09-13-15 09:12 PM
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  1. pantlesspenguin's Avatar
    Well if the goal is to have one's needs for apps catered the best, should everyone just get iOS devices then--especially if they want immediate availability of apps and a smooth experience? Why bother with Android, where app releases lag compared to iOS and more apps are crap due to fragmentation and other issues?
    No, because again, people have different needs. I should have been more specific that I was only referring to the app situation, for people that require specific apps. I didn't take into account other needs such as security, customization, the need for a native and robust email app, file management, good camera, good speakers, etc etc etc. Then it all becomes a balancing act to find the device that has most of the features/apps one requires. I sure haven't found the "perfect" phone for me in my 9 years of smartphone use, but I try to get the one that ticks off the most requirement boxes.
    09-02-15 02:37 PM
  2. chrysaurora's Avatar
    I don't think BB10 leaving the market will hurt the US DoD... as I think they specifically planned to not rely on any one vendor. Thanks to the outage in 20011 and BlackBerry's subsequent and enduring finical problems. So BB10 isn't necessary for the US DoD to operate - don't know of it being used very much. Yeah it will be an inconvenience for the State Department and White House...

    Have no idea about what NATO's "needs" are, but if they "need" BB10... they had better pull out their pocket book because John Chen doesn't seem to be interested in doing it. But BB10 will work for years to come, especially if you don't need 3rd Party Apps which most likely NATO doesn't.

    BB10 has failed... we have learned that Apps are the Driving force behind a platform.... so why would they bringing BB10 back to life? Why would you expect a different result from what has taken place over the last five years? BB10 is done.

    And the Runtime is really the big question right now... what happens to BB10 Devices going forward. Will BlackBerry have to change BB10 and remove the runtime from any devices sold after the Slider? Or will BlackBerry just stop selling Passport, Classics and Leaps? That could become an issue for a lot of organization that are using BES and BB10 devices. Find it hard to believe that suddenly there would be no replacements available, but then that might be the cost of BlackBerry getting certified.

    Used BB10 devices might become very valuable...
    Well. So far only BB devices have highest security cert required for certain use-cases. I think BB will sell/manufacture BB10 devices for that very small niche. Perhaps sell it for $2500 a peice (I recall that price from secusmart secured BB Z10 sold to German government couple of years ago). So, it'd be mostly on-demand (just-in-time) production for customers that are willing to buy BB specifically at that price.

    Why resurrect BB10 sometime in future? HTML5 was suppose to make apps cross-platform. It failed. People found that HTML5 apps still lacked the experience of a native app and customers much preferred smoothness of native apps. However, in couple of years, there is likely going to be another technology that'd try and solve this problem. Technology that allows you to write app once and run it anywhere. At that time, BB10 resurrection becomes feasible and attractive.
    09-02-15 04:03 PM
  3. Ment's Avatar
    Well if the goal is to have one's needs for apps catered the best, should everyone just get iOS devices then--especially if they want immediate availability of apps and a smooth experience? Why bother with Android, where app releases lag compared to iOS and more apps are crap due to fragmentation and other issues?
    There is a reason Apple has half the US market with a handful of phone models despite scorching competition in all price tiers.

    The app store is like your grocery store. You buy most the same things every week which could be contained in a convenience store footprint, but if you had to choose between much smaller store with the same prices or [name your chain-store here] guess which one all but a few will choose.
    09-02-15 04:13 PM
  4. Toodeurep's Avatar
    Well if the goal is to have one's needs for apps catered the best, should everyone just get iOS devices then--especially if they want immediate availability of apps and a smooth experience? Why bother with Android, where app releases lag compared to iOS and more apps are crap due to fragmentation and other issues?
    Bingo! Even Google bends over backwards to get their apps/services into iOS.
    Coachbulldog likes this.
    09-03-15 05:23 AM
  5. RazzBerry's Avatar
    To be honest, apps have always been the Blackberrys achillies heal. Bit better now with OS10, but still so far behind the rest. An android passport would be amazing.

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    Or maybe BB putting out more native apps like they used to. THAT would be amazing! BB used to have everything and I don't like Android to be honest.
    09-03-15 08:54 AM
  6. jhanks64's Avatar
    Great read.

    Actually reading your post had triggered something in my mind which I'd never considered which is iPad 3G for the Apps + BlackBerry PP for productivity and used as a phone!

    Kicking myself for selling now but I've just found a new job which I start in a few weeks and like mentioned above I will be locked down to a specialist set of apps on iOS but hey!

