BlackBerry PlayBook Getting No More Significant Updates, Confirms Alec Saunders
- Sounds like you're giving legal advice.
In what jurisdiction(s) have you established competence in the areas of corporate or similar fraud, potential corporate or similar fraud, and the remedies (including monetary damages) available to plaintiffs who can prove injury?
My guess is that the answer to the jurisdictions questions is ZERO.
If that is the case, the value of your advice to "move on" merits another ZERO.
Ps. I'm curious how many plaintiffs can "prove injury" by the BBRY not bringing BB10 to the PB? LMFAO.... Can I "prove injury" for my Gateway laptop from 3 years ago not being compatible with Windows 7?07-17-13 09:22 AMLike 0 - Sith_ApprenticeMod Team EmeritusSounds like you're giving legal advice.
In what jurisdiction(s) have you established competence in the areas of corporate or similar fraud, potential corporate or similar fraud, and the remedies (including monetary damages) available to plaintiffs who can prove injury?
My guess is that the answer to the jurisdictions questions is ZERO.
If that is the case, the value of your advice to "move on" merits another ZERO.mnhockeycoach99 likes this.07-17-13 09:23 AMLike 1 - BrantaRetired Network ModOther than articles in tech mags, I did not see any BlackBerry point of sale material that said it would be upgraded to bb10.
Sorry but move on. I still use my PB if I want to type on a bigger screen. And I can blue tooth my PB Keyboard to my z10. All have their utility.
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If you asked a PlayBook user, knowing what they know now, if they would have purchased their PlayBook one or two years ago, I would hazard a guess that only 20% would still do so. Pose that question to an iPad user (and I hate iPads) and I bet you get a response closer to 80%.07-17-13 09:40 AMLike 4 - [QUOTE=mnhockeycoach99;8839636
Ps. I'm curious how many plaintiffs can "prove injury" by the BBRY not bringing BB10 to the PB? [/QUOTE]
I don't know. The answer would probably not be identical in all of the jurisdictions in which Blackberry has sold Playbooks.
Furthermore, the levels of injury that one could prove and the available remedies would also probably not be identical in all of the jurisdictions in which Blackberry has sold Playbooks.
I suspect that in the U.S., where I live, the likely damages to members of a class in a class action suit would be fairly minimal. (But that's a guess; I have no expertise in this area.) Plaintiffs filing individual lawsuits might fare better in terms of damages. (Another conjecture on my part.)
That said, were such a lawsuit ever filed in the U.S. and were pertinent Blackberry management members ever forced to participate in one or more relevant depositions, I wouldn't be surprised if said management experienced some discomfort answering questions regarding the actual efforts Blackberry made to bring OS10 to the Playbook.
Produced on a desktop purchased in 2002, running Windows XP.FF22 likes this.07-17-13 09:46 AMLike 1 - POS material is entirely irrelevant. An explicit and plausible statement was made by a responsible senior officer of the company, livecast and propagated worldwide via internet. IF that statement was the deciding factor for someone deciding to buy (hardware or stocks/shares) and it was later found to be false and the company should reasonably have known, the crime has been committed. It doesn't matter if the victim made the decision which benefits a completely different third party, the offense is to fraudulently gain or benefit "self or another", or cause (risk of) loss to another person.07-17-13 09:47 AMLike 0
- Well, that's not good news. I like BlackBerry too much to move away from them, but a muted rant from me expressing irritation. I am not sure what resources it would have taken to update a few things (like browser and Android) but I was expecting some update.
Oh well, still use the Playbook as it is and still will. Just glad to know when end of life happened...07-17-13 09:48 AMLike 0 - Your analogy doesn't work, since that prior version of Windows still runs all of the software that the new one does. It may be a slightly different version of said software, say 32bit vs 64bit, but it still does it just fine. With the PlayBook, we cannot run ANY BB10 app unless the developer went out of his/her way to make it so. That's the problem the PlayBook always had - a lack of apps, and with BlackBerry's refusal to update it, now it won't run all the new BB10 apps that you see drifting by, or any new Android apps, since they won't update the Android engine.
