[mpscan]

PlayBook can do this .. PlayBook can do that .. PlayBook can ..

I'm going to break this down in a few paragraphs real easy for everyone. I don't write much and don't read much on here. Mostly, I don't post much, but I fell I need to on this one. Believe me if you want, if not, i don't care. I hold a c-level position at a company you all know.

We're currently evaluating the benefits the new PB offers our organization. We have a BES install w/over 42,120 devices (+ six every day.. lol). We're also evaluating other options. We're the client that RIM should be terrified of losing...

The PB sounds great, and I have personally used one for three weeks. It's awesome! Eliminate the OS for a minute and I think the PB is a power house... storage, camera, processor, foundation (software), physical profile. It rocks.

What I really want to know is: Do I have the pure hardware power and functionality in the current PB that will support all of the fixes, patches, and upgrades that RIM should have made before they went live? After three weeks of use, I call this version OS 0.082. I want 1.0. Not two days from now. Not two weeks from now. Not two months from now.

My main goal is ROI. Plain and simple. I want the 99.7% perfect OS by September 2011. If not, then my 42,000 users will find something else. I expect a near-perfect (with faults/bugs) by the mid-summer. I'm not talking about bugs here and there.. I mean basic integration like an (non-bridge) email client that can attach a picture from the library in two steps.

f you (RIM) pull an Apple and come out with a PB v2.0 next spring, I will literally pull the plug on the entire integration.

This isn't a debate. I need someone who can convince me that I should buy 5,000 PB's on Monday afternoon.

[Hankster]

Hmmm, very large company in Boston...user has a Red Sox logo. Does your company put up "RED SOX" in their office window during night games?

Oh, to answer your question: No, you shouldn't invest into PlayBook. If your company released a product or service with the same resolve as this PlayBook was launched, would you still have job? I used to love BlackBerry, but they have stopped being reliable as a company. Their products are half developed and they are falling more and more behind the competition.

[Innerchild]

Maybe you need to be talking to a RIM corporate sales rep. Sounds like you've had enough hands-on to evaluate the potential. I'm sure RIM would not want to lose your business, but reading the opinions on a Blackberry-centric forum should not be what convinces you to buy 5,000 units.

[gregerator]

I'm not sure anyone can "convince" you but yourself. It's in its infancy. It is going to hve groth pains. No one is 100% sure how it will turn out, but the potential is there. If you're willing to buy based on potential, go for it. If not, wait for it to mature.

Posted from my CrackBerry at wapforums.crackberry.com

[T_Touch]

PlayBook can do this .. PlayBook can do that .. PlayBook can ..

I'm going to break this down in a few paragraphs real easy for everyone. I don't write much and don't read much on here. Mostly, I don't post much, but I fell I need to on this one. Believe me if you want, if not, i don't care. I hold a c-level position at a company you all know.

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This isn't a debate. I need someone who can convince me that I should buy 5,000 PB's on Monday afternoon.

Here's why.

Because you're spending almost 2 1/2 million dollars. With that type of money, you don't want to spend it on devices that you know won't offer what the PlayBook offers already. And even if you do have to wait 2 months for even more options, your investment will yield the best results. Your risk is not really that high with an established company like RIM.

The alternative would be to wait even longer for another device to do what RIM already does with the PlayBook (and even that will be improved).

[X04D00]

The device is probably not ready for mass business use. I imagine it will be by Summer, but that's obviously just a guess and only RIM can answer your questions.

[Innerchild]

And, I would also ask... if not Playbook, then what other options are you considering? Is security an issue? With the news yesterday about Apple and its tracking and storing of personal data, and security issues around Android, that could sway your decision.

Seems most security lapses involve third party apps. Playbook performs more (or will shortly) functions in its native apps than the other platforms. RIM isn't bulletproof, but its security seems tighter than others.

It's a big decision... have you polled the employees who will be using them? Hope it works out for you.

[Jedi_Blackberry]

PlayBook can do this .. PlayBook can do that .. PlayBook can ..

I'm going to break this down in a few paragraphs real easy for everyone. I don't write much and don't read much on here. Mostly, I don't post much, but I fell I need to on this one. Believe me if you want, if not, i don't care. I hold a c-level position at a company you all know.

