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  1. emanuel0ss0's Avatar
    Tizen isn't android no, but I thought there were open source work arounds to get android apps working on tizen? I'm not abreast of that project but being able to siphon android apps while still maintaining the quality and integrity of your own OS should have been blackberry's goal till the end.
    You can't prop up an entire OS based on the ability to siphon apps at will. That's a recipe for disaster. Two companies (BlackBerry and Amazon) tried to do it with no to limited success.

    At this point in the OS game, you're stuck either building it completely from scratch and trying to entice developers and big name apps to your ecosystem, or going android.
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    03-16-17 06:53 PM
  2. anon(2313227)'s Avatar
    I think the ART was already a great idea but didn't help when google changed API and companies specifically block BB10 running Androids even because they don't want to have to support it. 10 millions apps is not the issues with ART. It was the 1000 top apps that's the issue will full Google suite support.

    BB tried. I can understand if they didn't and these complaints and longing for BB10 is still voiced. They did what they could and it didn't help. Sometime you gotta move on and admit defeat. Yes they said support, but that doesn't mean anything new will ever be added. They were supporting BB7 long after they released BB10.

    KEYone is the step forward for Passport users, like it or not. It will likely not going to get any easier for a Passport user anytime soon.

    I am just waiting for Blend on Android(also a longshot) and I can drop my Passport for good.
    If they have BBM for Wnndows, perhaps Continuum would be my path.
    03-16-17 07:06 PM
  3. anon(2313227)'s Avatar
    At this point in the OS game, you're stuck either building it completely from scratch and trying to entice developers and big name apps to your ecosystem, or going android.
    BlackBerry already tried this back then as you mentioned, don't see how starting over again now would help.
    03-16-17 07:07 PM
  4. ryder55's Avatar
    You can't prop up an entire OS based on the ability to siphon apps at will. That's a recipe for disaster. Two companies (BlackBerry and Amazon) tried to do it with no to limited success.

    At this point in the OS game, you're stuck either building it completely from scratch and trying to entice developers and big name apps to your ecosystem, or going android.
    I don't believe this. Blackberrys losses were not due to propping up an OS. Blackberry failed because consumers lost confidence in its brandname when it comes to innovation, and because it was too late in the game. And no, I believe the passport or type device is the device that can carry blackberry forward if coupled with good marketing and a great price point. Blackberry is out pricing itself out of the market. As for Amazon, do you have the numbers as to how many kindles and fire tvs were sold?

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    03-16-17 07:43 PM
  5. emanuel0ss0's Avatar
    I don't believe this. Blackberrys losses were not due to propping up an OS. Blackberry failed because consumers lost confidence in its brandname when it comes to innovation, and because it was too late in the game. And no, I believe the passport or type device is the device that can carry blackberry forward if coupled with good marketing and a great price point. Blackberry is out pricing itself out of the market. As for Amazon, do you have the numbers as to how many kindles and fire tvs were sold?

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    BlackBerry and BB10 ultimately "failed" because they couldn't sell enough phones to keep them profitable. End of story.

    We are talking about cell phones here. Not kindled and FireTV. The Fire phone was a complete dud in the market place.

    You can't prop up a half baked android experience and expect massive success. It doesn't compute and the numbers aren't lying.
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    03-16-17 08:06 PM
  6. ryder55's Avatar
    BlackBerry and BB10 ultimately "failed" because they couldn't sell enough phones to keep them profitable. End of story.

    We are talking about cell phones here. Not kindled and FireTV. The Fire phone was a complete dud in the market place.

    You can't prop up a half baked android experience and expect massive success. It doesn't compute and the numbers aren't lying.
    Amazon was a new player in the phone market and the fire phone brought no differentiation to what was existing. This is not the same as bb10 that has a security differentiator, blackberry suite of apps, and an android runtime. And I get your point, that's why the keyone and any android strategy will fail. That's why the dteks, and privs are failing. You're not seeing it. If android was succeeding, blackberry would have continued producing dteks and not go to the licensing game. The keyone will go the route of the priv too.

