of mistakes with the Playbook rollout that has hindered sales and adoption by consumers. I doubt that 2.0 is going to magically fix all this either unless they release Android Player in 2.0 and all these apps like Netflix, Skype, Kindle, etc. show up at the same time in App World.11-07-11 01:11 PMLike 0 - They purposely didn't release a lot of things that could have increased sales. So even if it doesn't make sense, they do do that...11-07-11 01:13 PMLike 0
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I'm a frequent Amazon customer and if I didn't pick up my PB for $300 a few months ago, I would have probably ordered the Fire as a tablet for browsing which is pretty much what I do on my PB...browse Amazon.com and order crap...
The rear camera is excellent and the front is a nice bonus on the PB but I could probably live without it since there isn't Skype.11-07-11 01:43 PMLike 0 - With the announcement of B&N's tablet, the Playbook will be up against even more competition since Amazon's Fire was announced. I just don't get it, how can a bookseller like B&N release a tablet with Netflix yet RIM, can't seem to get some of these basic apps preinstalled on theirs. Granted it is running a different OS and all, but with a premium price of $500, you would need to satisfy the multimedia folks to prevent the PB to be pigeon holed as only a business tool.
If the PB had the Kindle app, Skype w/ video, and Netflix/Hulu...I guarantee sales will go up!11-07-11 01:43 PMLike 0 - Netflix, hulu etc are all offered on the android platform...but those tablets are hardly selling well at all individually...so what does that mean? To say the PB is a failure because of the lack of these apps is hardly accurate, its just that Ipad is king...and nothing will change that, other tablets are just trying to find whatever niche they can to get some piece of the pie. And with the Playbook I think they have a good target market that they just need to market it better to.
Posted from my CrackBerry at wapforums.crackberry.com11-07-11 01:55 PMLike 0 - Netflix, hulu etc are all offered on the android platform...but those tablets are hardly selling well at all individually...so what does that mean? To say the PB is a failure because of the lack of these apps is hardly accurate, its just that Ipad is king...and nothing will change that, other tablets are just trying to find whatever niche they can to get some piece of the pie. And with the Playbook I think they have a good target market that they just need to market it better to.
Posted from my CrackBerry at wapforums.crackberry.com11-07-11 01:59 PMLike 0 -
so google, microsoft, amazon, or whoever, please, buy qnx. rim is just killing it.11-07-11 02:00 PMLike 0 - Keep in mind most of these decisions are commercial and based on the promise of sales and that alone.
The hardware specs on a device only matter for so long. Even the most powerful tablet (PB among them) have little future if there's no developers behind it. Take any tablet, the PB and see the specs. While very impressive today, 18 months from today and these specs will pale in comparison. It always happens.
The tablet market has the impression that the BB PB has no apps for it (that there's a recent flood of books isn't helping either). This becomes a self-fulfilling prophecy until RIM takes active steps to break the cycle. Presenting BBX was the first agressive (and smart) decision to let the developer ecosystem out there know there is money to be made.
Amazon (and soon B&N) will not develop apps for PB because "RIM is not a serious contender". The number of QNX tablets in the market are still small compared to the Android tablets available. It's true, individually, XOOM tablets and Galaxy tablets are also shunned by Apple's gargantuan lead in the tablet market, but it's easier for Amazon to develop for two platforms (iOS, Android) and reach 99% of the market with two developing platforms. Adding WebOS, QNX and any additional platform (Bada, Meego, WP7 and what not) is very expensive because of licencing, testing, Q&A, etc.
Also consider that there are two very strong brands behind Android, Google and Amazon. These two brands are leaders in content harvesting and content delivery (Amazon even more so than Google).11-07-11 02:35 PMLike 0 - Keep in mind most of these decisions are commercial and based on the promise of sales and that alone.
The hardware specs on a device only matter for so long. Even the most powerful tablet (PB among them) have little future if there's no developers behind it. Take any tablet, the PB and see the specs. While very impressive today, 18 months from today and these specs will pale in comparison. It always happens.
The tablet market has the impression that the BB PB has no apps for it (that there's a recent flood of books isn't helping either). This becomes a self-fulfilling prophecy until RIM takes active steps to break the cycle. Presenting BBX was the first agressive (and smart) decision to let the developer ecosystem out there know there is money to be made.
Amazon (and soon B&N) will not develop apps for PB because "RIM is not a serious contender". The number of QNX tablets in the market are still small compared to the Android tablets available. It's true, individually, XOOM tablets and Galaxy tablets are also shunned by Apple's gargantuan lead in the tablet market, but it's easier for Amazon to develop for two platforms (iOS, Android) and reach 99% of the market with two developing platforms. Adding WebOS, QNX and any additional platform (Bada, Meego, WP7 and what not) is very expensive because of licencing, testing, Q&A, etc.
Also consider that there are two very strong brands behind Android, Google and Amazon. These two brands are leaders in content harvesting and content delivery (Amazon even more so than Google).
These are all very good points. Things don't look so good for the PB and that's why I think RIM needs to pay Amazon, Google and Skype to develop their apps.
Who knows...maybe this time next year RIM might be bought out for their patents..11-07-11 02:57 PMLike 0 - Netflix, hulu etc are all offered on the android platform...but those tablets are hardly selling well at all individually...so what does that mean? To say the PB is a failure because of the lack of these apps is hardly accurate, its just that Ipad is king...and nothing will change that, other tablets are just trying to find whatever niche they can to get some piece of the pie. And with the Playbook I think they have a good target market that they just need to market it better to.
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Posted from my CrackBerry at wapforums.crackberry.com11-07-11 02:58 PMLike 0 - Netflix, hulu etc are all offered on the android platform...but those tablets are hardly selling well at all individually...so what does that mean? To say the PB is a failure because of the lack of these apps is hardly accurate, its just that Ipad is king...and nothing will change that, other tablets are just trying to find whatever niche they can to get some piece of the pie. And with the Playbook I think they have a good target market that they just need to market it better to.
Apple's share of the tablet market has shrunk 29% to 67%, as Google's mobile operating system Android took a chunk out of the company's global sales during the last quarter this year.
Android-powered tablet computers rose to 27% from 2.3% for the same period a year earlier, according to research firm Strategy Analysis.
The Kindle Fire, the Amazon Hollywood tablet, the Transformer Prime, and the introduction of Ice Cream Sandwich is going to eat that market share even more.11-07-11 03:09 PMLike 0
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