- 03-22-17 04:44 PMLike 0
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Even if they gained profit from the Passport, was it going to be enough to move the company forward? Was it enough to cover the cost related to updating, maintaining, and supporting the OS?
We have debated whether bb10 made profit, whether each individual phone made profit, what the definition of profit meant in an article, whether android was the way to go, and a bunch of other stuff on this thread.
It all boils down to BlackBerry deciding that bb10 wasn't worth the investment anymore.anon(2313227) and ScoopTheBowler like this.03-22-17 04:54 PMLike 2 - I clearly remember Work Wide campaign, I don't know about no Passport advertising. As for profitable with BB10, BB was losing money with free money from BIS which they are still seeing today. So the only thing BB made lots of money on was BBOS devices and therefore SAF.
A Passport is like my Fila Skeletoes (Vibram Five Fingers-like), everyone thinks they are cool when they see it but no-one uses them or buy them except select few. Pretty much true for all BB. They may say, Yeah, I like being barefoot." i.e. reminisce about using physical keyboards (passport) but when it comes to buying it, they probably won't.
I wear these daily (Adidas Adipure, Fila's and Vibram) so I get these comment from everyone.
Same with the Passport/Passport SE, 'oh that is cool looking', 'like a computer', 'I remember using my Curve' and then go on with their life with their slab.03-22-17 07:38 PMLike 0 - I don't know how many times people have to say this, but there was no profit from any bb10 phone. If there was, the pivot to android wouldn't have happened.
The cost to keep making phones was more than the money coming in. BB10 was never generating the cash necessary for it to continue.
It can't be cheaper to continue when money walks out the door and never comes back. That's a sure fire way to completely out of business.
At that time the decision to move to android had been made. It took them two years to execute it.
Two years of expenses on android without ANY revenue from android. Later, when Googleberries were produced, they sold in fewer numbers than bb10 phones, even two quarters ago when the last numbers for phones were made public.
Money walked out the door for acquisitions and android development throughout 2014 -2016.
Without the revenue from BIS, BBOS and bb10 phones during 2014, 2015, and 2016, they would have shut down in 2013. There wouldn't have been money to pay for the salaries of all those software engineers working on the software transition.
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https://www.theregister.co.uk/2016/0...rity_response/
Posted via the Android CrackBerry App!03-22-17 10:21 PMLike 0 - Sorry Mods but the thread has been lost here surely? Aren't we talking about the K1 from PP users?
Love my PPSE - trade it for KeyOne?ratfinkstooley likes this.03-22-17 10:51 PMLike 1 -
Posted via CB1003-23-17 12:04 AMLike 0 - At that point in the game, BlackBerry wrote off a billion dollars of stock of the z10. The volume for BlackBerry handsets wasn't there. Could you imagine the outcry if he produced a million or more handsets at launch and only sold like 200,000?
They had to take calculated measures with their phone inventory.
Yeah, business involves risk. Not taking risks sometimes is riskier than taking risks.
Posted via CB1003-23-17 12:08 AMLike 0 - The logic is unconvincing. The transition to android happened in December 2013 or early 2014, according to Chen.
At that time the decision to move to android had been made. It took them two years to execute it.
Two years of expenses on android without ANY revenue from android. Later, when Googleberries were produced, they sold in fewer numbers than bb10 phones, even two quarters ago when the last numbers for phones were made public.
Money walked out the door for acquisitions and android development throughout 2014 -2016.
Without the revenue from BIS, BBOS and bb10 phones during 2014, 2015, and 2016, they would have shut down in 2013. There wouldn't have been money to pay for the salaries of all those software engineers working on the software transition.
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It looks to me like TCL now in effect owns Blackberry (the part we care about) and John Chen oversees a holding company that owns a cluster of small startups.
Posted via CB1003-23-17 12:19 AMLike 0 - The logic is unconvincing. The transition to android happened in December 2013 or early 2014, according to Chen.
At that time the decision to move to android had been made. It took them two years to execute it.
Two years of expenses on android without ANY revenue from android. Later, when Googleberries were produced, they sold in fewer numbers than bb10 phones, even two quarters ago when the last numbers for phones were made public.
Money walked out the door for acquisitions and android development throughout 2014 -2016.
Without the revenue from BIS, BBOS and bb10 phones during 2014, 2015, and 2016, they would have shut down in 2013. There wouldn't have been money to pay for the salaries of all those software engineers working on the software transition.
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I don't see Chen succeeding in anything at this point in his career except staying out of the way. Naming devices sure is not his strong suit. Nor is showing them off or selling them.
