1. Delirious D's Avatar
    in personal opinion what are the top 5 reasons to get the beta

    and

    what are the top 5 problems or inconveniences
    01-07-12 12:15 AM
  2. spike12's Avatar
    Con:sound lost on some games
    Pro:faster browser and stereo bluetooth.
    01-07-12 12:24 AM
  3. Delirious D's Avatar
    Con:sound lost on some games
    Pro:faster browser and stereo bluetooth.
    android games or regular bb games
    01-07-12 12:25 AM
  4. Thunderbuck's Avatar
    1) WiFi finally supports g/n speeds.

    2) Better streaming performance as a result of (1)

    3) A2DP (stereo Bluetooth)

    4) GENERALLY better stability. Yes, there are browser crashes, and WiFi occasionally needs a reset. Given that stuff just generally works better, I can live with those.
    01-07-12 12:26 AM
  5. pkcable's Avatar
    Also con, Video chat does not work.
    01-07-12 12:27 AM
  6. Delirious D's Avatar
    Also con, Video chat does not work.
    cant use it now anyways im the only person with a pb
    01-07-12 12:28 AM
  7. pgerhard's Avatar
    pro: android apps, bluetooth audio, better keyboard, folders for apps
    cons: crashes, bbm crashes, freezes

    anyhow its worth it
    01-07-12 12:29 AM
  8. Pearl9100's Avatar
    Personally, I don't have a pb.

    But being a person who works in IT who is very familiar with electronics, I would not install os2.0 when the official release is supposed to be less than 2 months away. Here is a wise axioms to live by: don't fix it if it isn't broken (assuming the pb isn't broken in the first place ). A lot can go wrong and it can be a nightmare restoring your pb. I wouldn't rock the boat unless you absolutely have to. There is a reason (other than money) why so many businesses still use xp even though vista, 7, mac os, and linux are available. You just don't mess with what works.

    Just my .02
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    01-07-12 02:55 AM
  9. blackjack93117's Avatar
    Now I understand. Get a playbook - you will understand why RIM is not going to fail.

    and I agree with you. Let it stabilize - the newest thing is not always the best. Let them get the bugs out.
    Personally I won't get OS 2.0 until it has been officially blessed. And I also never open my presents before Christmas.
    Last edited by blackjack93117; 01-07-12 at 03:32 AM.
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    01-07-12 03:27 AM
  10. Pearl9100's Avatar
    Now I understand. Get a playbook - you will understand why RIM is not going to fail.

    and I agree with you. Let it stabilize - the newest thing is not always the best. Let them get the bugs out.
    Personally I won't get OS 2.0 until it has been officially blessed. And I also never open my presents before Christmas.
    I am glad we agree on something.

    And I have never claimed to own a pb. I have used the pb and tested them out for work. I am quite familiar with them. But ultimately, my colleagues and I just could not justify the purchases and do not see an immediate need for the pb since a pb doesn't do anything that a bb phone and a tablet pc (such as an elitebook) cannot already do.

    I could maybe see law firms and hospitals using them. But they are scaling back and slashing their budgets left and right due to a down economy and shrinking reimbursements...but we are getting off topic. Let's continue this discussion on a different thread.
    01-07-12 04:13 AM
  11. yzf.shaun's Avatar
    Personally i've been using 2.0 for around a month and haven't reallybfound it any less stable than the official OS for my needs.
    01-07-12 07:44 AM
  12. Delirious D's Avatar
    Thanks to all.

    i thought the pros would be something super amazing lol. yea android apps. but im pretty satisfied with bb apps.

    guess i'll wait for the official version.
    01-07-12 09:57 AM
  13. The_PLBs's Avatar
    You can wait if you wish, it is not a huge upgrade, but there is no question in my mind it is a better overall experience.
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    01-07-12 10:09 AM
  14. peter9477's Avatar
    I've got the 2.0 beta on one unit, but when the full 2.0 is finally out, I'm not going to just upgrade it. I'll do a debrick to completely wipe it first, then upgrade.

    I'd only upgrade from a non-beta, non-rooted device, personally. That will be the most tested combination (latest 1.0.8 to final 2.0) and the only one fully supported by RIM and everyone around here. Any problems reported by people who used a different path to get to 2.0 final stand a chance of ultimately being linked back to the fact they started with an "unclean" device.

    I wouldn't even rely on a backup made from either a beta unit or a non-beta but rooted unit.

    So that's another con: the above risk, or you lose your data and settings because you take the debrick approach before updating to 2.0 final.

    (Many would disagree with my above concerns, but I'm conservative in these matters... after long experience.)
    01-07-12 10:57 AM
  15. DD1968's Avatar
    I've got the 2.0 beta on one unit, but when the full 2.0 is finally out, I'm not going to just upgrade it. I'll do a debrick to completely wipe it first, then upgrade.

