10-02-14 02:13 PM
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  1. Joao Oliveira's Avatar
    Don't be anti-progress. It makes BlackBerry look bad even if it doesn't matter.

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    Wich progress? There's no progress, Phones are SO FAR from needing 64bit.
    I'm not anti-progress, I'm just not anti useless stuff in my phone that will make it more expensive without any need.

    Maybe I'm stupid for wanting features that actualy do something in real life, instead of features made to make the specsheet look pretty. Unfortunatly, the ignorant consumer eats everything that "has more"... For the ignorant, more=better, even when more is actually worse (like too many megapixels)

    I'm sorry, I don't buy that kind of consumerist behaviour.
    09-30-14 03:05 PM
  2. ZeroBarrier's Avatar
    Can the Passport's hardware support a 64-bit version of BB10? That's all I care about, because BB10 is quickly going to become the only 32-bit OS on the market...we're always behind.

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    What the flipping squirel are you even talking about. No mobile OS is 64-bit yet, nor would any mobile OS even benefit from being coded in 64-bit right now. Not to mention that the iPhone will probably the last phone on the planet that goes from 32-bit to 64-bit; you do realize that Apple hates even the idea of including anything over 1GB RAM on their iPhones, right? And I can't imagine iOS working very well on just 1GB RAM if apps are built on 64-bit.

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    09-30-14 03:56 PM
  3. kbz1960's Avatar
    Wich progress? There's no progress, Phones are SO FAR from needing 64bit.
    I'm not anti-progress, I'm just not anti useless stuff in my phone that will make it more expensive without any need.

    Maybe I'm stupid for wanting features that actualy do something in real life, instead of features made to make the specsheet look pretty. Unfortunatly, the ignorant consumer eats everything that "has more"... For the ignorant, more=better, even when more is actually worse (like too many megapixels)

    I'm sorry, I don't buy that kind of consumerist behaviour.
    Does more than that. It isn't all about accessing more memory. There are the other benefits from it even if apps don't take advantage of it.
    09-30-14 03:58 PM
  4. Joao Oliveira's Avatar
    Does more than that. It isn't all about accessing more memory. There are the other benefits from it even if apps don't take advantage of it.
    I'm sorry mate, but you're wrong, you can trust me...
    The benneficts of a 64bit processor is that it runs better applications which handle large data arrays, otherwise is the same as 32bit. And phone applications are still a bit far from taking advantage of a 64bit processor (phones don't even have enought memory to run large data arrays), even most PC are... You won't see much beneficts in running 64bits in sotfware othar than Games or CAD, it's as simple as that.

    Open Photoshop in both 32 or 64 bits for example, unless you're dealing with a high number of files and crazy *** textures like High res pictures, you won't see ANY difference in performance between the two. The same with running windows 32 or 64bit. if you never go over the usage of 4gb of ram, there are NO benneficts in performance. Same with games, there were plenty with games that installed both 32 and 64bit version... Again, no difference...

    Rule of thumb, if you never use more than 4GB of ram, you won't see a gain in performance... Ask any IT specialist you want. 64 vs 32bit has been around for AGES in the desktop industry, and phones processors aren't changing anything, because phone processors are the same as desktop processors, but with a much simpler architecture = less instructions per cyle
    09-30-14 04:08 PM
  5. kbz1960's Avatar
    Passport - does it matter that it's not 64 bit?-screenshot-46-.png

    32-bit vs 64-bit - Difference and Comparison | Diffen

    I'm not saying bb should or shouldn't. I'm just saying there are benefits from it.
    09-30-14 05:35 PM
  6. ZeroBarrier's Avatar
    32-bit vs 64-bit - Difference and Comparison | Diffen

    I'm not saying bb should or shouldn't. I'm just saying there are benefits from it.
    You're comparing desktop OS to mobiles OS, which is an Apple's to Oranges comparison and doesn't necessarily apply.

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    09-30-14 05:44 PM
  7. deadcowboy's Avatar
    What the flipping squirel are you even talking about. No mobile OS is 64-bit yet, nor would any mobile OS even benefit from being coded in 64-bit right now. Not to mention that the iPhone will probably the last phone on the planet that goes from 32-bit to 64-bit; you do realize that Apple hates even the idea of including anything over 1GB RAM on their iPhones, right? And I can't imagine iOS working very well on just 1GB RAM if apps are built on 64-bit.

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    ...iPhone 5S is 64-bit, Android is going 64-bit next year


    Are you serious or trolling here?

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    09-30-14 06:42 PM
  8. Joao Oliveira's Avatar
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    32-bit vs 64-bit - Difference and Comparison | Diffen

    I'm not saying bb should or shouldn't. I'm just saying there are benefits from it.
    That article totaly supports my point... It's pretty much all about memory allocation... about the RAM
    09-30-14 06:44 PM
  9. matt4pack's Avatar
    Yes when we get to 4gb of ram we'll need the os to be 64bit. Until then it's pointless and I'm pretty sure BlackBerry is making bb10 64bit ready now as we have a device with 3gb already.

    The iphone comes with 1gb of ram so for them to even advertise 64bit is kind of funny.

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    09-30-14 06:57 PM
  10. tigerinexile's Avatar
    Put it this way: the iPhone 4s and iPhone 5 ran on iOS 7 and 8, even though those OSes were for the 64-bit iPhone 5s and above.

