[mikael11]

In fact, the paper is orange none of the 3 devices accurately reproduced the color

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Haha, well checking facts is a good thing. I was too fast in my conclusion !

[Radoslav Valkov]

I will have the opportunity to shoot with the Passport a bit because spring is coming. Did the following test today:

Stock camera app, no flash



The same shot, with fill flash



Here are more examples with fill flash:

[the_boon]

I will have the opportunity to shoot with the Passport a bit because spring is coming. Did the following test today:

Stock camera app, no flash



The same shot, with fill flash



Here are more examples with fill flash:

Why do the Passport Silver's photos look better than the KEY2 LE's lol

[guizmox]

The passport autofocus is very slow but when an object is in-focus, it's completely sharp and precise ! Thanks for those beautiful shots

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[Radoslav Valkov]

When locking AF with tap+hold using the stock camera app it is very nice that AF remains locked even when switching flash modes. This is particularly convenient! What Camera++ does very well is AF lock at the closes focusing distance without the need to pre-focus as it is the case with the stock camera app.

[Radoslav Valkov]

Why do the Passport Silver's photos look better than the KEY2 LE's lol

Not sure, never owned the Key2 LE but it may also be related to the resolution of optics. Although software quite often mishandles a sensor which is actually a good one, optics should be adequate enough to handle the sensor. If I knew what @guizmox shared about the Passport's lens longer focal length, this would have made my choice much easier!

[Radoslav Valkov]

I love to shoot under such light conditions, today was one of those magical spring afternoons.

[guizmox]

Not sure, never owned the Key2 LE but it may also be related to the resolution of optics. Although software quite often mishandles a sensor which is actually a good one, optics should be adequate enough to handle the sensor. If I knew what @guizmox shared about the Passport's lens longer focal length, this would have made my choice much easier!

I think the Passport optics are pretty good, the sharpness of in-focus objects is quite impressive.

[Radoslav Valkov]

I am fairly satisfied with how the Passport handles WB. In addition, the out-of-focus subjects look neutrally blurred. I fully realise how good the lens is, so much in this topic is owed to the Passport's adequate optics!

[Akis Tsirogiannis]

@guizmox:

I totally agree that the PP is amazing in low light, but are you sure that it can do a shutter speed of 1.0 seconds? With camera++ I can only go as long as 0.5 seconds...

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[guizmox]

@guizmox:

I totally agree that the PP is amazing in low light, but are you sure that it can do a shutter speed of 1.0 seconds? With camera++ I can only go as long as 0.5 seconds...

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yes, I remember a conversation with the dev' (and I guess we still can find it here on crackberry) saying that the API only exposes a small range of the full shutter speed range. The lowest and higher values can only be triggered in auto-mode (with some tricks : you have more chances to trigger the 1s speed by using "night" mode, and the fastest by using "sports")

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[Radoslav Valkov]

Interesting aspect of the discussion, I will do a bit of experimenting today and post the output.

[guizmox]

Interesting aspect of the discussion, I will do a bit of experimenting today and post the output.

The "Sports" mode will basically tell the software to use a faster shutter speed, and the "Night" mode will do the opposite... the ISO setting will then be a lower priority during the exposure measurement.

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[The_Passporter]

This is a mockup that I did on my Passport but you get the idea lol. I haven't shared this in a long time.
Really makes you appreciate a wide screen.


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[guizmox]

Did a few macro shots this afternoon.
Spoiler : I added an extra lens (Pixter macro) to achieve those shots.

[guizmox]

This is a mockup that I did on my Passport but you get the idea lol. I haven't shared this in a long time.
Really makes you appreciate a wide screen.


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I still wonder why people still take landscape pictures in Portrait Mode ^^

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[Radoslav Valkov]

This is a mockup that I did on my Passport but you get the idea lol. I haven't shared this in a long time.
Really makes you appreciate a wide screen.


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We, the Passport fans are able to find so many reasons for why this weird-looking phone is so great!

[Radoslav Valkov]

Did a few macro shots this afternoon.
Spoiler : I added an extra lens (Pixter macro) to achieve those shots.

What is the actual magnification ratio you get? Extra optics means extra trouble in regard to sharpness and DOF. What is your overall experience with this combo?

[guizmox]

It's a true 4.5x (https://fr.pixter.co/products/macro-...uctDescription)

I tried various lenses but most of them are crap : as you described, pictures are mushy, and lot of image distorsions. Those are pretty decent, metal ring and real quality glass. I'm satisfied with it.
The most impressive results I had was to clip it on the Key2 x2 lens. It provided incredible macro shots. Let me show you a sample. Chicken skin.

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[guizmox]

Key2 shot using Pixter Macro lens on the x2 lens from the camera

[Radoslav Valkov]

Right, the king of defocus and bokeh!















This is the best result yielded with night mode and the stock camera app @ 1/17s



Conclusion: Passport is the great daylight performer with outstanding optics offering macro functionality. Low-light scenes are not its strength.

[guizmox]

Achieving a low-light shot is not easy on that device, and requires some tricks and patience, but I like the results much more than those I obtained with the Priv for 2 reasons :

- The Priv can't go below a 1/2s shutter speed
- The Priv, like most of the smartphones of that era, massively reduces the color saturation in low-light situations (explanation here : https://www.theverge.com/2016/10/27/...-light-feature)
"Levoy also said that “by taking multiple images and aligning them, we can afford to keep the colors saturated in low light. Most other manufacturers don't trust their colors in low light, and so they desaturate, and you'll see that very clearly on a lot of phones — the colors will be muted in low light, and our colors will not be as muted."
- The Passport does not mute the colors in low-light : those are hightly reduced, but not muted. I did some comparisons, of course

But, to be more global on the subject, I'm sure your beautiful results with macro shots are achieved with patience & talent. That's why, despite the flaws and/or limitations of a camera, a good photographer learns how to extract the best of it... by learning it.

[Radoslav Valkov]

@guizmox With ISO 888 and 1/17s with the stock app there were good macro results at dusk that were not muted at all (but camera shake occurred, as expected and ruined the test). I will probably need to use the ugly and disintegrating genuine hardshell Passport case in order to mount the phone on a tripod. Before testing this in detail, I will post the very last peach blossom from today. Again, WB is accurate and defocus is pleasant.



HDR

[guizmox]

Looking forward to see your tests. I don't know if it's your garden but it's a really nice place !
Passport handles digital noise decently if you can keep the ISO < 800 ISO. On the Key2, anything > 400 ISO is really noisy

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[Radoslav Valkov]

Even more defocus here, love this lens!