    I'd only upgrade from a non-beta, non-rooted device, personally. That will be the most tested combination (latest 1.0.8 to final 2.0) and the only one fully supported by RIM and everyone around here. Any problems reported by people who used a different path to get to 2.0 final stand a chance of ultimately being linked back to the fact they started with an "unclean" device.

    I wouldn't even rely on a backup made from either a beta unit or a non-beta but rooted unit.

    So that's another con: the above risk, or you lose your data and settings because you take the debrick approach before updating to 2.0 final.

    (Many would disagree with my above concerns, but I'm conservative in these matters... after long experience.)
    That's exactly what I'll be doing too... better safe than sorry
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    01-07-12 11:02 AM
  16. asherwiin's Avatar
    Remember that the current OS 2.0 beta does not include some of the native apps that RIM will include on the official release, such as native email, calendaring, tasks, etc.. The currently available beta (its called a 'developer beta" for a reason) is really only a version advanced enough to allow developers to develop and test out their apps. I expect (hope! ) that the official release will have many additional enhancements and new functionality included that are not in the beta releases because they are irrelevant to developers.

    I'm running the most current beta, and really the only 'con' I've encountered to date seems to be a much shorter battery life. For example, using the Kobo e-Reader, at 80% screen brightness from a 100% fresh charge, the Playbook hit 3% battery in less than 2 hours.
    01-07-12 12:38 PM
  17. Thunderbuck's Avatar
    Peter's and Pearl's points are well-taken; the new consumer release IS due out shortly. I'd also add that Android apps won't work even in the 2.0 beta without a security wipe, which might or might not be a pain.

    BUT, I'll still stand by my observation that after switching to 2.0 months ago, it's been worthwhile even from the standpoint of everyday use. Whether or not it's worth your time is up to you.

    (one tiny and admittedly questionable benefit, though, is getting to see new Android apps popping up in App World; almost all of them are not, um, "professional grade", but it's mildly heartwarming to know the developer interest is there).
    01-07-12 03:35 PM
  18. canuckvoip's Avatar
    I had previously tried the Android player and it was fun until the next update smashed it. Since then I've just been using the latest public release. Like everyone, I'm chomping at the bit for 2.0 but at this point I'll wait.
    01-07-12 03:46 PM
  19. peter9477's Avatar
    ... the only 'con' I've encountered to date seems to be a much shorter battery life. For example, using the Kobo e-Reader, at 80% screen brightness from a 100% fresh charge, the Playbook hit 3% battery in less than 2 hours.
    Something's up with that. Not saying you didn't see that happen, but I can say it wasn't "real". The calibration is off, or you've got a defective unit and the increased drain is unrelated to 2.0.

    Here's why. A unit with 90% battery health, draining 97% of the energy in two hours, would be using 8.7W on average. (19.98Wh * 90% * 97% / 2h = 8.72W)

    That would not only make the thing so hot you probably would feel very uncomfortable handling it, but it is probably not even possible without serious damage happening somewhere inside... I suspect the CPU would actually shut down since the temperature would be so high.

    Far more likely it was a one-time freak occurrence where the battery level calibration went haywire.

    I can safely say that whatever it was, it's not related to 2.0 or the Kobo app in any way as nobody else has reported more than a slight or moderate increase in power consumption when using the beta.
    01-07-12 04:18 PM
  20. spike12's Avatar
    android games or regular bb games
    Normal app world games, I had madden nfl without sound and lets golf wouldn't load at all.. there may be other games as well.
    01-07-12 04:25 PM
  21. TheScionicMan's Avatar
    I'm arguing this dilemma in my head right now. I love the extras that the OS2 beta provides, but I've had it crash out on me twice. Super slow, not responding, did a restart and when it finally restarts, all I get is a double-blinking red led. Only way to bring it back to life is to connect to DM and then it loads the official OS. I've been able to do a restore from my pre-OS2 backup to both the official and the beta OS so at least it's not a complete redo, but I end up losing a couple of pics each time and I had some good ones from my LA trip that I didn't upload...

    Besides the little refinements and the folders, the thing I miss the most is the camera responsiveness. Despite all the hassles, I'm still tempted to upgrade again. Feb is so close yet so far away still.
    01-08-12 02:56 AM
  22. blue-b's Avatar
    One of my personal criteria when asked if I think someone should install it is, if your asking it probably isn't something to do. If you lost your playbook and the thought of having to load everything scares you, best to be safe and stay on the currently released build. Plus you will be that more excited when 2.0 rolls out, and you see all the added goodies fresh!
    01-08-12 05:12 AM
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