1. Willard814's Avatar
    What is with all the post about people loving the PB yet they bash it at the same time? Then they go on about how wonderful the glorious iPad is. The kicker is that the OP are almost always noobs! With the technology we have at hand to research products before we buy them I can't understand what the big deal is. If you got it for Christmas research it and if it is't what you want get something else. If you don't like the PB why post about it? I think it's a good product with lots of good things coming down the pike, if you can't wait there are plenty of other tablets on the market to choose from.

    Good Luck!
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    01-03-12 09:29 AM
  2. rrrebo's Avatar
    Haters gotta hate. Some people are just not happy unless they're unhappy...
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    01-03-12 09:30 AM
  3. Willard814's Avatar
    Haters gotta hate. Some people are just not happy unless they're unhappy...
    Tell me about it! My position is why are you even here, the kicker is they aren't happy with thier own forum right here on Crackberry!
    01-03-12 09:33 AM
  4. sjfwhite's Avatar
    To be fair, IMO the iPad 2 is a fantastic device and the PB is also a very good device in need of some more maturation and development (and hopefully RIM will be able to wait out the storm while that occurs). Dropping the price brought a lot more users in and hopefully that will provide a shot in the arm for the franchise. I love the interface but am definitely going to use it as my backup tablet for those time when I need access to my work email and when I want to use my work's data connection through my work-provided BB Bold rather than my own data via IOS devices.
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    01-03-12 09:36 AM
  5. CanadianThomas's Avatar
    so, somebody goez to the store and buys a playbook on sale. gets home and sets it up and boom they notice no email, address book and so on. it does happen you know, not everyone spends all day on the tech blogs and forums. they decide to look things up online before taking it back and one of the first thing google finds for you is this forum. so, being the average user they post a question and get slammed. why? are blackberry users so defensive now that this is the only way to react? i have read people on this site complaining about this and i dont get it. are you all so insecure about your tech desision that u get this defensive? why attack new users? dont you think rim could use a few in the tablet space?

    i see it this way. there seems to be a pervasive feeling in people these days (i believe its from all the social networking) that they need other people to validate their tech choices. i dont mean like the chevy vs ford war or anything like that but wow, why does it matter so much.

    on point, sorry. OP? not to be a trouble maker but why does it bother you so much? (funny the forum censored the word j.e.r.k)
    01-03-12 09:41 AM
  6. Willard814's Avatar
    To be fair, IMO the iPad 2 is a fantastic device and the PB is also a very good device in need of some more maturation and development (and hopefully RIM will be able to wait out the storm while that occurs). Dropping the price brought a lot more users in and hopefully that will provide a shot in the arm for the franchise. I love the interface but am definitely going to use it as my backup tablet for those time when I need access to my work email and when I want to use my work's data connection through my work-provided BB Bold rather than my own data via IOS devices.
    I agree! I like the iPad and it's cool and all! Checked out my wife's friend's and I enjoyed using it a lot aside from the web surfing and the over all size. After a while maybe 15- 20 minutes I got tired of holding it. So for the record both the iPad and PB are really good tablets, the PB just so happens to be my choice.
    01-03-12 09:42 AM
  7. MrLynd54's Avatar
    It has been a strange situation for a lot of us here. Sometimes you have to shake you head and say things under your breath.
    01-03-12 09:44 AM
  8. alnamvet68's Avatar
    We live in a society where people don't want to accept their faults and biases, instead, choose to be victims. The posts by these love/haters of the PB all have a familiar theme, "....I really like my PB, but blah, blah, blah....and when I look at the iPad and see what the PB doesn't blah, blah, blah...."

    I agree with the OP, do your research before you buy; that way you already know what you're getting into. With all the high tech toys some of these posters boast about having, I'm wondering if it's all a lie, since all that high tech served them absolutely no purpose when it came to doing diligent research. The overwhelming impression I get from these naysayers is that they have been brutally victimized by RIM.
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    01-03-12 09:49 AM
  9. alnamvet68's Avatar
    It has been a strange situation for a lot of us here. Sometimes you have to shake you head and say things under your breath.
    A very wise man once told me that if you don't want your momma to read it, then don't post it.
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    01-03-12 09:50 AM
  10. blackjack93117's Avatar
    Tell me about it! My position is why are you even here, the kicker is they aren't happy with thier own forum right here on Crackberry!
    You nailed it when you said they are noobs. It is not really their own forum they are border crossers. Lurkers from other platforms can't stand what they read here about us being happy enough to sign up and say something about it.. then there is the professional troll aspect that many will deny exists.
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    01-03-12 09:55 AM
  11. Willard814's Avatar
    so, somebody goez to the store and buys a playbook on sale. gets home and sets it up and boom they notice no email, address book and so on. it does happen you know, not everyone spends all day on the tech blogs and forums. they decide to look things up online before taking it back and one of the first thing google finds for you is this forum. so, being the average user they post a question and get slammed. why? are blackberry users so defensive now that this is the only way to react? i have read people on this site complaining about this and i dont get it. are you all so insecure about your tech desision that u get this defensive? why attack new users? dont you think rim could use a few in the tablet space?

