1. krazyatom's Avatar
    Hey CB fellows,

    I just watched Engadget's Samsung Galaxy Fold review and I thought maybe Blackberry can revive the Blackberry Passport with android.

    04-21-19 01:18 PM
  2. Troy Tiscareno's Avatar
    BB left the device business more than 3 years ago. TCL has no interest in a Passport. They're having enough trouble selling Key devices.
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    04-21-19 02:19 PM
  3. conite's Avatar
    Hey CB fellows,

    I just watched Engadget's Samsung Galaxy Fold review and I thought maybe Blackberry can revive the Blackberry Passport with android.

    Fold is 1.4:1. The 1:1 issue of the Passport remains.
    04-21-19 03:35 PM
  4. mh1983's Avatar
    They're having enough trouble selling Key devices.
    Based on...?



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    04-21-19 04:11 PM
  5. krazyatom's Avatar
    BB left the device business more than 3 years ago. TCL has no interest in a Passport. They're having enough trouble selling Key devices.
    I heard key2 red edition sold out already.
    04-21-19 04:44 PM
  6. conite's Avatar
    I heard key2 red edition sold out already.
    It's a limited release with small batches of inventory. I don't think we can extract much data from this one way or the other.
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    04-21-19 05:10 PM
  7. mh1983's Avatar
    It's a limited release with small batches of inventory. I don't think we can extract much data from this one way or the other.
    I look forward to Troy posting where he's getting his data from.

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    04-21-19 05:41 PM
  8. Dunt Dunt Dunt's Avatar
    I look forward to Troy posting where he's getting his data from.

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    If they were selling so great.... they have another device already lined up to release, and would not have an issue of getting carrier's on-board. Wouldn't take months to push out a new color to all markets. And enterprise would be buying...

    PKB is a niche form factor, Passport was a niche within that niche.

    If BBMo were doing great, right now would have been the best time introduce another form factor - the SLAB that they promised would be the 1st of this year, a wider format device that many say they want, a smaller format device that many say they want, or another Slider that many say they want. Instead we will have almost a year of nothing.... and if they do release another device, it will probable look a lot like the KEY2 as that's the middle of a vary narrow road..
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    04-22-19 02:17 PM
  9. conite's Avatar
    If they were selling so great.... they have another device already lined up to release, and would not have an issue of getting carrier's on-board. Wouldn't take months to push out a new color to all markets. And enterprise would be buying...

    PKB is a niche form factor, Passport was a niche within that niche.

    If BBMo were doing great, right now would have been the best time introduce another form factor - the SLAB that they promised would be the 1st of this year, a wider format device that many say they want, a smaller format device that many say they want, or another Slider that many say they want. Instead we will have almost a year of nothing.... and if they do release another device, it will probable look a lot like the KEY2 as that's the middle of a vary narrow road..
    "Great" is relative.

    I don't think BBMo ever expected "great". They'd be happy with "satisfactory" .
    04-22-19 02:46 PM
  10. mh1983's Avatar
    If they were selling so great.... they have another device already lined up to release, and would not have an issue of getting carrier's on-board. Wouldn't take months to push out a new color to all markets. And enterprise would be buying...

    PKB is a niche form factor, Passport was a niche within that niche.

    If BBMo were doing great, right now would have been the best time introduce another form factor - the SLAB that they promised would be the 1st of this year, a wider format device that many say they want, a smaller format device that many say they want, or another Slider that many say they want. Instead we will have almost a year of nothing.... and if they do release another device, it will probable look a lot like the KEY2 as that's the middle of a vary narrow road..
    K, well I wasn't suggesting they were doing "great" just because I wanted Troy to post more data around his claim that they're struggling to sell devices. Like conite said, I don't think they were ever looking to ascend to device sales "greatness" and they're happy with satisfactory.

    But if someone's going to make a claim like "They're having enough trouble selling Key devices", I expect that person to be able to back up his/her claim.

    Not sure where the Passport reference came from either. We're talking about the Key[X] line of devices.
    04-22-19 03:39 PM
  11. krazyatom's Avatar
    If they were selling so great.... they have another device already lined up to release, and would not have an issue of getting carrier's on-board. Wouldn't take months to push out a new color to all markets. And enterprise would be buying...

    PKB is a niche form factor, Passport was a niche within that niche.

    If BBMo were doing great, right now would have been the best time introduce another form factor - the SLAB that they promised would be the 1st of this year, a wider format device that many say they want, a smaller format device that many say they want, or another Slider that many say they want. Instead we will have almost a year of nothing.... and if they do release another device, it will probable look a lot like the KEY2 as that's the middle of a vary narrow road..
    Good point. Do you think we can expect a new device from Blackberry Mobile in 2020? Key2 has been kinda disappointing for me especially the PKB. I hope Blackberry LTD can build a PKB for them.
    04-22-19 03:41 PM
  12. the_boon's Avatar
    I hope Blackberry LTD can build a PKB for them.
    They won't, they're out of hardware business.

    But I think TCL did pretty good with the KEYone and LE keyboards, they're capable of doing it right
    04-22-19 03:59 PM
  13. Troy Tiscareno's Avatar
    Based on...?
    Based on the things that Dunt Dunt Dunt mentioned: not being carried by major carriers (which means they aren't getting any enterprise sales, because enterprise buys through carriers to assure support), only growing by 10% despite 2 PKB models this year compared to last year, and most obviously, the fact that they're pushing out new releases to 18 months or more instead of every year like all of the companies that are seeing something remotely like sales success.