We're currently evaluating the benefits the new PB offers our organization. We have a BES install w/over 42,120 devices (+ six every day.. lol). We're also evaluating other options. We're the client that RIM should be terrified of losing...

The PB sounds great, and I have personally used one for three weeks. It's awesome! Eliminate the OS for a minute and I think the PB is a power house... storage, camera, processor, foundation (software), physical profile. It rocks.

What I really want to know is: Do I have the pure hardware power and functionality in the current PB that will support all of the fixes, patches, and upgrades that RIM should have made before they went live? After three weeks of use, I call this version OS 0.082. I want 1.0. Not two days from now. Not two weeks from now. Not two months from now.

My main goal is ROI. Plain and simple. I want the 99.7% perfect OS by September 2011. If not, then my 42,000 users will find something else. I expect a near-perfect (with faults/bugs) by the mid-summer. I'm not talking about bugs here and there.. I mean basic integration like an (non-bridge) email client that can attach a picture from the library in two steps.

f you (RIM) pull an Apple and come out with a PB v2.0 next spring, I will literally pull the plug on the entire integration.

This isn't a debate. I need someone who can convince me that I should buy 5,000 PB's on Monday afternoon.

First let me say It is all about the Yankees!!!

Secondly, so you are going to leave 37,000 employees out of the loop? That sucks.

Tell you what, I am going to walk into YOUR company and TELL you what I WANT from you. I EXPECT you to do it, or I am going to threaten to walk out, because YOU need me!! Oh and the chances of you finding someone to replace the money I would've have spent on your product, is slim to none.

I use this same arguement with McDonald's. When they mess up my food, I take my money and go else where. I know some other person is gonna come right behind me and buy something. Mickey D's is gonna get theirs...just like Rim is with or without your 37-42K users.

By the way, the CEO of the company I work for is on one of Obama's committees and even we didn't give Rim a foolish ultimatium.

Just sayin'!

[plucky duck]

No one can convince you of your corporate needs. Is the need that immediate? Is the alternative a realistic option? What is your time frame for integration and rollout? What if you go with Apple and they decide to pull an apple on you? Does the increase in productivity negate the risks you will have to bear? Is this risk manageable or can it be mitigated? You will have to weigh your cost/benefits. Speak with rimm and see where it goes. Basing your decision on forum comments would be overly simplistic.

As a consumer i can deal with the downfalls of the device and be their lab rat because i have time, and i am satisfied with whats here and now.

[Thumbtyper]

If your company is still stupid enough to be using blackberries you deserve this tablet too. Most savy companies no longer buy into the scam of RIM and their secure server BS for email on phones.. Companies have been allowing wifi on laptops for how long? Isnt there more sensitive stuff on laptops? Email goes out off tablets over wifi.
The rim scam is over.

[Innerchild]

Instead of buying 5000 on Monday, would it be possible to buy maybe 50, give them to key employees as a pilot evaluation? You can put the PB through its paces, see where the OS is at the end of that trial, then make a decision whether it fits your corporate needs.

I don't know what your technical refresh rate is, but most small electronic devices seem to have about a two-year life span. There will always be something on the near horizon improved over what you bought last month. The PB looks to have solid specs to hold up for a useful life cycle over time. Lots of variables to consider...

[Boots4283]

If your company is still stupid enough to be using blackberries you deserve this tablet too. Most savy companies no longer buy into the scam of RIM and their secure server BS for email on phones.. Companies have been allowing wifi on laptops for how long? Isnt there more sensitive stuff on laptops? Email goes out off tablets over wifi.
The rim scam is over.

This is so funny on so many levels...BES, is not secure? What really happens is the top wigs want iPhones while IT doesn't. Please tell me why it isn't secure. I hope that you don't think iOS or Android is. My guess is one of two things: you are a troll which is obvious or you got burned by a BES install because you could not follow instructions.

As far as the OP goes I would get them. I'm sure if the first 5000 doesn't like it the other 37,000 will.

[Rudee66]

PlayBook can do this .. PlayBook can do that .. PlayBook can ..

I'm going to break this down in a few paragraphs real easy for everyone. I don't write much and don't read much on here. Mostly, I don't post much, but I fell I need to on this one. Believe me if you want, if not, i don't care. I hold a c-level position at a company you all know.

