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  1. jcarlos100's Avatar
    I thought this was the whine forum.

    Posted via CB10
    I believe u are in the right place lol

    Posted via CB10
    07-07-14 06:14 PM
  2. slgta's Avatar

    Keep the discussion going....trust me, BlackBerry actually listens to its people.

    Later!
    I hope they do. How hard is it to just print the first and second level symbols on the physical key?! Nothing needs to be change on the SW side...just print them on the physical keys.....maybe we will have to go back to the old days of putting stickers on the keyboard?! that will be so innovative of Blackberry!!!! Getting user to buy and install stickers on keyboard. LOL


    Posted via CB10
    07-07-14 06:32 PM
  3. lift's Avatar
    I hope BlackBerry does read these forums and realizes how polarized people are about this device. And this is a BlackBerry fan site!! If the people on this site are so divided, then just imagine how the general public (who for the most part doesn't like BlackBerry) is going to react to this device.
    I hope BlackBerry comes out with a state of the art awesome looking all touch device soon. In the mean time, The Z3 is pretty nice and if it gets LTE I will be getting one just for the heck of it.
    07-07-14 08:59 PM
  4. Raestloz's Avatar
    I hope they do. How hard is it to just print the first and second level symbols on the physical key?! Nothing needs to be change on the SW side...just print them on the physical keys.....maybe we will have to go back to the old days of putting stickers on the keyboard?! that will be so innovative of Blackberry!!!! Getting user to buy and install stickers on keyboard. LOL


    Posted via CB10
    Maybe because they don't want to have SPA-001 with $ for 'muricans and SPA-002 with for the brits

    Z10 STL100-1/10.2.1.3175

    EDIT: you know what? Thanks CB10, now my joke falls flat. Maybe someone can try to inject code to CB10 app via using the poundsterling symbol?
    07-07-14 09:47 PM
  5. DS1331's Avatar
    I have 2 shares of BlackBerry stock. I am a shareholder.

    Q10 Posted via CB10
    07-07-14 10:45 PM
  6. DS1331's Avatar
    How would you know you have to hit the on screen shift key to use caps? I'm sure it's like any other BlackBerry keyboard and you hold down the key to make it capital. I couldn't see them changing that...

    Q10 Posted via CB10
    07-07-14 10:49 PM
  7. CeCoQ's Avatar
    How would you know you have to hit the on screen shift key to use caps? I'm sure it's like any other BlackBerry keyboard and you hold down the key to make it capital. I couldn't see them changing that...

    Q10 Posted via CB10
    Yes with holding the key, you get a capital letter for sure. But how do you want to be entering special characters on the Passport ?

    Posted via CB10
    07-08-14 04:41 AM
  8. II ARROWS's Avatar
    How would you know you have to hit the on screen shift key to use caps? I'm sure it's like any other BlackBerry keyboard and you hold down the key to make it capital. I couldn't see them changing that...
    That is still slow...
    and interrupts flow.
    07-08-14 04:47 AM
  9. CeCoQ's Avatar
    That is still slow...
    and interrupts flow.
    That's right. We need just two more buttons on that keyboard.

    Posted via CB10
    07-08-14 07:10 AM
  10. DS1331's Avatar
    That's right. We need just two more buttons on that keyboard.

    Posted via CB10
    I do agree that they should of made it like all the other BlackBerry keyboards but no one really knows what it's going to be like yet

    Q10 Posted via CB10
    07-08-14 11:29 AM
  11. Thunderbuck's Avatar
    I do agree that they should of made it like all the other BlackBerry keyboards but no one really knows what it's going to be like yet

    Q10 Posted via CB10
    Why should they make it "like all other BlackBerry keyboards" if they're essentially inventing a new input method?

    I have no doubt that the development of this keyboard involved dozens--maybe hundreds--of engineers and human factors specialists, and I'm sure they had all the same discussions we're having here.

    I'm coming to view the Passport as having not so much a "physical keyboard" as a "virtual keyboard augmented by buttons".

    Posted from CB10 running on my awesome Z30 2B6927F7
    07-08-14 11:39 AM
  12. Thunderbuck's Avatar
    I hope BlackBerry does read these forums and realizes how polarized people are about this device. And this is a BlackBerry fan site!! If the people on this site are so divided, then just imagine how the general public (who for the most part doesn't like BlackBerry) is going to react to this device.
    I hope BlackBerry comes out with a state of the art awesome looking all touch device soon. In the mean time, The Z3 is pretty nice and if it gets LTE I will be getting one just for the heck of it.
    The general reaction from the "non-BlackBerry" press and public seems to be more curiosity than anything else.

    The only open hostility I'm seeing displayed is here on CB.

    Posted from CB10 running on my awesome Z30 2B6927F7
    07-08-14 11:41 AM
  13. dejanh's Avatar
    The general reaction from the "non-BlackBerry" press and public seems to be more curiosity than anything else.

    The only open hostility I'm seeing displayed is here on CB.

    Posted from CB10 running on my awesome Z30 2B6927F7
    It's "where is my trackpad" all over again. No matter, these diehards can just upgrade to the Classic in November.

    Posted via CrackBerry App
    07-08-14 01:26 PM
  14. Tim Heard's Avatar
    It's a little more than that. For a variety of reasons, people want the large screen, but don't want to be required to type on the glass screen.

    It's "where is my trackpad" all over again. No matter, these diehards can just upgrade to the Classic in November.