If you asked a PlayBook user, knowing what they know now, if they would have purchased their PlayBook one or two years ago, I would hazard a guess that only 20% would still do so. Pose that question to an iPad user (and I hate iPads) and I bet you get a response closer to 80%.07-17-13 09:49 AMLike 0 - I don't know. The answer would probably not be identical in all of the jurisdictions in which Blackberry has sold Playbooks.
Furthermore, the levels of injury that one could prove and the available remedies would also probably not be identical in all of the jurisdictions in which Blackberry has sold Playbooks.
I suspect that in the U.S., where I live, the likely damages to members of a class in a class action suit would be fairly minimal. (But that's a guess; I have no expertise in this area.) Plaintiffs filing individual lawsuits might fare better in terms of damages. (Another conjecture on my part.)
That said, were such a lawsuit ever filed in the U.S. and were pertinent Blackberry management members ever forced to participate in one or more relevant depositions, I wouldn't be surprised if said management experienced some discomfort answering questions regarding the actual efforts Blackberry made to bring OS10 to the Playbook.
Produced on a desktop purchased in 2002, running Windows XP.07-17-13 09:52 AMLike 0 - Do you really wanna go there? The apps you quoted are so limited and there just those few in the whole app world.. The apps from the BB app world are so simple, superficial, limited cause it don't even worth mentioned... It's not even worth comparing to Google apps and IOS apps. If you think that is enough for you then stick to your dead Playbook and we will talk in a few years how satisfied you are with it. And i will tell you how satisfied i am with an Ipad or Samsung tablet. OK? We will see who is happier and who changed their mind...07-17-13 09:52 AMLike 0
- Do you really wanna go there? The apps you quoted are so limited and there just those few in the whole app world.. The apps from the BB app world are so simple, superficial, limited cause it don't even worth mentioned... It's not even worth comparing to Google apps and IOS apps. If you think that is enough for you then stick to your dead Playbook and we will talk in a few years how satisfied you are with it. And i will tell you how satisfied i am with an Ipad or Samsung tablet. OK? We will see who is happier and who changed their mind...
Ps. You have 8 posts....are you new to BBRY in general or just here to troll?07-17-13 09:58 AMLike 0 - The new management is gonna' do what they can to save cash. Supporting old products would be a bad move for a company that's trying to transition.
Just because they mentioned a Pb update doesn't mean its going to see the light of day. Projects get canned all the time from all companies.07-17-13 10:01 AMLike 0 - Probably not very many as I doubt that many are in use in corporations. Plus, they can still deploy manage it with with BES 1007-17-13 10:07 AMLike 0
- I personally take it further. Don't buy hopes from anycompany. Look at what it does today. If it meets your needs with what it does today, buy it. If it doesn't, don't buy it. Insert whatever product you want heremnhockeycoach99 and Troy Tiscareno like this.07-17-13 10:11 AMLike 2
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Let's go back further. Microsoft released Windows 95 in late 1994. They didn't envision the Internet and browsing. Windows 95 came with no browser, no TCP dialer, no Internet. Did Microsoft say that you would need to buy a new version of Windows to get this new fangled Internet? No. They updated their OS and they continued to do so until 2001. They have done the same for XP only now they claim their support lifecycle is about 10 years for their operating systems. You see they suffered some flack for ending the Windows 98 lifecycle at six years so they increased it.
BlackBerry on the other hand, released an unfinished product from the get go (they admitted this many times over) which they continually promised they would update. After one minor update a year ago to give the PlayBook e-mail (the latest REALLY minor update gets zero acknowledgement), and two years of waiting, and continual promises that it would see a BB10 update, they just up and said they weren't going to do anything with it anymore. I intend to point this out anytime someone asks me about BlackBerry.Last edited by tekware; 07-17-13 at 10:27 AM.
07-17-13 10:17 AMLike 3 -
No need to extend this useless discusion. If you are a PB user you know how limited you are in Apps.. or if you don't know you are blind and easily satisfied. And future apps is now impossible to come with the confirmation that BB won't support PB with any new updates..
