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  1. wuulfy's Avatar
    Hey Tony B. How's goes it?
    could be worse lol
    05-01-12 10:06 AM
  2. raremage's Avatar
    The thought of an apple product makes me sick.. most of their products look like they are recycled from an airplane lavatory.. and the os? designed for kids? so immature.
    When I see this sort of statement, all I can think is "so immature..."

    They're certainly not for everyone, but make you sick? airplane lavatory? Speaking as objectively as possible, it's pretty tough to argue that their designs, which may not be for you, have been pretty popular with the masses. This sort of fanboism doesn't help move conversations in a constructive direction.

    This is what I believe also. The smaller amount of apps for the PB is inconsequential because it has most if not all of the apps a user needs. The Appworld has thousands of apps and the maximum number of user-installed apps I've ever had was under 200. And I'm talking Android and iOS. My PB currently has 86 user-installed apps. How in the world is anyone going to need thousands of apps?

    But, like you, I want some other apps that are high-profile.
    Whenever I read someone posting about how we have just about everything we need for the PlayBook, I find myself searching Appworld for Kindle, Netflix, and LinkedIn (to name a few).

    Yes, I like my PB. For the current price it's a no-brainer. The OS shines and Bridge works about 250% better now than it did a year ago.

    But RIM still needs to engage some of the highest profile app developers to get things really moving. Why can't they get momentum with the biggest names, when they clearly have some momentum building when they bring in companies like SalesForce and Cisco?
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    05-01-12 12:50 PM
  3. Marty_LK's Avatar
    When I see this sort of statement, all I can think is "so immature..."

    They're certainly not for everyone, but make you sick? airplane lavatory? Speaking as objectively as possible, it's pretty tough to argue that their designs, which may not be for you, have been pretty popular with the masses. This sort of fanboism doesn't help move conversations in a constructive direction.



    Whenever I read someone posting about how we have just about everything we need for the PlayBook, I find myself searching Appworld for Kindle, Netflix, and LinkedIn (to name a few).

    Yes, I like my PB. For the current price it's a no-brainer. The OS shines and Bridge works about 250% better now than it did a year ago.

    But RIM still needs to engage some of the highest profile app developers to get things really moving. Why can't they get momentum with the biggest names, when they clearly have some momentum building when they bring in companies like SalesForce and Cisco?
    Kindle and Linkedin can be sideloaded and work well.
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    05-01-12 01:30 PM
  4. raremage's Avatar
    Kindle and Linkedin can be sideloaded and work well.
    I know they can, and I've done it. They work well unless the android runtime freezes, which still happens to me on occasion.

    But sidelodeing isn't the answer for significant consumer or business adoption. There needs to be a push to get these sorts of mainstream apps into AppWorld. Ideally native versions, but Android versions are great (if they can further stabilize the runtime engine).

    Whether people want to admit it or not, lack of mainstream apps is a huge factor in the adoption and success of the playbook; the challenge is, lack of adoption of the playbook is a huge factor in the lack of mainstream apps.

    For this reason I've said for a long time that RIM needs to seed the app effort to other key developers and partners to drive adoption of playbook and basically jumpstart the loop.
    05-01-12 03:57 PM
  5. Marty_LK's Avatar
    I know they can, and I've done it. They work well unless the android runtime freezes, which still happens to me on occasion.

    But sidelodeing isn't the answer for significant consumer or business adoption. There needs to be a push to get these sorts of mainstream apps into AppWorld. Ideally native versions, but Android versions are great (if they can further stabilize the runtime engine).

    Whether people want to admit it or not, lack of mainstream apps is a huge factor in the adoption and success of the playbook; the challenge is, lack of adoption of the playbook is a huge factor in the lack of mainstream apps.

