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  1. Jesse Stanghini's Avatar
    This thread could possibly...no wait...IT IS A DEFINITE FAIL.

    Thank you. Good Day. No Hard Feelings OP.
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    07-28-14 11:02 AM
  2. chrispmoto's Avatar
    Don't the majority of phone buyers now buy a two year contract and not really give a **** what a phone costs?
    I don't.


    Z30 user and lover.
    07-28-14 11:06 AM
  3. eduzojordan's Avatar
    Go ahead. It won't make the argument made by the OP any weaker. Fact is that Blackberry does not command premium pricing. They are a bottom feeder ATM and need to conform to that for now. Once they regain some market presence by all means charge more if you continue to make premium devices.

    Posted via CrackBerry App
    No really, JC said that BB needs to sale 10 million devices yearly to be profitable.
    Besides I don't think that Passport is for the masses, like the Curve was.
    Why people keep speculating with a device is not even for sale yet!
    Give it a rest already.
    07-28-14 11:14 AM
  4. divyan's Avatar
    In summary: another useless thread.
    Exactly. Panic reaction from fanbois of other platforms. I am thinking, what possible benefits would such visionaries will have whatever happens to the product?


    Posted via CB10 from my Z30
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    07-28-14 11:15 AM
  5. tp2386's Avatar
    Don't the majority of phone buyers now buy a two year contract and not really give a **** what a phone costs?
    I don't.

    Z30 user and lover.
    You have to think about the folks in the US. Chances are, we may not even get one carrier to pick this phone up and we have to buy it unlocked.
    07-28-14 11:21 AM
  6. Ment's Avatar
    It's only a fail if you want to believe the Passport will sell millions and millions of devices. Not built for that and won't achieve it. As a premium PK device primarily geared toward enterprise it will do well its its niche category.
    07-28-14 11:30 AM
  7. collinc93's Avatar
    I know we have heard all before, what more can I say? ....pack your suitcases...travelling isnt cheap
    07-28-14 11:32 AM
  8. bluelights's Avatar
    My opinion is the passport should be priced under other premium devices, if BlackBerry wants to get the business users back on board then it should be an attractive price point.

    I would even go as far to say it should be between 350 - 450 sim free, anything above 450 would simply be insane, blackberry has to get business users back on board, enterprise market will be ok but small to medium businesses will be a good strong place for them to get wide spread circulation and start bringing the faith back.

    I'll still get one even if it is higher but that's because like everyone else here appreciate BB10 and can see clearly how it will work for my needs.



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    07-28-14 11:56 AM
  9. 1magine's Avatar
    What is failure? A million devices in 3 months? 500,000 devices in a year? Generating $3M in net income in 3 months? Generating 10 million gross in 6 months? BB not achieving 2% market share by 2015. How are we judging the success or failure of this device? By awards won? Sale through? The device is targeted squarly at Enterprise, if they only sell 250K to enterprise users in the next quarter, but 1.5M to non-BES users, it a success then? The problem with all of this, is that unless BB details how they lost tens of millions making the device or their sales goals, we have no way to judge the success or failure of a device. Personally - most people thought the Storm was a total disaster. To this day, many inside and now expelled from BBRY think of the Storm as a success, not only from the engineering and design standpoint, but from both a sales and marketing standpoint.Does it need to sell more than the next gen Iphone or HTC One?
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    07-28-14 12:52 PM
  10. Joseph Mendez1's Avatar
    The reason I got a nexus 5 is because Tmobile wouldn't offer any blackberry devices and the unlocked prices of the blackberries were too high for me. Then you have a clearly blackberry former user with an android device. I'm sure there's a lot of people like me, wanting to get hands on a bb10 device. They are not in a position right now to be competing against the giants. It wouldn't work that way for them. They need to get the consumer attention somehow. Adding the google play store would help a lot. But that's not going to happen anytime soon, so the last option is competitive price. I'm sure this would grab some attention.