    The only device in the bb10 lineup that was good personally and a bit profitable is the passport and that is why the keyone was designed in the image or as a copycat of the passport SE but this is also a lame duck strategy. BB10 failed, not because of the OS, but the first phones had nothing different from what was out there. They were thin slabs and nobody was interested in the thin slabs with a half baked os, so the passport and q10 fixed that but was over priced, and now that blackberry has refined the software to an efficient standard, they gave up on the project to grab failing android. Get it?

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    03-16-17 11:24 PM
  7. Chuck Finley69's Avatar
    Amazon was a new player in the phone market and the fire phone brought no differentiation to what was existing. This is not the same as bb10 that has a security differentiator, blackberry suite of apps, and an android runtime. And I get your point, that's why the keyone and any android strategy will fail. That's why the dteks, and privs are failing. You're not seeing it. If android was succeeding, blackberry would have continued producing dteks and not go to the licensing game. The keyone will go the route of the priv too.

    The only device in the bb10 lineup that was good personally and a bit profitable is the passport and that is why the keyone was designed in the image or as a copycat of the passport SE but this is also a lame duck strategy. BB10 failed, not because of the OS, but the first phones had nothing different from what was out there. They were thin slabs and nobody was interested in the thin slabs with a half baked os, so the passport and q10 fixed that but was over priced, and now that blackberry has refined the software to an efficient standard, they gave up on the project to grab failing android. Get it?

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    No BB10 device was ever profitable.

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    03-16-17 11:29 PM
  8. ryder55's Avatar
    No BB10 device was ever profitable.

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    Why exactly is the keyone, first flagship in the licensing department, a miniature passport SE?

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    03-16-17 11:45 PM
  9. Chuck Finley69's Avatar
    Why exactly is the keyone, first flagship in the licensing department, a miniature passport SE?

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    It's just a PKB type phone. You're way over thinking all this....

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    03-16-17 11:51 PM
  10. ryder55's Avatar
    It's just a PKB type phone. You're way over thinking all this....

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    Maybe you're not thinking at all.

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    03-16-17 11:58 PM
  11. rajashekar sanga's Avatar
    It's just a PKB type phone. You're way over thinking all this....

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    It's a Capacitive touch PKB!
    Which might not have been in knowledge of other tech giants like Apple, samsung etc other than BlackBerry!

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    03-17-17 01:01 AM
  12. markmall's Avatar
    Amazon was a new player in the phone market and the fire phone brought no differentiation to what was existing. This is not the same as bb10 that has a security differentiator, blackberry suite of apps, and an android runtime. And I get your point, that's why the keyone and any android strategy will fail. That's why the dteks, and privs are failing. You're not seeing it. If android was succeeding, blackberry would have continued producing dteks and not go to the licensing game. The keyone will go the route of the priv too.

    The only device in the bb10 lineup that was good personally and a bit profitable is the passport and that is why the keyone was designed in the image or as a copycat of the passport SE but this is also a lame duck strategy. BB10 failed, not because of the OS, but the first phones had nothing different from what was out there. They were thin slabs and nobody was interested in the thin slabs with a half baked os, so the passport and q10 fixed that but was over priced, and now that blackberry has refined the software to an efficient standard, they gave up on the project to grab failing android. Get it?

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    I believe this too that they gave up just as they were getting the OS to its sweet spot and they had the most exciting hardware in the world. Chen built too few Passports for launch and did no marketing. Period. End of story. No alternative viewpoints should be considered. (I'm imitating the Android-Chen defenders.)

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    03-17-17 01:31 AM
  13. markmall's Avatar
    No BB10 device was ever profitable.

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    You don't know this, do you?

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    03-17-17 01:32 AM
  14. markmall's Avatar
    Maybe you're not thinking at all.

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    If you can't see the similarities you're not looking. The Passport SE narrowed.

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    03-17-17 01:34 AM
  15. Chuck Finley69's Avatar
    You don't know this, do you?

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    Tell me..exactly which device was profitable..

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    03-17-17 05:10 AM
  16. guygardner73's Avatar
    Maybe you're not thinking at all.