    For this reason I've said for a long time that RIM needs to seed the app effort to other key developers and partners to drive adoption of playbook and basically jumpstart the loop.
    No doubt about it. I know from my own personal experience how I felt when I had to resort to settling for a PB when I couldn't manage to afford an Android tablet when I was in the market. Predominant in my mind was the lack of available apps for BB devices. But I wanted a tablet, mainly for a bible reader than anything else, and was determined to have one. But I have found the Appworld not nearly as sparse as I believed it was. I may not be able to find a lot of the name-brand apps I use on my Android phones and iPhone, but I am able to find equivalents most of the time and all-new experiences the other systems don't have. To me it's nearly fully satisfying.
    05-01-12 04:14 PM
  6. ComputerJAM's Avatar
    .. or more like it's like a magic trick.. you love the trick until you find out how the magician did it.. you are so embarrassed after knowing the secret..
    So embarrassed that you don't dare tell your friends how you've been taken by the trick; suckered into spending money by the trick, fooled into buying a new trick because you knew about the old trick, but think, maybe, this new trick has a new trick up it's sleeve. But alas, you've been tricked again.

    :P Magic!
    05-01-12 06:41 PM
  7. blacker_berry's Avatar
    Apple RULES Blackberry because they have figured out that their platform should be the medium through which others express their ideas, but they vigorously scrutinize which idea gets conveyed through their platform.

    My iPhone is sh!t without the apps I use. I would never have given up the ergonomics and tactile feedback of a Blackberry handheld if I had the reliable abundance of apps I use now. I would restart my BB a million times if I could have gotten decent apps without buying it. Seeing iPhone users getting gorgeous user-friendly apps for free while I had to pay for a bastardized surrogate on BB was too much.

    If BB OS 10 is done right and good apps are readily available I will be switching as soon as a device with a keypad comes out.

    Apples weaknesses are battery life and typing, which happens to be RIM's strengths. So if they can get hungry again I see RIM being a real competitor again.
    Last edited by blacker_berry; 05-01-12 at 08:33 PM.
    05-01-12 08:05 PM
  8. Marty_LK's Avatar
    Apple RULES Blackberry because they have figured out that their platform should be the medium through which others express their ideas, but they vigorously scrutinize which idea gets conveyed through their platform.

    My iPhone is sh!t without the apps I use. I would never have given up the ergonomics and tactile feedback of a Blackberry handheld if I had the reliable abundance of apps I use now. I would restart my BB a million times if I could have gotten decent apps without buying it. Seeing iPhone users getting gorgeous user-friendly apps for free while I had to pay for a bastardized surrogate on BB was too much.

    If BB OS 10 is done right and good apps are readily available I will be switching as soon as a device with a keypad comes out.

    Apples weaknesses are battery life and typing, which happens to be RIM's strengths. So if they can get hungry again I see RIM being a real competitor again.
    What I believe I hear you saying is: RIM is a conformist company, unlike Apple under Jobs reign, and that the reason Apple is on top is because RIM won't rebel against the traditional business model?
    05-01-12 09:13 PM
  9. digtech's Avatar
    The thought of an apple product makes me sick.. most of their products look like they are recycled from an airplane lavatory.. and the os? designed for kids? so immature.

    but anyways.. apple products work because anyone can easily use them and the os seems to be very functional for them.. in my opinion.. i don't think it's worth anything.. it's more like chaining yourself to a wheelchair and then claiming you are the fastest walker.. or more like it's like a magic trick.. you love the trick until you find out how the magician did it.. you are so embarrassed after knowing the secret..
    Who is this guy? I like you... For some reason i cant click the like option on ur post. Had a good laugh.
    Last edited by digtech; 05-02-12 at 01:46 AM.
    05-02-12 01:42 AM
  10. reeneebob's Avatar
    Or those of us that travel, have jobs and don't spend the majority of the day playing games and downloading "neat-o" picture editing apps on our phone.

    Most everyone I see with an iPhone is either older like my parents and grandparents or very young. My 5 year old cousin has both. Lol. That's great. They are user friendly...Like a game Boy. Most iPhone users are too young to remember those. Ha.