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    07-28-14 12:56 PM
  11. NaijaBerry's Avatar
    Anyhow you cut it, BlackBerry needs to be very cautious with their pricing, you can't price this phone in iPhone territory, those things are almost like investments with the second hand value they command. BlackBerry needs to build their credibility once again, it doesn't make a difference how cutting edge the passport is, it's a BlackBerry.......to most what that means is not positive!
    dejanh likes this.
    07-28-14 01:05 PM
  12. Sean Fanelli's Avatar
    They really have to get commercials aired

    Posted via CB10
    07-28-14 01:17 PM
  13. nbaliga's Avatar
    Everybody here knows the passport will not be cheap. In fact it will be price around the same as an iphone or galaxy and thats why it will fail. Don't get me wrong. I'm a former blackberry user looking forward to try bb10. But thats the reality here. Blackberry still lack behind android and ios in terms of apps. People will always prefer a galaxy or iphone if it cost the same as the passport. That's why they need to get their price right at the begining, otherwise it will be a flop, another to the list.

    Posted via CrackBerry App
    Apparently the iPhone and Galaxy are selling well at the same price, then why do you consider the Passport to be expensive? Seems to me like you're already claiming the Passport is inferior and not worth the same price?

    I think BBRY is going for premium/prestige/niche business model for devices in the US and Foxconn designed cheaper ones for the emerging markets around the globe. I'm thinking it will actually cost MORE than the iPhone because they will want this to be an executive/business device that not everyone can afford. They will probably price the Classic more in line with having more volume in sales.
    wincyUt and spikesolie like this.
    07-28-14 01:18 PM
  14. Daveensannie's Avatar
    Don't care I'm buying it anyway lol I think it's an awesome device with good specs and sounds, apps won't be a problem anymore and the best part......it's different then all the main phones.....its hip to be square

    Posted via CB10
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    07-28-14 01:19 PM
  15. mvpcrossxover's Avatar
    Bait thread and I ain't gon bite.
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    07-28-14 01:21 PM
  16. anon1727506's Avatar
    What is failure? A million devices in 3 months? 500,000 devices in a year? Generating $3M in net income in 3 months? Generating 10 million gross in 6 months? BB not achieving 2% market share by 2015. How are we judging the success or failure of this device? By awards won? Sale through? The device is targeted squarly at Enterprise, if they only sell 250K to enterprise users in the next quarter, but 1.5M to non-BES users, it a success then? The problem with all of this, is that unless BB details how they lost tens of millions making the device or their sales goals, we have no way to judge the success or failure of a device. Personally - most people thought the Storm was a total disaster. To this day, many inside and now expelled from BBRY think of the Storm as a success, not only from the engineering and design standpoint, but from both a sales and marketing standpoint.Does it need to sell more than the next gen Iphone or HTC One?
    STORM was a sales success... How much of that was due to the BOGO offers? How much of that was due to Verizon touting it as an iPhone Killer? How much was due to it being a BlackBerry? But in the end I think the STORM is the reason so many today HATE BlackBerry... that was a very sour Berry. It didn't come close to providing the iPhone experience, and Verizon quickly figured out that Android was a much better competitor than anything BlackBerry could do.

    As to the Passport and pricing... I agree that if the Classic had come first and you didn't have so many year old devices, that the Passport would be viewed differently. But launching your 1st new device (I assume the Passport is launching before the Z3 LTE in many markets) in over a year and making it some super premium device... is very "risky" in the least. We don't know where the Passport will be priced.... but based on the PlayBook, Z10, Z3.... we have a pretty good idea.

    I expect BlackBerry will make money on the Passport, but I'm not sure they will gain much in marketshare or even in mindshare.

    But I do see the STORM and the Passport being closely related... one was a virtual touchscreen that required pressing the screen hard enough to "click it". And the other has a virtual keyboard, that stays in the way all the time....
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    07-28-14 01:39 PM
  17. wincyUt's Avatar
    Let me google that for you

    As for the facts...I would prefer that you think of it as logical deduction more so than factual truth. We are after all talking about an unreleased device and anything could (in theory) happen. However, let's break this down a bit...

    1. Is the Passport a premium device when compared to other devices currently in the market? The answer would be "it depends". Spec wise it's not bleeding edge. It's 2013. However it is so different from traditional devices and the fact that it includes the capacitive keyboard makes it stand out. For 2013 the device would be considered premium. However, it's 2014 now and a whole new generation of devices with better displays, longer battery life, better cameras, and more bells and whistles are coming. How does the Passport compare to these? It undoubtedly feels 2013. Single LED flash, average camera, OK display. Innovative form factor and a neat keyboard for sure, but again this is right now an own niche. Nobody is comparing to Blackberry since nobody makes a similar device. Overall, the Passport is definitely a premium Blackberry device, but in a larger context it's just another phone with an unproven design by a struggling company, which leads us to (2) below...