    Posted via CrackBerry App
    07-08-14 01:39 PM
  15. dejanh's Avatar
    It's a little more than that. For a variety of reasons, people want the large screen, but don't want to be required to type on the glass screen.
    I want my Android to be gesture based and not require stupid back and home buttons. What's your point? If you don't like the design and/or you are not willing to give it a chance then just pick something else. Once we have the device in hand and have had the opportunity to evaluate it properly we can comment on how "successful" or "not successful" the design is really.

    Let the speculation and baseless complaining commence!
    07-08-14 01:50 PM
  16. II ARROWS's Avatar
    It's "where is my trackpad" all over again. No matter, these diehards can just upgrade to the Classic in November.
    No, it's not because my trackpad is the keyboard.
    It's my keyboard that is gone.


    And by the way, the trackpad is a huge step back for the Q10, I drastically reduced the time I type on the phone.
    I used to write wall of text, replying on email more from the phone even if I had the PC with Outlook open in front of me.

    As you can live without it, you cannot deny the fact that is a big loss and a step down in productivity. They could have resolved all of this with the Passport, reintroducing the trackpad without the toolbelt, but they removed the keyboard.
    One small step forward, one giant leap backward.
    07-08-14 03:28 PM
  17. II ARROWS's Avatar
    I have no doubt that the development of this keyboard involved dozens--maybe hundreds--of engineers and human factors specialists, and I'm sure they had all the same discussions we're having here.
    It's more probable that this design involved 1, maybe 4, designers.
    And the engineers only had to obey to the choice made by people whose job is to make thing look pretty.
    07-08-14 03:41 PM
  18. slgta's Avatar
    It's more probable that this design involved 1, maybe 4, designers.
    And the engineers only had to obey to the choice made by people whose job is to make thing look pretty.
    Especially after the company cut so deep into their workforce.....probably only a few capable remains...so I am not so certain of the "well thought out" point. I have seen that in other company....when all capable people left / fired.....decision often only base on what one guy saids.



    Posted via CB10
    07-08-14 04:51 PM
  19. Thunderbuck's Avatar
    It's more probable that this design involved 1, maybe 4, designers.
    And the engineers only had to obey to the choice made by people whose job is to make thing look pretty.
    Are you just saying that because it reinforces your contention that the Passport's keyboard is a bad design? Are you familiar with the term "circular argument"?

    BlackBerry is the "keyboard company". They'd lay off the cleaning staff before they got rid of their human factors engineers.

    Posted from CB10 running on my awesome Z30 2B6927F7
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    07-08-14 07:30 PM
  20. BlackberryFan777's Avatar
    No, the Passport is not just "a huge Q10". The input system is a completely new hybrid physical/touch keyboard system that--if it works--could be revolutionary.

    And it's not just the larger screen, either. The Passport's screen is large enough and dense enough to display content in 16:9 vertically or horizontally. The vertical display will eliminate the scaling problems from the Q10 (a fair number of Android apps won't work on the Q10/Q5 just because UI elements wind up outside the window and can't be reached). This is also a fairly distinctive feature; I know I'VE never seen a phone that does this.

    And, finally, the Passport looks like no other phone out there right now. The style will certainly attract attention far more than the 9900-like Q10.
    Good points. I'd still like physical ALT and SYM keys for speed and the convenience of not having to reach up to the screen to punctuate or type numbers, but I think everything you said was true and important.

    Posted via CB10
    07-08-14 09:09 PM
  21. jcarlos100's Avatar
    Love the current keyboard

    Posted via CB10
    07-08-14 09:12 PM
  22. Thunderbuck's Avatar
    Good points. I'd still like physical ALT and SYM keys for speed and the convenience of not having to reach up to the screen to punctuate or type numbers, but I think everything you said was true and important.

    Posted via CB10
    You don't need to "reach up". Each num/sym key maps to a physical key.

    Posted from CB10 running on my awesome Z30 2B6927F7
    07-08-14 09:19 PM
  23. CeCoQ's Avatar
    You don't need to "reach up". Each num/sym key maps to a physical key.

    Posted from CB10 running on my awesome Z30 2B6927F7
    All is needed is to print more characters on keys and then no more virtual keyboard since we don't need to type on the screen.

    Posted via CB10
    lift and Nibs like this.
    07-08-14 09:38 PM
  24. ZeroBarrier's Avatar
    You don't need to "reach up". Each num/sym key maps to a physical key.

    Posted from CB10 running on my awesome Z30 2B6927F7
    The one line contextual on-screen keyboard is always displayed, the numbers and symbols keyboard requires you to either perform a gesture on the touch sensitive hardware keyboard which interrupts typing flow, or to reach up to the screen to hit an on-screen alt button which also interrupts typing flow. Regardless of having to reach up to the screen to type numbers and symbols or not, they should have included numbers and basic/commonly used symbols on the hardware keyboard from the get go, like every single QWERTY keyboard before it. Gestures and on-screen keyboards are not an apt replacement for a fully featured and fully functional QWERTY hardware keyboard; and any real QWERTY keyboard user can tell you this without having to use the crippled hardware keyboard on the Passport. It's just plain common sense.

    Posted via CB10
    07-08-14 09:50 PM
  25. lift's Avatar
    Why should they make it "like all other BlackBerry keyboards" if they're essentially inventing a new input method?

    I have no doubt that the development of this keyboard involved dozens--maybe hundreds--of engineers and human factors specialists, and I'm sure they had all the same discussions we're having here.

    I'm coming to view the Passport as having not so much a "physical keyboard" as a "virtual keyboard augmented by buttons".

    Posted from CB10 running on my awesome Z30 2B6927F7
    I can't even begin to reply to this post you made. I am too busy laughing my @ss off. "hundreds", LOL. The more of your posts I read the more I am beginning to think you really don't know what you are talking about.
    07-08-14 09:53 PM
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