- The KEYone looks too top heavy for comfortable keyboard use when writing notes or longer emails. I really like the way the Passport's three row keyboard works with the perfectly sized screen characters - so smooth and efficient; I don't miss the ALT key from the Q10.ratfinkstooley likes this.03-19-17 09:40 AMLike 1
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- Do you even proof read what you write before you hit send? BlackBerry is a public company. It's reason for existence is to make money for the people who have stock in the company. It's 100% about profitability. They couldn't hold up BB10 anymore. We could argue all day if it was marketing but the fact remains that BB10 didn't draw any money for BlackBerry no matter how many phones and different form factors they had. I
I still think BB10 has a place in the marketplace, but that place is shrinking fast. They don't have the money to expand on two different OS's. They had to choose one.
If they couldn't make money on handsets, they had to get out of it. It business sense. I feel like you are making emotional sense, not business sense.
As for what you just pointed out, I think you're factually wrong and your business acumen is questionable and I'm curious as to how you come to the conclusions you came to. Blackberry went out of business because they are consistently making bad business decisions. You don't go out of business because you made a great decision. All the reasons you gave are the reasons they went out of business, and I'm saying that they should have done things differently by sticking to their branding -Security! And bb10 would have won out in the long run if a few changes would have been made.
Posted via CB1003-19-17 11:09 AMLike 0 - I actually don't have the time to proofread what I write before hitting send. I don't spend my time on these forums trying to be grammatically correct.
As for what you just pointed out, I think you're factually wrong and your business acumen is questionable and I'm curious as to how you come to the conclusions you came to. Blackberry went out of business because they are consistently making bad business decisions. You don't go out of business because you made a great decision. All the reasons you gave are the reasons they went out of business, and I'm saying that they should have done things differently by sticking to their branding -Security! And bb10 would have won out in the long run if a few changes would have been made.
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So in your world, BlackBerry would keep pumping out handsets that keep driving them into the red, focus on security, market themselves like crazy, and keep with the status quo? In order to do that, there has to be profit and disposable money.
I come to my conclusions based on the fact that for the millionth time bb10 wasn't making BlackBerry ANY profit. ZERO. Nada. Zilch. It was going nowhere but down.
They tried the masses with the Z10/30 and Q10. They tried the CEO's and big shots with the Passport and Classic. They even tried catering to the low end users with the Leap, Z3, and Q5. Nothing worked. All the stories on their social media and all the expenses to be at MWC and other events were literally for nothing. They touted work wide, they touted the "Classic" keyboard and trackpad. They touted a full slab that was for "work professionals". Nothing took hold.
How can you justify them staying with bb10 and not trying something different to stay solvent?03-19-17 11:24 AMLike 0 - BlackBerry is sticking with security. It's the reason they are touting their hardening of android.
So in your world, BlackBerry would keep pumping out handsets that keep driving them into the red, focus on security, market themselves like crazy, and keep with the status quo? In order to do that, there has to be profit and disposable money.
I come to my conclusions based on the fact that for the millionth time bb10 wasn't making BlackBerry ANY profit. ZERO. Nada. Zilch. It was going nowhere but down.
They tried the masses with the Z10/30 and Q10. They tried the CEO's and big shots with the Passport and Classic. They even tried catering to the low end users with the Leap, Z3, and Q5. Nothing worked. All the stories on their social media and all the expenses to be at MWC and other events were literally for nothing. They touted work wide, they touted the "Classic" keyboard and trackpad. They touted a full slab that was for "work professionals". Nothing took hold.
How can you justify them staying with bb10 and not trying something different to stay solvent?
Posted via CB1003-19-17 11:37 AMLike 0 - Has nothing to do with Android fans or not. I own at least one model of every BB10 device model produced. That's eight (8) hardware devices. I've used BlackBerry devices since 2001 and I've purchased at least fifteen (15) BlackBerry devices since 2004. Their last profitable device was the last BBOS7 device produced, either 9900 or 9780 since those devices required a BIS plan and put money in BlackBerry every month.
Get real, BB10 software and BB10 hardware together or separately never did and never would have ever been profitable unless it was rolled out 2008-2009 era with something generating BIS type monthly recurring subscription revenue.