    No reason why the Passport shouldn't be supported for at least a couple of years.


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    09-30-14 07:03 PM
  11. ZeroBarrier's Avatar
    ...iPhone 6 is 64-bit, iOS is now 64-bit

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    While this is technically correct, the fact that all iPhones are 1GB means that is doesn't benefit from a 64-bit instruction set at all. The only reason Apple moved iOS to 64-bit was to unify the iOS/OS X app codebase and making it easier for developers to code for both.

    Tout iOS being 64-bit all you want, but the fact is that it runs nearly identical to when it was still 32-bit due to limited RAM on iOS devices.

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    09-30-14 07:12 PM
  12. app_Developer's Avatar
    While this is technically correct, the fact that all iPhones are 1GB means that is doesn't benefit from a 64-bit instruction set at all. The only reason Apple moved iOS to 64-bit was to unify the iOS/OS X app codebase and making it easier for developers to code for both.

    Tout iOS being 64-bit all you want, but the fact is that it runs nearly identical to when it was still 32-bit due to limited RAM on iOS devices.

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    How can you say it doesn't benefit from the new instruction set? ARMv8 is a completely new instruction set with many efficiencies compared to 7.

    You also have much more register space which is extremely useful on ARM.

    People are comparing Intel 32 vs 64 to ARMv7 vs v8 and these are very different things. Even if phones never reach 4GB+, the improved instruction set and all the extra register space are very useful.


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    09-30-14 07:22 PM
  13. Joao Oliveira's Avatar
    Yes when we get to 4gb of ram we'll need the os to be 64bit. Until then it's pointless and I'm pretty sure BlackBerry is making bb10 64bit ready now as we have a device with 3gb already.

    The iphone comes with 1gb of ram so for them to even advertise 64bit is kind of funny.

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    Over 4gb, at 4gb 32bit still is enough
    09-30-14 08:47 PM
  14. kbz1960's Avatar
    I give up. 32bit is soooooo much better.
    10-01-14 06:31 AM
  15. TheoRadu's Avatar
    Can the Passport's hardware support a 64-bit version of BB10? That's all I care about, because BB10 is quickly going to become the only 32-bit OS on the market...we're always behind.

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    Not true. BlackBerry 10.2.1 had a lot more features out of the box (and still has) than iOS7 and WP8. With BlackBerry 10.3 that lead increased even more. 64 bit support is not a feature as it doesn't benefit the user yet. It wouldn't make the Passport do more things or run faster (it's already as fast as a mobile device can be).

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    10-01-14 06:46 AM
  16. deadcowboy's Avatar
    Not true. BlackBerry 10.2.1 had a lot more features out of the box (and still has) than iOS7 and WP8. With BlackBerry 10.3 that lead increased even more. 64 bit support is not a feature as it doesn't benefit the user yet. It wouldn't make the Passport do more things or run faster (it's already as fast as a mobile device can be).

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    It could improve battery life. The OS could be more efficient overall. It's not only RAM. And the other benefit is that we'd not be catching up again when Android is 64-bit and we can't handle a new runtime. Nothing wrong with being ahead of the curve and on the bleeding edge if it has NO downsides. Also, NOW is the time to do it, before people have developed too many apps as BlackBerry could be making a comeback.

    Seriously what is the downside? No one can tell me.

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    10-01-14 07:25 AM
  17. II ARROWS's Avatar
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    32-bit vs 64-bit - Difference and Comparison | Diffen

    I'm not saying bb should or shouldn't. I'm just saying there are benefits from it.
    Technically it isn't correct.
    64 bit system usually use 40 bit for memory address, to reduce overhead and pointers size, as 1 TB of memory would not be available in the near future, or needed.
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    10-01-14 09:14 AM
  18. II ARROWS's Avatar
    Over 4gb, at 4gb 32bit still is enough
    No, because the address space is also used to address peripherals.
    In a phone, those are the screen, the touch digitizers, buttons, antennas, SD slot, USB port, SIM reader, etcetera...

    Everyone of these, occupy at least one address space.
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    10-01-14 09:18 AM
  19. tigerinexile's Avatar
    One can walk and chew gum at the same time.

    BB10 and Blackberry devices clearly should be heading into 64-bit territory, but it's fine that the Passport hasn't yet. It won't be crucial within its reasonable service life (2-3 years).
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    10-01-14 09:19 AM
  20. TheoRadu's Avatar
    It could improve battery life. The OS could be more efficient overall. It's not only RAM. And the other benefit is that we'd not be catching up again when Android is 64-bit and we can't handle a new runtime. Nothing wrong with being ahead of the curve and on the bleeding edge if it has NO downsides. Also, NOW is the time to do it, before people have developed too many apps as BlackBerry could be making a comeback.

    Seriously what is the downside? No one can tell me.

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    Battery life would be exactly the same and so would performance.

    There is no downside, but it's something that is not required at the moment and BlackBerry should probably focus on new features and existing bugs before future proofing the OS.

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    10-01-14 02:37 PM
  21. II ARROWS's Avatar
    One can walk and chew gum at the same time.
    One can kick *** and chew bubble gum at the same time.
    Unless you are out of gums.

    Battery life would be exactly the same and so would performance.
    Not exactly. 64 bit processors are more complex, then more power needed.
    I think the difference is almost irrelevant, but 64 bit processors usually bring a lot of new instruction and that's where the difference lies.
    10-02-14 02:13 PM
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