I am not here to troll but i need to speak on PB forum about the injustice of BB done for PB users and let them know that we are fustrated with their decisions and promises.07-17-13 10:21 AMLike 3 - Lie is a very strong word to use. Did BlackBerry have intentions of bringing BB10 to the PlayBook yes. Were they ultimately able to? No. This does not constitute a lie, rather a failure in their engineering teams and a failure to communicate this to their customers. Should they and could they have handled it better? Yes absolutely.07-17-13 10:24 AMLike 0
- And with that, the door has officially closed on the possibility of me spending money on another BlackBerry product, at least until they can regain my trust.
I bought my PlayBook based on what it could do at the time, not what it might be able to do sometime in the future based on a CEO's promise, so I am still quite pleased with it and feel I got a great product for the (drastically discounted) price.
But now it will fade into obsolescence a lot more quickly than I had hoped.
The only way BlackBerry can possibly maintain a shred of honor out of the PlayBook debacle in my eyes would be to provide a way to unlock the tablet and allow us to load a different OS on it.07-17-13 10:35 AMLike 3 -
But it isn't a matter of being able to mange the PlayBook on a network. Or if the company, or specifically the CEO lied to anyone about a specific product (I don't see it as a lie).
IT'S ABOUT OUR PERCEPTION OF THE COMPANY, CAN WE REALLY TRUST THEM TO DO WHAT THEY SAY THEY CAN DO! Namely turn the company around and stay in business so that any investment you make today in products isn't wasted because they can't perform as "stated". For many companies it isn't even about the expense, it's about reliability - what would happen worst case.FF22 likes this.07-17-13 11:10 AMLike 1 - Sith_ApprenticeMod Team EmeritusLegally? Absolutely lol
In terms of the company? Probably much worse
Keep in mind this was a failure to bring the software onto older hardware. (Playbook is aging quite rapidly, 2 years + now, and it was "moderately new" hardware at launch).07-17-13 11:17 AMLike 0 -
IT'S ABOUT OUR PERCEPTION OF THE COMPANY, CAN WE REALLY TRUST THEM TO DO WHAT THEY SAY THEY CAN DO!
Their bigger concern, I suspect, is not whether or not they kept a promise to support a giant money losing flop of a product, but rather whether the company is big enough to survive in a highly competitive market with gargantuans.07-17-13 11:31 AMLike 0 - Does it mater how many post i have? Does that mean i am not worthy to be here? Or i don't care about BB or i didn't care over the years?
No need to extend this useless discusion. If you are a PB user you know how limited you are in Apps.. or if you don't know you are blind and easily satisfied. And future apps is now impossible to come with the confirmation that BB won't support PB with any new updates..
I am not here to troll but i need to speak on PB forum about the injustice of BB done for PB users and let them know that we are fustrated with their decisions and promises.
Ps. I am just as frustrated as you about not at least getting BBM, JB and BB10 app support (at minimum...but why waste my valuable time and energy complaining to deaf ears about it? BBRY isn't going to do anything about it.....so I either have to move on using the tablet as-is or buy a different one.
PSS... Not to mention that I think it is an utter embarrassment that Android and Apple users will get BBM and BBRYs own product won't (unless I sideload the Android version). SMDH07-17-13 11:33 AMLike 0 - Lie is a very strong word to use. Did BlackBerry have intentions of bringing BB10 to the PlayBook yes. Were they ultimately able to? No. This does not constitute a lie, rather a failure in their engineering teams and a failure to communicate this to their customers. Should they and could they have handled it better? Yes absolutely.07-17-13 11:45 AMLike 0
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Further to our other conversation, I can't help but think they wanted BlackBerry 10 to run on 1 GB devices initially. It just doesn't make sense that RIM would voluntarily double their RAM costs to have devices with among the highest RAM on the market. ;-) This is the company that doesn't chase the spec leaders ever.
This leads me to believe that they discovered a problem once all the pieces from all the teams were integrated and working together. The choices were either to a) address the performance issue but delay BlackBerry 10 again (putting the company at risk); or b) add 1 GB of memory to all devices and drop support for 1 GB devices and keep the launch date.
I also wonder if the plan to go back and retrofit the OS to 1 GB devices was scuttled when it became clear that successor PlayBooks were not going to be viable?07-17-13 12:15 PMLike 3
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