    Here's a difference I have noticed :iPhone users want to play Words With Friends with their buddies. BlackBerry user like to email, call or actually visit their friends. I really think the iphone generation is living in a digital fantasy land where Facebook is their hang out and video games are their adventure. Apple has created this World that appears to be social but in actuality is just self involvement.

    Do younger people play board games or even video games together? Or is it all done through the phone and PC now? I don't have kids so I don't know. Those high school kids at McDonald's most likely have iPhones. You know that!
    I will be sure to tell my 37 year old husband (both of us are college grads with computer sciences degrees so clearly like all iPhone users we have no idea about tech) that we are senior citizens or slackers with no jobs. Oh and my sisters 29 year old pilot fiancé who uses his iPhone for the apps that are central to his work. And not only do I remember game boys, I own 3 - two original and an advance. Oh, and I don't have any of the with friends games. Sorry I know that throws a wrench into the profile. Oh, and I own a BB too, but it doesn't get a lot of use. Actually *looks at shelf* I own three.

    Fyi, I sell more BBs to teens than android and iPhone combined. So a good chunk of those teens at McDonalds? May be on BBM right now. They tend to like BBs because they are cheap.


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    Last edited by reeneebob; 05-02-12 at 02:49 AM.
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    05-02-12 02:25 AM
  11. MartyMcfly's Avatar
    I will be sure to tell my 37 year old husband (both of us are college grads with computer sciences degrees so clearly like all iPhone users we have no idea about tech) that we are senior citizens or slackers with no jobs. Oh and my sisters 29 year old pilot fiancé who uses his iPhone for the apps that are central to his work. And not only do I remember game boys, I own 3 - two original and an advance. Oh, and I don't have any of the with friends games. Sorry I know that throws a wrench into the profile. Oh, and I own a BB too, but it doesn't get a lot of use. Actually *looks at shelf* I own three.

    Fyi, I sell more BBs to teens than android and iPhone combined. So a good chunk of those teens at McDonalds? May be on BBM right now. They tend to like BBs because they are cheap.


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    Powerful post. Don't you love how they cling to the toy excuse? Its pathetic, especially when iOS has superior productive apps.


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    05-02-12 06:13 AM
  12. varunsain's Avatar
    I really like it how some people seem to believe that their lives are enriched by some mobile applications.. or how they even perform better at work because of some apps or have apps 'central to their work' which are just mandatory to perform their work duties.. or some who are so handicapped without their 'banking app' that the entire RIM company is at fault for not catering to this individual's needs.. Like you bought a contract phone and now think that RIM works for you..
    05-02-12 07:54 AM
  13. varunsain's Avatar
    Powerful post. Don't you love how they cling to the toy excuse? Its pathetic, especially when iOS has superior productive apps.


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    MartyMcfly which 'superior productive app' are you talking about and how does it give you the upper hand?
    05-02-12 07:57 AM
  14. barskin's Avatar
    I really like it how some people seem to believe that their lives are enriched by some mobile applications.. or how they even perform better at work because of some apps or have apps 'central to their work' which are just mandatory to perform their work duties.. or some who are so handicapped without their 'banking app' that the entire RIM company is at fault for not catering to this individual's needs.. Like you bought a contract phone and now think that RIM works for you..
    Well, let's see. I have a tablet on my desk in my office right next to my pc. I can use it to check the commodities market, which I have to do frequently and get information in seconds. The comex is very volatile, and it is a great help to just be able to touch my screen in a trice like that for the data I need.

    As to your "some who are so handicapped without their 'banking app' that the entire RIM company is at fault for not catering to this individual's needs.. Like you bought a contract phone and now think that RIM works for you..." spiel. Hey, that's a great sales line! Must work like a charm.
    05-02-12 08:10 AM
  15. varunsain's Avatar
    I will be sure to tell my 37 year old husband (both of us are college grads with computer sciences degrees so clearly like all iPhone users we have no idea about tech) that we are senior citizens or slackers with no jobs. Oh and my sisters 29 year old pilot fianc who uses his iPhone for the apps that are central to his work. And not only do I remember game boys, I own 3 - two original and an advance. Oh, and I don't have any of the with friends games. Sorry I know that throws a wrench into the profile. Oh, and I own a BB too, but it doesn't get a lot of use. Actually *looks at shelf* I own three.