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    Not necessary

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    03-17-17 06:04 AM
  17. StringDriver's Avatar
    Chen built too few Passports for launch and did no marketing.
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    This. And, now that KEYone's hype at MWC has passed, BlackBerry looks like it's always catching up.
    Think sneakers with velcro instead of shoestrings... there's ALWAYS one kid who has to make everyone wait while they re-tie their shoes... always one... And then the kid knocks over stuff running to catch up with the group with his shirttail untucked.

    It would have been great at MWC to have been available THAT day...

    A smooth, well-timed, well-marketed release shows poise and confidence. Outside of the CB whirled, folks think BlackBerry has been long-since dead.
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    03-17-17 10:05 AM
  18. ryder55's Avatar
    This. And, now that KEYone's hype at MWC has passed, BlackBerry looks like it's always catching up.
    Think sneakers with velcro instead of shoestrings... there's ALWAYS one kid who has to make everyone wait while they re-tie their shoes... always one... And then the kid knocks over stuff running to catch up with the group with his shirttail untucked.

    It would have been great at MWC to have been available THAT day...

    A smooth, well-timed, well-marketed release shows poise and confidence. Outside of the CB whirled, folks think BlackBerry has been long-since dead.
    You just spit words of wisdom.

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    03-17-17 10:08 AM
  19. rhp525i's Avatar
    That poor kid with the laceups. He was the probably the fat one always last to recess, but first in the lunchline somehow. Hehe.

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    03-17-17 11:22 AM
  20. anon(2313227)'s Avatar
    I believe this too that they gave up just as they were getting the OS to its sweet spot and they had the most exciting hardware in the world. Chen built too few Passports for launch and did no marketing. Period. End of story. No alternative viewpoints should be considered. (I'm imitating the Android-Chen defenders.)

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    Too few Passports? They are still trying to get rid of it after they released 4 other device not including excluding the Passports revisited.
    03-17-17 12:21 PM
  21. Avenzuno's Avatar
    I hope BlackBerry Mobile will start fresh with marketing the KEYone in all three markets: enterprise, government and consumer. For the latter, there must be as many options, including unlocked and online and major carriers with retail stores.

    Passport owners like me will come eventually. Since I'm looking to transition all my lines to Verizon by this fall, the KEYone looks like it will be in the mix. In the meantime, I am enjoying my Passport SE and will soon add Android apps via cobalt's solution. For one-handed use I still love my rediscovered Cobalt Blue Classic a/k/a My Precious. I think Passport fans will like a full BlackBerry Android experience by moving over to the KEYone once it becomes available.

    Posted via CB10 | SQW100-4 Passport on T-Mobile. Hi Ho Silver Edition!
    03-17-17 12:41 PM
  22. ryder55's Avatar
    Government employees using android secured by blackberry? Hmm. I don't think so

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    03-17-17 02:33 PM
  23. Avenzuno's Avatar
    Government employees using android secured by blackberry? Hmm. I don't think so

    Posted via CB10
    Well, I throw that out there, depending upon your home country. I cannot say what the US Federal government, with all its departments, has as to an immediate need for replacing aging BlackBerry smartphones. Aging is okay so long as they're secure and if devices can be easily replaced if need be. Anyone know if the current preference is iOS?

    Posted via CB10 | SQW100-4 Passport on T-Mobile. Hi Ho Silver Edition!
    03-17-17 03:08 PM
  24. markmall's Avatar
    Tell me..exactly which device was profitable..

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    I don't know. See how easy that is to say? <i>I don't know.</i> You don't know. None of us know. We can make guesses perhaps, but they would be wild guesses. How much do you know about Jakarta, for example?

    Were they left with vast amounts of unsold inventory on any phones other than the Z10? Did they sell any phones at a loss? Which ones?

    We don't know. Android fans have a habit of thinking they know things they don't.

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    03-17-17 03:51 PM
  25. markmall's Avatar
    Outside of the CB whirled, folks think BlackBerry has been long-since dead.
    I have been saying this here for 3 years. This is Chen's fault and his fault only. Heins (BoD) screwed up trying to sell the company. Chen was the so-called turnaround specialist.



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    03-17-17 03:54 PM
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