We're currently evaluating the benefits the new PB offers our organization. We have a BES install w/over 42,120 devices (+ six every day.. lol). We're also evaluating other options. We're the client that RIM should be terrified of losing...

The PB sounds great, and I have personally used one for three weeks. It's awesome! Eliminate the OS for a minute and I think the PB is a power house... storage, camera, processor, foundation (software), physical profile. It ropcks.

What I really want to know is: Do I have the pure hardware power and functionality in the current PB that will support all of the fixes, patches, and upgrades that RIM should have made before they went live? After three weeks of use, I call this version OS 0.082. I want 1.0. Not two days from now. Not two weeks from now. Not two months from now.

My main goal is ROI. Plain and simple. I want the 99.7% perfect OS by September 2011. If not, then my 42,000 users will find something else. I expect a near-perfect (with faults/bugs) by the mid-summer. I'm not talking about bugs here and there.. I mean basic integration like an (non-bridge) email client that can attach a picture from the library in two steps.

f you (RIM) pull an Apple and come out with a PB v2.0 next spring, I will literally pull the plug on the entire integration.

This isn't a debate. I need someone who can convince me that I should buy 5,000 PB's on Monday afternoon.

If you want to buy 5,000 Playbooks for employees be my guest. But it's certainly not required for you to conduct business, as you obviously have been conducting business without them up till now just fine. And knock it off with the attitude thinking people should bow down at your knees and meet your demands.

Rather then making demands and threats, start by first explaining why your organization even needs Playbook tablets to begin with. I'm willing to bet Playbooks are far more a "want" than a "need". As I mentioned previously, your 45,000 employees have functioned fine without them up till now.

[gokart3]

Save the $2.5 million, unless you want expensive paper weights

[Thumbtyper]

This is so funny on so many levels...BES, is not secure? What really happens is the top wigs want iPhones while IT doesn't. Please tell me why it isn't secure. I hope that you don't think iOS or Android is. My guess is one of two things: you are a troll which is obvious or you got burned by a BES install because you could not follow instructions.

As far as the OP goes I would get them. I'm sure if the first 5000 doesn't like it the other 37,000 will.

I didnt say it wasnt secure. it is a scam that IT guys use to perpetuate their jobs. Answer this, why would a corp pay rims server fees as a security necessity when they allow email to go over wifi on laptops?

[Rudee66]

Also, how is it that a person claims to hold a "c-level" position in a large organization incapable of performing his or her own due-diligence, and has to resort to asking strangers on a message board in a rather threatening tone, to make important business decisions on their behalf? What alternate Universe do you live in where you would make strong demands and ask questions to people here that obviously only RIM engineers and/or RIM Product Specialists would be capable of answering at this stage of the product life cycle? Seriously.... As my dear Mother used to say "Get off your high horse".

If you (RIM) pull an Apple and come out with a PB v2.0 next spring, I will literally pull the plug on the entire integration.

With your apparent ineptness, if I was your Manager, I would pull the plug on you! Seriously. Once again, you're threatening people on a message board who couldn't possibly give you the answers you are looking for. If you've been testing the product for 3 weeks like you said, obviously the product just didn't magically drop on your lap out of thin air for you. Get in contact with your product representative at RIM and direct your questions and concerns to him or her.

[iN8ter]

This is so funny on so many levels...BES, is not secure? What really happens is the top wigs want iPhones while IT doesn't. Please tell me why it isn't secure. I hope that you don't think iOS or Android is. My guess is one of two things: you are a troll which is obvious or you got burned by a BES install because you could not follow instructions.

As far as the OP goes I would get them. I'm sure if the first 5000 doesn't like it the other 37,000 will.

It's not that BES isn't secure, it's that Good with Android or iOS (or even Windows Mobile) phones is just as secure.

Laptops/Netbooks can access the network via VPN and there is Outlook/OWA.

It really depends on what that business needs and how the costs weigh out in the end, but a lot of businesses are either phasing BES out (as we are here), or looking at alternatives like Good.

I also think some people are buying into the Tablet hype when they really don't need them - or not nearly as much as they think they do.