    i see it this way. there seems to be a pervasive feeling in people these days (i believe its from all the social networking) that they need other people to validate their tech choices. i dont mean like the chevy vs ford war or anything like that but wow, why does it matter so much.

    on point, sorry. OP? not to be a trouble maker but why does it bother you so much? (funny the forum censored the word j.e.r.k)
    To be clear I'm not a nor am I offended by people who honestly post here to get answers to thier question about the PB, I am referring to the trouble makers. Why does it bother you that most RIM/PB supporters don't want to here iPad fanboys bashing the PB and RIM? When potenial RIM customers come to this site and read nothing but RIM bashing post it doesn't look good especially when those post are malicous and false. You do the math dude...
    01-03-12 09:55 AM
  12. blackjack93117's Avatar
    A very wise man once told me that if you don't want your momma to read it, then don't post it.
    You sure that was a wise man, Al or was it your momma?
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    01-03-12 09:55 AM
  13. blackjack93117's Avatar
    so, somebody goez to the store and buys a playbook on sale. gets home and sets it up and boom they notice no email, address book and so on. it does happen you know, not everyone spends all day on the tech blogs and forums. they decide to look things up online before taking it back and one of the first thing google finds for you is this forum. so, being the average user they post a question and get slammed. why? are blackberry users so defensive now that this is the only way to react? i have read people on this site complaining about this and i dont get it. are you all so insecure about your tech desision that u get this defensive? why attack new users? dont you think rim could use a few in the tablet space?

    i see it this way. there seems to be a pervasive feeling in people these days (i believe its from all the social networking) that they need other people to validate their tech choices. i dont mean like the chevy vs ford war or anything like that but wow, why does it matter so much.

    on point, sorry. OP? not to be a trouble maker but why does it bother you so much? (funny the forum censored the word j.e.r.k)
    To me it's not about being defensive personally- it's about defending playbook which has gotten a bad rap ... it has hurt the device, inhibits development of said device, and adversely affects the good people of a fine company. This is not benign harmless stuff that should just be ignored - it has impact on all of us.., not to mention those who have lost money in investments - and not just wall street types - but middle class people with retirement investments.

    I don't appreciate anymore of it than is valid and legitimate.
    Just today there is a thread about lack of native email by someone that owns a BB phone but "does not want to bridge" why would anyone not want to bridge? It also is ignorant of the fact that native email is coming soon , is also available as android apps. People get the idea from threads like this that bridging is a pain and that email can't be checked on a playbook. valid criticism is fine, but sometimes it is just malicious invalid stuff.


    There is a distinct difference and the difference is usually made clear by posting history. I always say give newbies a chance to rant...I understand frustration and a need to rant, but if there is a pattern and it continues over time even after problems have been addressed - then it becomes suspect. You have to ask what the motivation is and if that frustrated or hateful of playbook why be here? Harassment? Go to a fan forum of what you are a fan of.
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    01-03-12 10:01 AM
  14. pri79269's Avatar
    Those people, in my opinion, are the one who genuinely like the device and want it to succeed, but they have concerns. I've said it before that it's a sad state when you come to a site that is suppose to be dedicated to helping other users and you have to preface your concern with "I love my ____ BUT" in hopes of avoiding being belittled.

    I frequent other forums and if I have a concern, I post it and hope someone can help me. I don't feel like I have to first say "I'm really a HUGE fan" in order to avoid snarky remarks. It's a little selfish to say you have to love every single thing about the PB to be a member here, and if you don't your the reason the PB is not doing well. It's asinine.
    01-03-12 10:19 AM
  15. blackjack93117's Avatar
    Those people, in my opinion, are the one who genuinely like the device and want it to succeed, but they have concerns. I've said it before that it's a sad state when you come to a site that is suppose to be dedicated to helping other users and you have to preface your concern with "I love my ____ BUT" in hopes of avoiding being belittled.

    I frequent other forums and if I have a concern, I post it and hope someone can help me. I don't feel like I have to first say "I'm really a HUGE fan" in order to avoid snarky remarks. It's a little selfish to say you have to love every single thing about the PB to be a member here, and if you don't your the reason the PB is not doing well. It's asinine.
    Likely true, but in many cases I don't think they say that to avoid snarky remarks, I think they say it to disguise their true intent of bashing. There is some of both. Again - posting history is the tell tale as well as the tone and legitimacy of the concern..

    Other forums have likely not had to endure the excessive amount of illegitimate and unwarranted bashing that playbook has.

    In the infamous words of Mrs. Gatz "Playbook gets to sit in the back of the bus."
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    01-03-12 10:37 AM
  16. Willard814's Avatar
    It's a little selfish to say you have to love every single thing about the PB to be a member here, and if you don't your the reason the PB is not doing well. It's asinine.
    First off I never said you have to like everything about the PB, all I'm saying is stop posting about a product in which you really don't like in hopes of tarnishing RIM/PB reputation. Nothing asinine about that!
    01-03-12 10:43 AM
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