    When I reflect and think 'what am I missing?' SC is he only one personally that comes to mind other than that nothing. That's why I'm considering iPad it can run my work + personal apps and let the Bb do what BB's do best. Get work done.
    Some people just get an iPod if they only need a special app or two.
    09-03-15 01:14 PM
  7. andythilo's Avatar
    Android is great if you have ASOP software like CyanogenMOD. However stock software like Samsungs touch wiz is appallingly laggy. I don't know what the answer is. BB clearly aren't interested in joe public. A BB Passport with ASOP android would be amazing though.

    Sent from my SM-P900 using Tapatalk
    09-03-15 03:45 PM
  8. TgeekB's Avatar
    Well if the goal is to have one's needs for apps catered the best, should everyone just get iOS devices then--especially if they want immediate availability of apps and a smooth experience? Why bother with Android, where app releases lag compared to iOS and more apps are crap due to fragmentation and other issues?
    Both are excellent choices for apps.

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    09-03-15 04:59 PM
  9. app_Developer's Avatar
    What will really be sad is if in two months you could have loaded Android on your Passport....

    Kinda doubt it will happen, but who know.
    If that happens my Passport will go from my "graveyard" drawer to becoming my primary daily phone. That would be fantastic.

    But even if they just produce a new Passport with Android that would be just fine for me.


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    09-03-15 06:58 PM
  10. kthhrrsn's Avatar
    As apps are very much a personal choice,.,, whether required or imagined... there really is only an app gap when you cannot get something you think you need.... I have a 2 BB an Apple and 2 Android device... and sure there are hundreds of thousands of choices... but in the end I find myself using maybe 10 to 12 on each platform... I do agree.,, the "sort of works" Android experience on BB10 is a pain... My wife's LG 3G actually has less apps than my z30... couple of social media apps and games... otherwise she uses the built in Android email, contact and text managers... Unless you are constrained by work as I am ( have Iphone 6 for customised work app ) I never use the Iphone except for that... think it is a marvelous device for those who want to just use their phone and be guided by Apple on how to do so.... that being said... hundred of thousands apps is a great marketing tool but really... in your day to day life how many do you actually download and use on a regular basis???? and how many are really missing????
    Having access to hundreds of thousands of apps on Android and iOS really means that you'll be able to get to the ones that you need.

    I have Android versions of 3 bank apps that I can't get in BlackBerry World. I used to use Snapchat until they crippled it from working on BB10. There are a handful of others that I use consistently as well. Having access to my chosen dozen keeps me on BlackBerry. If I couldn't use any of them, the device would be less useful. It would be like having a great PC with a smooth OS and no programs installed.

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    09-03-15 07:47 PM
  11. Rob Melanson's Avatar
    I agree completely. I sold my passport to get an iphone 6 (mostly for carplay) and really missed the passport. I just picked up a new BlackBerry Passport silver edition and love it. The iphone was/is an incredibly entertaining device but just lacked that certain something that only a BlackBerry can deliver.

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    09-03-15 11:36 PM
  12. pantlesspenguin's Avatar
    Android is great if you have ASOP software like CyanogenMOD. However stock software like Samsungs touch wiz is appallingly laggy. I don't know what the answer is. BB clearly aren't interested in joe public. A BB Passport with ASOP android would be amazing though.

    Sent from my SM-P900 using Tapatalk
    TouchWiz is the major culprit when it comes to lag. Other skins like LG's, HTC Sense, etc are MUCH smoother in comparison.
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    09-04-15 09:28 AM
  13. california governor's Avatar
    Quite whining...make a choice and stick to it. Dammit!

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    09-04-15 10:38 AM
  14. conbrio29's Avatar
    So, I recently sold my Passport on eBay for around 240 - I'd only owned it about 3 weeks and it was perfect I took a huge loss of 140 which was painful but, hey!

    I switched back to my iPhone 6 Plus and bloody hell I regret it. It's horrid, I misspell words and autocorrect doesn't pick it up like my PP, miss the physical keyboard and generally preferred my BlackBerry plus the one handed operation was a dream. Why did I switch back? Simply apps - I'm a marketing manager who deals with full marketing relations throughout the company I work in and a lot of my apps just don't work as APKs or are slow and sadly apps like Snapchat are core in our marketing plans and therefore I need Droid/iPhone.

    I love my BlackBerry and after the Android dust settles I will potentially purchase a Silver Edition but while I am unsure what direction BlackBerry is going and don't want to drop 400 on a phone that in two months may be unsupported I will sadly stick with my iPhone!:-(

    Don't do it folks, don't buy an iPhone. BB Passport all the way.
    You could use the Passport one handed?

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    09-13-15 09:12 PM
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