Posted via CB1003-23-17 12:25 AMLike 0 - Thank you for laying this all out. I think we also should factor in the fact that they forfeited any chance of BB10 catching on. Most people here scoff at this possibility but I think it would've been a real one with the right team at the helm.
I don't see Chen succeeding in anything at this point in his career except staying out of the way. Naming devices sure is not his strong suit. Nor is showing them off or selling them.
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I am a huge proponent of BB10 and nothing erks me more then the situation we find ourselves but he made a play and he stuck with it. The only problem is that no one except Samsung is doing well in the Android space. Consumers in general think Samsung is THE Android phone option. Sad but true. Samsung has the coffers to dominate and has.
How BlackBerry thinks it can do better then HTC once the dominant manufacturer of Android phones in the early years of Android and now struggles to make any profit for many years is beyond me.
I only hope that they do look back at BB10 and see what can be done with it on mobile.
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- People who continuously ask for a thread to be closed don't have to read it. You can just skip on the thread.
Posted via the Android CrackBerry App!The_Passporter likes this.03-23-17 09:31 AMLike 1 -
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I have a black and a white Passport and I'm very content for at least another year, as long as I can stay productive. I am not tempted by a narrow keyboard or worse security or a poor man's HUB or multimedia or popular games, SO I will be staying put, even though I'd like to sample the KEYone to see if my skepticism is valid. But I'm curious to know what other people who love their Passport think. Will you make the leap if the KEYone can bridge the gap between what we love about BlackBerry AND relevant software and apps?
Either way, great discussion. I'm enjoying reading it.03-23-17 10:00 AMLike 0 - There is no disputing the entertainment factor for sure! Some valid points throughout. I am struggling witht the move or not myself. Android connections to the world are far superior and added bonus of Blackberry security. It's just the whole flow and loveliness about the PPSE. #denial #aanger #finallyaceptance ? Not sure
Love my PPSE - trade it for KeyOne?ratfinkstooley likes this.03-23-17 10:18 AMLike 1 - I clearly remember Work Wide campaign, I don't know about no Passport advertising. As for profitable with BB10, BB was losing money with free money from BIS which they are still seeing today. So the only thing BB made lots of money on was BBOS devices and therefore SAF.
A Passport is like my Fila Skeletoes (Vibram Five Fingers-like), everyone thinks they are cool when they see it but no-one uses them or buy them except select few. Pretty much true for all BB. They may say, Yeah, I like being barefoot." i.e. reminisce about using physical keyboards (passport) but when it comes to buying it, they probably won't.
I wear these daily (Adidas Adipure, Fila's and Vibram) so I get these comment from everyone.
Same with the Passport/Passport SE, 'oh that is cool looking', 'like a computer', 'I remember using my Curve' and then go on with their life with their slab.03-23-17 10:20 AMLike 0 - Not responding, no. But I am watching and reading. Yes, it's off topic, but it's still a relevant discussion. It doesn't bother me. I feel like my question was answered by many. I would like to know the reasons *some people won't be jumping from the Passport ship to the KEYone.
I have a black and a white Passport and I'm very content for at least another year, as long as I can stay productive. I am not tempted by a narrow keyboard or worse security or a poor man's HUB or multimedia or popular games, SO I will be staying put, even though I'd like to sample the KEYone to see if my skepticism is valid. But I'm curious to know what other people who love their Passport think. Will you make the leap if the KEYone can bridge the gap between what we love about BlackBerry AND relevant software and apps?
Either way, great discussion. I'm enjoying reading it.
Until I try the KEYone's keyboard for myself I can't say I would be ok with it. As of this moment as many Passport owners will attest to, I can't imagine a better keyboard than the Passport 's.
I do hope that's not Anti-Android?
:O
Posted via CB10ratfinkstooley likes this.03-23-17 10:41 AMLike 1 - You really can't appreciate how small the keys are on the KEYONE until you see and use it up close and personal. I know I'm biased to the passport, but it doesn't even compare to the classic. That's what was so disappointing. Otherwise, everything else seems solid.
Posted via CB10ratfinkstooley likes this.03-23-17 11:06 AMLike 1 - You really can't appreciate how small the keys are on the KEYONE until you see and use it up close and personal. I know I'm biased to the passport, but it doesn't even compare to the classic. That's what was so disappointing. Otherwise, everything else seems solid.
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Posted via CB1003-23-17 12:12 PMLike 0 - Well I guess i'm the only one who's not in love with the keyboard. That's fine. But when I tried the priv's keyboard which many dislike and I thought it was better, that should tell you everything you need to know. To each his own.
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