- I'm familiar with this old story and laundry list of excuses why they couldn't, didn't or other. Don't really care much, my point was they went through the trouble of making the update so they should have updated the browser completely.
The mic I dropped was by choosing to buy a Oneplus 3T
https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/201...b6719249fd.jpg09-17-17 11:28 AMLike 0 - I'm familiar with this old story and laundry list of excuses why they couldn't, didn't or other. Don't really care much, my point was they went through the trouble of making the update so they should have updated the browser completely.
The mic I dropped was by choosing to buy a Oneplus 3T
https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/201...b6719249fd.jpg09-17-17 11:29 AMLike 0 -
The update was a SECURITY update - a minor sub-point release. There was no one left at the company who did significant BB10 browser development, and that would have been a much larger and much more expensive project. But, again, you don't want to hear excuses.09-17-17 11:41 AMLike 0 -
- That's like hiring a guy to replace the drywall on a wall of your living room and then complaining "well, you were already here doing work - why didn't you build an entire addition to my house too? And don't give me any excuses about that being a much bigger job with far more costs - I won't want to hear it."
The update was a SECURITY update - a minor sub-point release. There was no one left at the company who did significant BB10 browser development, and that would have been a much larger and much more expensive project. But, again, you don't want to hear excuses.
When JC said there will be two more updates we as consumers assume there is a certain amount of life and loyalty to be expected.
Love your analogies though. Make up some more, they are a good read.09-17-17 11:52 AMLike 0 - The BB10 developers were all laid off more than 3 years ago, aside from a literal few who work on security patches. ...
... was costing the company hundreds of millions of dollars every quarter in net losses. BB is not a charity (despite effectively subsidizing every single BB10 phone sold by over $100 each), and could not continue sustaining those losses forever. Chen cut the cord in spring of 2014 and closed down the division in order to stave off those massive losses and allow the rest of the company to survive (which it almost didn't).
Everyone posting here about BB10 should know this, and if you knew that anyway and still bought BB10 devices, well, you shouldn't be at all surprised that they were abandoned. BB had no other choice that would have allowed the company to still be in business, and Chen wasn't going to sink the entire ship just to make a few BB10 holdouts slightly happier.
Use BB10 as long as it works for you, but don't imagine you are owed any further support. BB10 died the day all those developers got pink slips back in May of 2014. Being hooked up to a life support machine that pumps blood through the dead corpse isn't "life" - but that's where BB10 is today.
Still say though, subscription paid maintenance upgrade for BB10 (nothing YUGE) is the way to go to keep it alive (and pay the salary of a small staff) or some other near arrangement through BlackBerry World ....until the hardware is actually obsolete.
Some people lease cars for 3 years, and some people buy cars for 7 or longer (but they know they have to pay for maintenance when they keep it that long).09-17-17 12:08 PMLike 0 -
The writing was on the wall, and has been there for a long time. If you chose to believe something else, that's on you, but the fact is that the BB10 project effectively ended in 2014, and BB's "commitment" to consumers effectively ended when they licensed their brand to other companies. BB no longer has any hardware (and, aside from a few Android apps, no products of any kind) to sell to consumers - and no "loyalty" to them. Consumers no longer have a direct relationship with BB at all. That's factual - even CBK and Bla1ze have made that clear.
That doesn't mean you or anyone else has to stop using their BB10 devices, but c'mon, you can't really expect or believe that you are owed anything (much less that you're going to RECEIVE anything) from a company that has completely left the business that was the basis of your "relationship" with them, right?anon(8679041) likes this.09-17-17 12:09 PMLike 1 - I prefer the analogy where the builder is contracted to build a house and he says he has ran out of funds and a couple guys quit on him cause he is not paying them.
I don't care, give me my finished house! Lol09-17-17 12:10 PMLike 0 - Can't figure out where my house is unfinished (bb10), everything is ship-shape and the yard is nicely landscaped...though not excessive as expected...oh you mean its not earth-quake proof, and it doesn't have a 4 car garage on the second floor?....yeah but I don't live in California.09-17-17 12:28 PMLike 0
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But, I mean, is that a shock? In 2013 alone, there were 2 consecutive write-downs, the first for $1B for Z10 inventory, and the second for $4.4 B for the costs of BB10 in general to the company. That's not counting the $1B write-off of Playbook inventory the year before, or the losses that continued to pile up afterwards. Overall, the BB10 project (rolling the Playbook into it) netted BB a LOSS of about $9-10 billion.
....and subsidy is a loaded term...what were expenses, marketing costs? salary&bonuses? other projects inhouse etc...)
.......also I doubt that includes the overcharging that Qualcomm was engaged in all these years to whom BlackBerry rec'd a YUGE settlement just this year. Someone suggested BB would have been profitable or nearly without the Qualcomm noose...
and the drummed up and excessively exaggerated rumours from the chattering tech classes (Apple's SJWs? maybe?) that BlackBerry's were "outdated" and "useless" was all nonsence.
Even before bb10 was dropped onto the market --- which scared off consumers....yes even at some retailers...BEst Buy etc....reading all the American review sites and listening to retail salespeople would have scared me off a Blackberry, if I didnt ignore them....
this is the age of the awareness of fake media to the masses after all...
and found the BB10 operating system superior to Apples and Google/Android's for usability (yes I used them too, but didn't enjoy the experience).