[Intosh]

I'm not sure I understand the point of this post.

I understand the question but I don't think anyone here can pretend he has an answer. We can only wait and see.

What is it lacking that makes this OS 0.082? Maybe 0.82 but 0.082?

[stubbornswiss]

Dear Mr. OP......

If I was so "high and mighty" like you, I would have RIM execs waiting outside my office to see me, with all kinds of incentives to buy their device.

Instead you're asking for advise regarding such a major decision here, in these open forums?

No disrespect meant, but it seems like a joke to me.

[Boots4283]

It's not that BES isn't secure, it's that Good with Android or iOS (or even Windows Mobile) phones is just as secure.

Laptops/Netbooks can access the network via VPN and there is Outlook/OWA.

It really depends on what that business needs and how the costs weigh out in the end, but a lot of businesses are either phasing BES out (as we are here), or looking at alternatives like Good.

I also think some people are buying into the Tablet hype when they really don't need them - or not nearly as much as they think they do.

The encryption is only as good as the encryption on the cert. Most companies I setup love their BES and don't really complain. As you can tell, I hate iPhones. I have somany problems on a daily basis it makes me cringe.

[Boots4283]

I didnt say it wasnt secure. it is a scam that IT guys use to perpetuate their jobs. Answer this, why would a corp pay rims server fees as a security necessity when they allow email to go over wifi on laptops?

Because they can encrypt the traffic with a VPN.

[Rudee66]

I'm not sure I understand the point of this post.

I understand the question but I don't think anyone here can pretend he has an answer. We can only wait and see.

What is it lacking that makes this OS 0.082? Maybe 0.82 but 0.082?

The OP would most definitely have been provided with a contact at RIM whom he or she could field these questions/concerns to. Why he or she is not doing this and instead feels the need to voice their demands and threats here, I have no idea.

I worked as a Director of Technology for a medium sized IT company in Calgary for number of years, and our team evaluated hundreds of products and services over the years I was with the company. Enterprise companies are always, ALWAYS assigned a product representative/specialist/analyst, etc they can field their questions and concerns to.

[Kerms]

Since the PB is suppose to be an Enterprise tablet maybe the OP wanted to let the community know how some Big enterprises are viewing the PB.

I don't really think he wanted anyone advice on if he should buy them or not, pretty sure his staff have already had this discussion. I think he was more or less speaking out and probably venting a little

[1812dave]

PlayBook can do this .. PlayBook can do that .. PlayBook can ..

I'm going to break this down in a few paragraphs real easy for everyone. I don't write much and don't read much on here. Mostly, I don't post much, but I fell I need to on this one. Believe me if you want, if not, i don't care. I hold a c-level position at a company you all know.

We're currently evaluating the benefits the new PB offers our organization. We have a BES install w/over 42,120 devices (+ six every day.. lol). We're also evaluating other options. We're the client that RIM should be terrified of losing...

The PB sounds great, and I have personally used one for three weeks. It's awesome! Eliminate the OS for a minute and I think the PB is a power house... storage, camera, processor, foundation (software), physical profile. It rocks.

What I really want to know is: Do I have the pure hardware power and functionality in the current PB that will support all of the fixes, patches, and upgrades that RIM should have made before they went live? After three weeks of use, I call this version OS 0.082. I want 1.0. Not two days from now. Not two weeks from now. Not two months from now.

My main goal is ROI. Plain and simple. I want the 99.7% perfect OS by September 2011. If not, then my 42,000 users will find something else. I expect a near-perfect (with faults/bugs) by the mid-summer. I'm not talking about bugs here and there.. I mean basic integration like an (non-bridge) email client that can attach a picture from the library in two steps.

f you (RIM) pull an Apple and come out with a PB v2.0 next spring, I will literally pull the plug on the entire integration.

This isn't a debate. I need someone who can convince me that I should buy 5,000 PB's on Monday afternoon.

Sheesh! If you are the hotshot that you claim to be, get on the horn with RIM. Don't waste your time with us peons. Gawd--could you be any more full of yourself, AND could you be more childish in your empty threats? Grow up, hotshot.

[chromance]

WHY not give RIM the ULTIMATUM , and have them design a PB to your company specfic needs? WORK together make a product both get rich doing it.