    2. Blackberry has no brand presence. The perception is that they are a dinosaur. Their ecosystem is limited and will be even with the Amazon partnership. Amazon's ecosystem is limited. It is undoubtedly better than that of Blackberry, but still not even close to App Store or Google Play. The price has to factor in brand presence and perception.

    At the end of the day what we have is an unproven, albeit innovative, device by a struggling company with terrible brand presence and so-so fan base. Do you really think premium pricing will help put the device in more people's hands with this in mind?

    Posted via CrackBerry App
    2013 specs? Has BlackBerry officially announced the specs? Longer battery life by other brands? BlackBerry has no brand presence? I guess all the enterprises that are still embracing BlackBerry are smoking something.
    If you are still keeping up with BlackBerry it is no longer a device only company; BlackBerry has gone back to its roots. And it's my understanding that John Chen initial intentions for the Passport is not for the mass market hence Foxconn is not manufacturing this phone (at least initially). This phone is for "prosumers and enterprises", those who can afford it. The Passport need not sell in truckloads to yield John Chen & co hefty profit margin.
    On the other hand Z3 is for the mass market and has been priced accordingly. Also I believe Classic will be priced moderately too.
    Finally, the Passport is unproven because it not out yet. Whether BlackBerry is struggling or not is irrelevant to the Passport being assessed as a premium phone or not. It is the quality and the functionality of a product that determines whether a product is deemed premium or not.
    On a selfish note, I would rather the Passport be exclusive for those who are not so price sensitive and want a productivity beast. Those who are app conscious should get an Apple or Android as a supplement or move on.
    PS: I can't wait to get my Passport.
    07-28-14 02:15 PM
  18. Joseph Mendez1's Avatar
    649 or more. You'll see..

    Posted via CrackBerry App
    07-28-14 02:29 PM
  19. anon1727506's Avatar
    2013 specs? Has BlackBerry officially announced the specs? Longer battery life by other brands? BlackBerry has no brand presence? I guess all the enterprises that are still embracing BlackBerry are smoking something.
    If you are still keeping up with BlackBerry it is no longer a device only company; BlackBerry has gone back to its roots. And it's my understanding that John Chen initial intentions for the Passport is not for the mass market hence Foxconn is not manufacturing this phone (at least initially). This phone is for "prosumers and enterprises", those who can afford it. The Passport need not sell in truckloads to yield John Chen & co hefty profit margin.
    On the other hand Z3 is for the mass market and has been priced accordingly. Also I believe Classic will be priced moderately too.
    Finally, the Passport is unproven because it not out yet. Whether BlackBerry is struggling or not is irrelevant to the Passport being assessed as a premium phone or not. It is the quality and the functionality of a product that determines whether a product is deemed premium or not.
    On a selfish note, I would rather the Passport be exclusive for those who are not so price sensitive and want a productivity beast. Those who are app conscious should get an Apple or Android as a supplement or move on.
    PS: I can't wait to get my Passport.
    I agree with that......

    The reset... time will tell.
    07-28-14 02:43 PM
  20. Gnomesane's Avatar
    The OP is completely correct. Honestly, to say otherwise is to be completely ignorant of the reality. If one had to choose between an iPhone 6 and Blackberry Passport at the same price point, one should choose the iPhone 6. It's the more economical choice as the resale value stays high. In the meantime the Passport will drop and by reselling the iPhone one could easily afford the Passport.

    Obviously, I can speak for myself only for certain, but if the Passport comes in at a high price, I won't be buying it at or near launch. If it takes too long to drop I may not buy it at all. I'm not rich enough to waste my money like I did on the Z10. There are very good phones out there for much better prices and Blackberry needs to be competitive. They are not in a position to charge premium prices.

    Is the Passport a good device for me? Absolutely, I spend most of my work day consuming emails and documents on my phone. I'm definitely the target market too, but I am not a fool.