    TCL is very different from RIM/BB Ltd in that they don't over-produce phones, flood distribution channels, and then have to discount and firesale inventory and take a big loss on it. Instead, they produce only what they really think they can sell - but we're probably looking at 1M BB-branded phones a year, max. That might be sustainable given that it's being carefully managed, but it's a pittance compared to what BB used to sell, and that's going to have an effect on everything, because there just aren't enough sales (and therefore profits) to invest a lot in R&D, app development, services, etc. And over time, that lack of re-investment is going to cause sales to wither, as it will be harder and harder to justify the cost/feature differences between BB phones and the competition.

    Now, if TCL was selling 5M phones a year and had 5 or 10% Y-to-Y growth, then things would be a whole lot different - but that's obviously not the case.
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    04-22-19 09:59 PM
  14. RLeeSimon's Avatar
    Based on the things that Dunt Dunt Dunt mentioned: not being carried by major carriers (which means they aren't getting any enterprise sales, because enterprise buys through carriers to assure support), only growing by 10% despite 2 PKB models this year compared to last year, and most obviously, the fact that they're pushing out new releases to 18 months or more instead of every year like all of the companies that are seeing something remotely like sales success.

    TCL is very different from RIM/BB Ltd in that they don't over-produce phones, flood distribution channels, and then have to discount and firesale inventory and take a big loss on it. Instead, they produce only what they really think they can sell - but we're probably looking at 1M BB-branded phones a year, max. That might be sustainable given that it's being carefully managed, but it's a pittance compared to what BB used to sell, and that's going to have an effect on everything, because there just aren't enough sales (and therefore profits) to invest a lot in R&D, app development, services, etc. And over time, that lack of re-investment is going to cause sales to wither, as it will be harder and harder to justify the cost/feature differences between BB phones and the competition.

    Now, if TCL was selling 5M phones a year and had 5 or 10% Y-to-Y growth, then things would be a whole lot different - but that's obviously not the case.
    But, if TCL wanted to preserve their small slice of PKB aficionados, wouldn't you think they would be a little more forthcoming in this and other venues to stroke us ??
    04-24-19 01:01 PM
  15. tegar ramadhanu kariadinata's Avatar
    if passport get update to pinaple,,,
    once again, i have a dream


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    04-24-19 08:18 PM
  16. Troy Tiscareno's Avatar
    But, if TCL wanted to preserve their small slice of PKB aficionados, wouldn't you think they would be a little more forthcoming in this and other venues to stroke us ??
    I think that's simply not their way. Most companies don't have CEOs making big yearly presentations - that's a very American, high-tech kind of thing (and was really started by Steve Jobs). I think TCL likes to hold their cards close to their chest, and tries not to make decisions like this in advance, but rather waits to see what makes sense at the time.

    It's better to shut up and let people speculate, then to say something and absolutely get some people angry when your "promise" doesn't work out like you thought it would.
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    04-24-19 09:39 PM
  17. Bbnivende's Avatar
    Just an opinion but I think that TCL has decided that they needed to develop software knowhow to do their own security updates as required by Google. BlackBerry is no longer their “premium brand”. I gather that Alcatel will gradually move up market??

    The BlackBerry-TCL partnership never made a lot of sense to me. A Chinese company selling phones to Enterprise? BlackBerry a security company hooking up with a Chinese OEM? Who was gaming who? Hard to say.
    04-24-19 10:53 PM
  18. AlexDelRio's Avatar
    Based on the things that Dunt Dunt Dunt mentioned: not being carried by major carriers (which means they aren't getting any enterprise sales, because enterprise buys through carriers to assure support), only growing by 10% despite 2 PKB models this year compared to last year, and most obviously, the fact that they're pushing out new releases to 18 months or more instead of every year like all of the companies that are seeing something remotely like sales success.

    TCL is very different from RIM/BB Ltd in that they don't over-produce phones, flood distribution channels, and then have to discount and firesale inventory and take a big loss on it. Instead, they produce only what they really think they can sell - but we're probably looking at 1M BB-branded phones a year, max. That might be sustainable given that it's being carefully managed, but it's a pittance compared to what BB used to sell, and that's going to have an effect on everything, because there just aren't enough sales (and therefore profits) to invest a lot in R&D, app development, services, etc. And over time, that lack of re-investment is going to cause sales to wither, as it will be harder and harder to justify the cost/feature differences between BB phones and the competition.

    Now, if TCL was selling 5M phones a year and had 5 or 10% Y-to-Y growth, then things would be a whole lot different - but that's obviously not the case.
    Also based on the fact that no one has seen any of those mythical creatures!
    05-16-19 02:20 PM
  19. beamerboym3's Avatar
    Good point. Do you think we can expect a new device from Blackberry Mobile in 2020? Key2 has been kinda disappointing for me especially the PKB. I hope Blackberry LTD can build a PKB for them.
    I have the Key2, Passport and a Motion. I switch between my Passport and motion every once in a while but stick with Key2 cause I love the keyboard and getting more used to it all the time. The have perfected the keyboard with Key 2 and wish they would put that feel into a passport Android device. Then you would have some great options!
    05-29-19 10:23 AM

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