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Posted via CB10 | SQW100-4 Passport on T-Mobile. Hi Ho Silver Edition!03-19-17 11:53 AMLike 0 - When the market was clearly focused on phablets, they were releasing devices with cramped keyboards and limited workspace. Only reason I didn't get the z10 was because it was cramped. The passport is the only device in the bb10 lineup that actually impressed me, and to a large extent, the classic, and also, they have made many refinements to the OS, that it feels more primetime ready than before. I can develop a better marketing strategy for bb10 than blackberry obviously can, and Mr Emmanuel, it's all about the marketing.
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Secondly, it's not all about the marketing. You need to have a product that backs up that marketing. If you don't have that back up to your marketing, you're going to be dead in the water.03-19-17 12:09 PMLike 0 - It's inconceivable that some are still arguing that doubling down on the monumental loss that was BB10 would improve the situation. Pure fantasy.
The device business going forward is just a side business collecting some licencing fees. Better than nothing at all - which is the ONLY alternative.
What's more incomprehensible is why it is even being discussed. The decision was already made long ago, and there is no going back.ScoopTheBowler and anon(2313227) like this.03-19-17 01:38 PMLike 2 -
Posted via the Android CrackBerry App!03-19-17 02:05 PMLike 0 - It's inconceivable that some are still arguing that doubling down on the monumental loss that was BB10 would improve the situation. Pure fantasy.
The device business going forward is just a side business collecting some licencing fees. Better than nothing at all - which is the ONLY alternative.
What's more incomprehensible is why it is even being discussed. The decision was already made long ago, and there is no going back.
Posted via the Android CrackBerry App!03-19-17 02:06 PMLike 0 - It's inconceivable that some are still arguing that doubling down on the monumental loss that was BB10 would improve the situation. Pure fantasy.
The device business going forward is just a side business collecting some licencing fees. Better than nothing at all - which is the ONLY alternative.
What's more incomprehensible is why it is even being discussed. The decision was already made long ago, and there is no going back.
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Classically Posted SQC100-4/10.3.2.2876 03-19-17 02:13 PMLike 0 -
- I actually don't have the time to proofread what I write before hitting send. I don't spend my time on these forums trying to be grammatically correct.
As for what you just pointed out, I think you're factually wrong and your business acumen is questionable and I'm curious as to how you come to the conclusions you came to. Blackberry went out of business because they are consistently making bad business decisions. You don't go out of business because you made a great decision. All the reasons you gave are the reasons they went out of business, and I'm saying that they should have done things differently by sticking to their branding -Security! And bb10 would have won out in the long run if a few changes would have been made.
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Posted via CB1003-19-17 02:50 PMLike 0 -
Haha No. Android has failed and will fail. The keyone will be DOA. It wasn't the only hand they had but probably some hothead board member decided android was the way. It's how it always happens. They were wrong03-19-17 05:17 PMLike 0 - Unfortunately, Blackberry chose to include an android based software moving forward. As much as I hate android (just like you) and apple, I am inclined to walk into a store in April (or May) and try one on for size. I originally thought that I could never be happy with a smaller screen than my Passport and I still do sooner or later I will have too as I (we) are being forced to switch operating systems since Blackberry did NOT put any effort in marketing BB10 properly since it came to market. I started with built in screwed down car phones (I believe it was a uniden) for a buck a minute and $1500 for the phone installed and my first blackberry product was a 957. I remember loving my 7510 so much until I got a 7520 with a color screen. I remember the anticipation and feeling of finally receiving my NEW blackberry each time a new one hit the market on day one but I dont have that feeling anymore even after watching the KeyOne presentation! It was great seeing Kevin as Host even thought the video cut out right after he mentioned TCL but I think I have lost that loving feeling....now its gone gone gone wo oo wo oo wo
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Building their own devices was a colossal failure. The 9900 was the last profitable device.03-19-17 09:18 PMLike 0 -
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IF market changes you have to go with the market or find a way to meet this market.
IF you have an usp (see first IF) you have to consider the necessary changes and USE therefore this usp.
Because: IF the consumers don't find your products by themselves and just magical automatically :-) you have to make a good and effective marketing!
But IF a management is hardheaded and to much convinced from themselves... every company will fale.
Very unmagical and simply stupid ... and sad.
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