    Posted via CrackBerry App
    I hear what you're saying but I think with the higher specs and that it's being pushed as the next flagship, it'll be around the price of comparable iPhone / Samsung. It's a BlackBerry produced device (ie. not FoxConn like the Z3 and Classic) so the cost of manufacture is undoubtedly going to be higher. I'd be as happy as anyone to pay less but I'm not expecting that to happen. And who knows what their internal targets are in terms of sales on this device. It's the first of it's kind for BlackBerry, breaks the PKB paradigm, etc. Too many variables, makes my head hurt thinking about it. I have no idea if it's going to do well, but I know I'm pretty keen on one.

    On the other hand, I'm hopeful that the Classic is priced reasonably. I think it's the one they're hoping for higher volume sales in Enterprise and if it's priced reasonably should do ok. Might even get a consumer bump in sales for the nostalgia factor.
    07-28-14 02:45 PM
  21. BB fan forever's Avatar
    $600...
    07-28-14 03:08 PM
  22. dejanh's Avatar
    2013 specs? Has BlackBerry officially announced the specs? Longer battery life by other brands? BlackBerry has no brand presence? I guess all the enterprises that are still embracing BlackBerry are smoking something.
    If you are still keeping up with BlackBerry it is no longer a device only company; BlackBerry has gone back to its roots. And it's my understanding that John Chen initial intentions for the Passport is not for the mass market hence Foxconn is not manufacturing this phone (at least initially). This phone is for "prosumers and enterprises", those who can afford it. The Passport need not sell in truckloads to yield John Chen & co hefty profit margin.
    On the other hand Z3 is for the mass market and has been priced accordingly. Also I believe Classic will be priced moderately too.
    Finally, the Passport is unproven because it not out yet. Whether BlackBerry is struggling or not is irrelevant to the Passport being assessed as a premium phone or not. It is the quality and the functionality of a product that determines whether a product is deemed premium or not.
    On a selfish note, I would rather the Passport be exclusive for those who are not so price sensitive and want a productivity beast. Those who are app conscious should get an Apple or Android as a supplement or move on.
    PS: I can't wait to get my Passport.
    I'm not price sensitive. I buy all of my phones outright and generally change them every 6 months or so. Every device I've owned so far has been a top-tier device. I'm still not going to pay top-dollar for a Blackberry. I gave them a chance with the Z10. They are not getting another one from me. There will be many people with the same sentiment.

    Craigslist will have some nice discounts on this device if Blackberry does not price it right

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    07-28-14 03:45 PM
  23. Timbosaurus's Avatar
    I heard that the Passport is going to be highly radioactive, the back will be made from asbestos, and it will shout profanity at children. Whilst I don't have any actual EVIDENCE or basis for these conclusions, I think this is a massive fail and I can't believe that BlackBerry would betray their users like this, even in a manner that exists completely in my imagination. The Passport will therefore be a massive commercial failure, and we should discuss accordingly.

    Posted via CB10
    07-28-14 04:21 PM
  24. ljfong's Avatar
    For me, after watching all the videos about Passport, the device is very compelling to me and I am more than willing to pay top dollars for it (in the range of $800 - $1000) only if I can conveniently brush aside the fact that the future of the app ecosystem is very uncertain. Native is more or less dead while Amazon app store integration helps, but it is pale compared to what Google Play has to offer and that nagging issue with Google Play Services. I am enjoying Android apps on the Z10 today using Snap, but I am very well aware that Snap while it is a very very nice workaround, it has a good chance of going away in the future.
    07-28-14 04:26 PM
  25. --TommesJay--'s Avatar
    IF THEY PRICE THIS AS HIGH AS AN iPHONE 6, PEOPLE WILL PICK THE iPHONE 6

    ---vomit---

    With every new BlackBerry device upcoming I read exactly this saying and at least this time around I don't agree. Why would anyone who seriously considers a Passport with its keyboard and its weird form factor pick an iPhone 6? Again? Like every year? Which is just like any other phone on the planet an all touch slab?

    I just want my boss phone back and am happy for the Passport to make BlackBerrys finally BlackBerrys again opposed to the competition: solid, wide, bold, boss-like. And even a 4.7" iPhone will have a smaller screen.
    07-28-14 04:33 PM
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