    Fyi, I sell more BBs to teens than android and iPhone combined. So a good chunk of those teens at McDonalds? May be on BBM right now. They tend to like BBs because they are cheap.
    reeneebob, so should i ask my neurosurgeon father, internal medicine specialist uncle, 3 family members who are software engineers, a pilot friend and my non-tech mom to drop their BlackBerrys and switch to iPhone because my 4 yr old niece plays with one?

    You care to share the models of the 3 'shelved BlackBerrys'?
    05-02-12 08:16 AM
  16. varunsain's Avatar
    Well, let's see. I have a tablet on my desk in my office right next to my pc. I can use it to check the commodities market, which I have to do frequently and get information in seconds. The comex is very volatile, and it is a great help to just be able to touch my screen in a trice like that for the data I need.
    Wow.. RIM should have really thought this one through.. A native app perhaps?

    As to your "some who are so handicapped without their 'banking app' that the entire RIM company is at fault for not catering to this individual's needs.. Like you bought a contract phone and now think that RIM works for you..." spiel. Hey, that's a great sales line! Must work like a charm.
    It does keep the flies away..
    05-02-12 08:22 AM
  17. barskin's Avatar
    (a)Wow.. RIM should have really thought this one through.. A native app perhaps?



    (b)It does keep the flies away..
    (a)Oh, God, no. That's the last thing RIM should worry about. I mean it's not like they try to market their devices to the business community. And the commodities market? What a puny little financial area, anyway.

    (b) "Flies." Oh, yes, see that's how the great salesman refers to customers.

    I, finally understand you, varunsain. You worship and adore RIM and BlackBerry. You just despise the people who buy their products.
    05-02-12 08:33 AM
  18. varunsain's Avatar
    But sidelodeing isn't the answer for significant consumer or business adoption. There needs to be a push to get these sorts of mainstream apps into AppWorld. Ideally native versions, but Android versions are great (if they can further stabilize the runtime engine).

    Whether people want to admit it or not, lack of mainstream apps is a huge factor in the adoption and success of the playbook; the challenge is, lack of adoption of the playbook is a huge factor in the lack of mainstream apps.

    For this reason I've said for a long time that RIM needs to seed the app effort to other key developers and partners to drive adoption of playbook and basically jumpstart the loop.
    raremage, do you remember the first time you ever sat in front of a computer and wondered how it would change your life? that is BlackBerry.

    raremage, do you remember the first time you ever helped a toddler solve that simple puzzle scattered on the floor? that is Apple.

    Sideloading, Web development, Flash development, renewed OS, Android integration, etc. etc. are progressive which might not be suited for everyone. But please do not ask RIM to change its ways to get rid of this fantastic 'computer' that they are building and turn it into a 'child's puzzle' so everyone feels smart using it..

    This is a new device. Learn it, grow with it.. Apps have done people good I'm sure.. but it's time to move on.. We are through with 1-touch solutions and are now ready for complex architecture. Let there be bugs, let there be crashes and then let there be work-arounds - these are signs that we are solving problems.
    05-02-12 08:36 AM
  19. varunsain's Avatar
    (a)Oh, God, no. That's the last thing RIM should worry about. I mean it's not like they try to market their devices to the business community. And the commodities market? What a puny little financial area, anyway.
    What about QFolio? Doesn't that help you?

    (b) "Flies." Oh, yes, see that's how the great salesman refers to customers.