Browser problems? BB10 had the best in class browser by far at the time and maybe its just average now. Probs go away when you flush the cookies, in my experience. A browser upgrade might be nice, not sure which html standards enhancements make this necessary though.
Still say though, subscription paid maintenance upgrade for BB10 (nothing YUGE) is the way to go to keep it alive (and pay the salary of a small staff) or some other near arrangement through BlackBerry World ....until the hardware is actually obsolete.
In 2014, *after* several rounds of cuts, BB still had 1700 BB10 developers to let go. It wasn't 4 dudes in a basement who made BB10, it was a huge team (over 4,000 developers alone, originally). That's half a billion a year in total costs at least (for the 1700). You'd need at least 100 just for the browser alone. No way you could find enough people willing to pay that you could come close to covering those costs.StephanieMaks and CrackNutRun like this.09-17-17 12:35 PMLike 2 - In that analogy, you'd have a contract that spelled out the contractor's obligations. Do you have such a contract from BB stating that you are owed an update? I kind of doubt it. That makes the situation quite different.09-17-17 12:39 PMLike 0
- Can't figure out where my house is unfinished (bb10), everything is ship-shape and the yard is nicely landscaped...though not excessive as expected...oh you mean its not earth-quake proof, and it doesn't have a 4 car garage on the second floor?....yeah but I don't live in California.
Live there and be happy - just don't expect to be supported as if you were in the mainstream when you aren't.09-17-17 12:42 PMLike 0 -
anon(8679041) likes this.09-17-17 01:21 PMLike 1 - The only thing Chen promised was another KEYBOARD phone with android and that's what we got the KEYone after that it's BlackBerry Mobiles problem to deliver phones09-17-17 02:19 PMLike 0
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Out of the two apples ios is much more basic in feel but works very well. Android on the other hand can be very messy, and sometime too complicated.09-17-17 03:36 PMLike 0 -
- Exactly, neither is right, and neither is wrong. It is entirely down to user preference.Troy Tiscareno likes this.09-17-17 03:53 PMLike 1
- Can't figure out where my house is unfinished (bb10), everything is ship-shape and the yard is nicely landscaped...though not excessive as expected...oh you mean its not earth-quake proof, and it doesn't have a 4 car garage on the second floor?....yeah but I don't live in California.
You keep going to Cobalt's Hardware down the street because he sells some patch-up pieces. He still has some cans of that paint, and he has some aluminum to copper wire nuts, and a few cast to PVC fittings... but oh my if he ever goes out of business!
But all your neighbors they just go to Lowe's because the shelves are always stocked.09-17-17 05:41 PMLike 4 - But when you need paint they don't make the color. And when you need shingles they don't make that kind anymore. And oh man! Aluminum wiring? Cast iron pipes? It's like no manufacturers make exact replacements for wear and tear items in your house anymore.
You keep going to Cobalt's Hardware down the street because he sells some patch-up pieces. He still has some cans of that paint, and he has some aluminum to copper wire nuts, and a few cast to PVC fittings... but oh my if he ever goes out of business!
But all your neighbors they just go to Lowe's because the shelves are always stocked.
Some people will make their nonstandard house work. And maybe even make their own 150V@75Hz appliances.
Most people just want to go to Lowes.09-17-17 06:22 PMLike 0 - But when you need paint they don't make the color. And when you need shingles they don't make that kind anymore. And oh man! Aluminum wiring? Cast iron pipes? It's like no manufacturers make exact replacements for wear and tear items in your house anymore.
You keep going to Cobalt's Hardware down the street because he sells some patch-up pieces. He still has some cans of that paint, and he has some aluminum to copper wire nuts, and a few cast to PVC fittings... but oh my if he ever goes out of business!
But all your neighbors they just go to Lowe's because the shelves are always stocked.
(ps ...remind the folks where Cobalt's and the other independent hardware maintenance and renos are)09-17-17 11:02 PMLike 0 - Nope my home is quite structurally sound, secure and well engineered (just doesn't need to deal with being built on a massive fault line (monopoly line maybe - more Google than Apple, but maybe not) nothing wrong with a Grass Hut in the African Savannah though - fits the requirements of that environment reasonably well (economically). Sometimes the "mainstream" is so polluted though, that the bloated fish in those waters haven't a clue. More than one river on the planet, and they're pretty near the size of that mythical mainstream. ;-) (Support....Changing the light-bulbs when they flicker, doesn't mean rebuilding all the skyscrapers down the main street though)09-17-17 11:40 PMLike 0
- Clarification: that bb10 was outdated...and useless... was all nonsense. The devices prior to bb10 while not terrible in themselves, were starting to lag some of the variety that Apple/Android had started to offer, I would say is true, but not to a horribly gaping extent.09-18-17 12:01 AMLike 0
- However did we get from building the house (bb10) , to maintenance and renovation? The Apple and Google home builders say...you want to renovate? fa-get-about-it, we will tear it down in two,three years tops and we will build you a new one.....whether you like it or not...poor Lowes, there's no place for it in the swipe up for the Home screen business.
(ps ...remind the folks where Cobalt's and the other independent hardware maintenance and renos are)09-18-17 05:23 AMLike 0
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