- It does matter (a lot) that work is done to get a 64 bit version of qnx ready and then 64bit os10 and that the work starts now, but it does not matter that the passport released this year 2014 is 32bit.
By end of 2016 expect 64bit mobile processors to be the norm.
Expect these processors to be 16nm even 14nm die which means much better battery life.
(20nm 64bit snapdragon chips will be in phones mid 2015)
Still there's a saving grace a 32 bit os should be able to run on 64 bit hardware.Last edited by gg bb; 09-11-14 at 04:58 PM.
09-11-14 03:29 PMLike 2 -
Still, that has nothing to do with the PassPort and I wouldn�t worry about that in the least. However, the transition to 64 bit is one of the indicators on how quickly iOS and Android advance. BlackBerry made a jumpstart with the purchase of QNX, but they may fall behind more quickly now with the development capacity ever more reduced.3Dee likes this.09-11-14 08:53 PMLike 1 - 09-11-14 10:03 PMLike 0
- 64 bit on a phone is absurd. There has been 64 bit processors for computers for years and years and there are still tons of programs and applications that are not written for it. Just how much serious data crunching or CPU intensive calculations need to be done on a smartphone. This whole spec race is really getting ridiculous. These are phones not supercomputers. Anything more than a 32 bit dual core CPU in a smartphone is useless and a waste of battery. Faster CPU's and CPU's with more cores use more power. More power means lower battery life. Phone manufacturers should be focusing on efficiency per CPU cycle and more efficient OS software rather than raising the specs on everything.09-11-14 10:21 PMLike 2
- 64 bit on a phone is absurd. There has been 64 bit processors for computers for years and years and there are still tons of programs and applications that are not written for it. Just how much serious data crunching or CPU intensive calculations need to be done on a smartphone. This whole spec race is really getting ridiculous. These are phones not supercomputers. Anything more than a 32 bit dual core CPU in a smartphone is useless and a waste of battery. Faster CPU's and CPU's with more cores use more power. More power means lower battery life. Phone manufacturers should be focusing on efficiency per CPU cycle and more efficient OS software rather than raising the specs on everything.
If my PC had 32bit CPU (and therefore 32bit OS), it would only be able to use 3GB memory instead of 16GB that it uses now.
But I agree with you, there is no need (for now) to make phones so powerful. We'll see what the future brings09-12-14 05:36 AMLike 2 -
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That's the sort of thing that end up happening when marketing departments have the last word.
Posted from my BlackBerry Z30 STA100-2 /10.2.1.3247 on O2 UK - Activated on BES10.2.3JELLOMAN99 likes this.09-12-14 06:53 AMLike 1 - Processing power, heat and power usage are all that matters in a hand held. Tight and well maintained code can run fast on the crappiest of hardware, unfortunately coding (my opinion) is loose today. The solution has been throw more/better hardware at it, which has worked, but will eventually run in to its own wall. Full size processors aren't shrink as fast that they used to, but ARM processors are still 'large' and have room to get smaller faster. ARM is/has been 32 bit, but like all cpu vendors, shrinking and die changes to 64bit are where they are going. ARM processors are in servers, desktop/laptops and phones. At some point, 64bit will be all your buying no matter the platform.
If your phone runs equally as well on a 32bit vs 64bit cpu, as a business, why buy the 64bit chip and increase your manufacturing costs (assuming different price points)? Only reason you would switch is because you need to. My guess, Apple needed to, same as Samsung.lift likes this.09-12-14 07:40 AMLike 1 - I don't think so. As far as I know the ARM V8A is backwards compatible with the previous instruction set so there shouldn't be hard obsolesence point. The main advantages of the new instruction set are support for more RAM and 64bit performs around 10% faster than 32bit on average.kbz1960 likes this.09-12-14 08:50 AMLike 1
- PCs and laptops are 64bit. Transition from 8bit to 16bit was quite quick once PCs arrived on the scene. 16 to 32 took a little longer. 32bit has lasted quite a while. 64bit is the stopping off point for silicon transistor technology.
(there may be 128 bit and even 1024bit registers and memory bus's but still silicon processors will stay at 64bit).
Its desirable for phones to be 64bit. Everything's going to need to be 64 bit.
Apple and Microsoft are on target for 64 bit because their goal is towards a single platform. Android may be further behind than BlackBerry even though they announced 64 bit phones they don't run any 64bit software!09-12-14 11:31 AMLike 0 - Only when using code optimized for 64 bit. Just because a processor is 64 bit does not mean it is automatically faster than it's 32 bit equivalent. I'm sure some time in the future, everything will be running 64 bit and programs will be written to optimize that. But right now almost nothing currently written for phones is written for 64 bit. It's just overkill for now and like I said, these are phones we are talking about. Not full size laptops or desktops.09-12-14 02:27 PMLike 0
- It does matter (a lot) that work is done to get a 64 bit version of qnx ready and then 64bit os10 and that the work starts now, but it does not matter that the passport released this year 2014 is 32bit.
By end of 2016 expect 64bit mobile processors to be the norm.
Expect these processors to be 16nm even 14nm die which means much better battery life.
(20nm 64bit snapdragon chips will be in phones mid 2015)
Still there's a saving grace a 32 bit os should be able to run on 64 bit hardware.
Posted via CB1009-13-14 07:19 AMLike 0 -
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Going 64-bit isn't really about apps at all, not in 2014 or 2015. It's about long term future proofing in terms of the OS being able to address memory ranges beyond 3GB and the battery power efficiency that happens to come along with the chipsets that 64-bit processors happen to use.
Posted from my BlackBerry Z30 STA100-2 /10.2.1.3247 on O2 UK - Activated on BES10.2.409-30-14 06:10 AMLike 0 - At this point 64bit don't matter because the apps and OS don't support it.
Right now 64 bit is a marketing gimmick.
Posted via CB1009-30-14 09:08 AMLike 0 - This video is a must watch... It will tell you all you need to know between 32 vs 64 bits. (and how 64bits it's not that relevant yet in the smartphone industry)
09-30-14 09:18 AMLike 0 -
Z10STL100-3/10.3.0.105209-30-14 10:28 AMLike 0 - 64 bit on a phone is absurd. There has been 64 bit processors for computers for years and years and there are still tons of programs and applications that are not written for it. Just how much serious data crunching or CPU intensive calculations need to be done on a smartphone. This whole spec race is really getting ridiculous. These are phones not supercomputers. Anything more than a 32 bit dual core CPU in a smartphone is useless and a waste of battery. Faster CPU's and CPU's with more cores use more power. More power means lower battery life. Phone manufacturers should be focusing on efficiency per CPU cycle and more efficient OS software rather than raising the specs on everything.09-30-14 10:41 AMLike 0
- Can the Passport's hardware support a 64-bit version of BB10? That's all I care about, because BB10 is quickly going to become the only 32-bit OS on the market...we're always behind.
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