    I, finally understand you, varunsain. You worship and adore RIM and BlackBerry. You just despise the people who buy their products.
    I despise the people who complaint because they feel it's their birth right to..
    05-02-12 08:48 AM
  20. BlackBerry Guy's Avatar
    I really like it how some people seem to believe that their lives are enriched by some mobile applications.. or how they even perform better at work because of some apps or have apps 'central to their work' which are just mandatory to perform their work duties.. or some who are so handicapped without their 'banking app' that the entire RIM company is at fault for not catering to this individual's needs.. Like you bought a contract phone and now think that RIM works for you..
    Technology (of which apps are a part of) in general and its continuing evolution has provided people with different tools for their jobs in order to make their work more efficient, effective, and perhaps a little easier. Sure it can be done without it...but why would you limit yourself? It would be like insisting on carrying a pager, and only checking email on your desktop.

    As far as RIM "working for you", they don't in the sense of employer/employee. But the reason why companies exist is to make money. They make money by selling products and services that meet the needs and wants of their customers. So in a way, they do "work" for the consumer.
    Last edited by Blackberry Guy; 05-02-12 at 09:13 AM.
    05-02-12 08:52 AM
  21. Chrisy's Avatar
    What's the point of coming to a BlackBerry forum and desperately defending iPhones?

    Who cares about iPhones anymore?

    And if you do, isn't there a forum to discuss that.

    Some of you say "I own 3 BlackBerry devices that sit in my drawer." So, you don't like BlackBerry. Why spend a lot of your time on a BlackBerry forum then?

    Again, who cares about iPhones? Most of us have used them and we don't really care to have them as our device.
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    05-02-12 09:02 AM
  22. varunsain's Avatar
    Technology (of which apps are a part of) in general and its continuing evolution has provided people with different tools for their jobs in order to make their work more efficient, effective, and perhaps a little easier. Sure it can be done without it...but why would you limit yourself? It would like insisting on carrying a pager, and only checking email on your desktop.
    That's a bit extreme.. No ones getting rid of applications nor is anyone denying the usefulness of an application. But trying to prove that your work depends on an application is a bit baseless. Companies don't plan strategies, policies and work processes based on available applications within the app world. If a company's work relies on an application, they provide it. Otherwise you don't need it..

    ps. pagers still are commonly used in hospitals and such environments as they are preferred over mobile phones.. and printed documents are much preferred over their electronic version.. so nothing wrong with using a technology that works perfect.. the demand for everything new and unique is such a drag and waste of time money and everything.

    As far as RIM "working for you", they don't in the sense employer/employee. But the reason why companies exist is to make money. They make money by selling products and services that meet the needs and wants of their customers. So in a way, they do "work" for the consumer.
    Not really.. They make the hardware and OS and sell that to earn their profits. Then they make some base applications which they believe complete the core system and cover the basic needs of a user and provide that to use for free. App world is just a market place for developers to sell their products for which rim charges a conducting fee.. They are not working for you in any ways.. nor are they obliged to provide you with any application.. it might hurt their sales but maybe everyone is not trying to be the richest company.. there are bigger things in life than that.. which most apple users dont realize since sales and billions of dollars are their only arguments..
    Last edited by varunsain; 05-02-12 at 09:17 AM.
    05-02-12 09:13 AM
  23. MartyMcfly's Avatar
    MartyMcfly which 'superior productive app' are you talking about and how does it give you the upper hand?
    I use Skype to chat with department members about different projects and presentations.


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    05-02-12 09:13 AM
  24. Chrisy's Avatar
    What's so good about using Skype on a tab rather than a laptop? I tried Skype on my Thunderbolt and wasn't blown away.

    I'd just as well use the Dell
    05-02-12 09:15 AM
  25. belfastdispatcher's Avatar
    I use Skype to chat with department members about different projects and presentations.


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    Skype? Skype is your "superior productivity app"?

    You just lost all credibility my friend.

    PS skype has been repetedly hacked to give away your info, this week was most recent incident.
    05-02-12 09:24 AM
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