BlackBerry Passport receives positive & lukewarm reviews
- I hate to keep beating this dead horse but The Verge score just remind me too much of my art teacher when a perspective drawing I did was better than the teacher's pet.
Shading: 9 out of 10 because nobody gets a ten
Subject matter : 7 out of 10
Detail: 8 out of 10
Use of multiple points: 8 out of 10
Average score: 8
Wait, that is better than Brady so I'll give you a 6.9.Dave Bourque and spikesolie like this.09-25-14 07:52 PMLike 2 - ThunderbuckRetired ModeratorIt's a controversial device. It's got a weird shape, it's too wide and it's got a... KEYBOARD?!?
Not every reviewer will "get" the Passport. Some won't even want to try. But there were good reviews. I loved the Engadget review that opened with the line "For the first time in ages, I'm intrigued by a BlackBerry device."
And David Pogue (who gave the Z10 a glowing review in the New York Times last year) did a great writeup for Yahoo.
I think the reviews on the Passport are polarized, much the way this community is. I think that controversy will help sell the phone.primusd likes this.09-25-14 09:23 PMLike 1 - Went into the Telus store today and tested one out and wanted to see the sizing of the phone as pictures off the net can make it look bigger than normal.
Awesome findings though. Size is comparable to the Note or Samsung Galaxy. Keyboard works great, screen resolution is amazing!
I just have found that the press / media influences what the masses are lead to think. Blackberry, Iphone, Android, etc...these are all great phones...they don't build these phones to do a poor job. Regardless, I highly recommend anyone to go and see the phone for themselves. Very impressed.
Also, ask if they have the demo device to tinker around with. Fits perfectly in a regular sized pocket in a shirt and regular jeans. Great product!!!09-25-14 09:44 PMLike 0 - I'm not so sure tbh. What would benefit them most? Sure, the ability to read a mail without scanning backwards and forwards is practical, but far more practical is the ability to pick the damn thing up and just start using it. Some people don't want a phone with a high learning curve, and comments on people's intelligence won't change the fact that if it is too complicated, they will chose a simpler design and go elsewhere. Lets be honest, no one could say bb10 is straight forward, and this new keyboard only adds to the complications in use from what I can see of it.
I think people will want a phone they can pick up and use. I think they will probably want to watch media on it without unsightly black bars, and use apps from google's ecosystem. I don't think they want a phone that can't be used one handed, and I'm pretty sure no one wants a phone that is far too easy to drop. That's quite an indoctrination programme required there I'd say.
Lets just say i'm looking with hope and anticipation at the Classic release.
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- I didn't think any of the reviews were that bad.....
.....but I'm definitely building a gender-biased picture about future Passport users.
When pointing out to female friends (doctors and city types) how clever the sizing of the Passport is (eg every man's suit has a Passport sized pocket) - their response was..... our suits don't have pockets! And as all the female friends have much smaller hands than me, they were all very sceptical about whether they could easily hold the phone in one hand to make/receive calls (fair point).
I was gobsmacked when I realised that the Verge review was probably written by a man (Dan - I suppose it could be short for Danielle....)09-25-14 10:28 PMLike 0 -
So, yes, to BB10, THANKS for preparing me for iOS.09-25-14 11:50 PMLike 0 - I thought the same thing until I noticed that not a single one of the Amazon reviews came from a "Verified Purchase" (where Amazon actually confirms that the reviewer bought their phone from Amazon). Every single reviewer seems to have ordered their Passport and received it in less than 24 hours unless of course these individuals all purchased their Passports in-store and decided to write a review on Amazon.09-26-14 12:11 AMLike 0
- I talked to a guy at a restaurant earlier this week. He had a Z10 covered with a case (and the "BlackBerry" brand covered at the base) on the counter while paying. I commented on the phone and he immediately grabbed it and said, "it's not a BlackBerry!" I responded that if it was not a BlackBerry, then why did it have BlackBerry World installed and showed him my Z30. He was embarrassed. He replied that it was for work only and his personal phone is an iPhone 6. Go figure!
Well I'm one of those people who want a phone to do work. I have a work-issued 4s which is lame for doing anything productive. I don't care if the screen was bigger lengthwise and turning it on it's side for width you lose space to the virtual keyboard. I'm so glad this phone has come along because:
- I'm not interested in playing any of the 10,000 games in the google store.
- I don't care if wide-screen mode for video gives me a black band at the top and bottom, I was around when letterbox on your 4:3 tv was all you had.
- I don't need to be able to clip my phone to a virtual head gear set and see a virtual world.
- I don't care if other people laugh at my non-hip phone with old-style keyboard. I'm not 12 years old in junior high.
What I do want is something I can use to do what I mostly do - read/respond email, read/edit docs, browse the web, make phone calls - and doesn't bend in my pocket. And being able to use a terminal app to vpn to my Oracle servers would be nice, but since this would be my personal phone and not my work phone I probably won't get access to do that.
I think the Seeking Alpha article by Corey Sommers that was mentioned in a previous post had it right - even the bad reviews emphasize the strengths of the passport: long battery life, large screen size, excellent keyboard, durable/high build quality. Yeah, that's what I freakin' want, man, and if every review is telling me that's what it has - even the negative ones - I'm going to buy it. Thank you, Blackberry, for giving me something I can do real work on rather than a what essentially amounts to a high-tech gaming toy.Last edited by coyotejim; 09-26-14 at 12:37 AM.
VeryBumpy likes this.09-26-14 12:26 AMLike 1 - I've never used a blackberry so don't know what the UI is like. Can someone tell me more about this part of theverge's review?
"Recent apps show up in a grid on the homescreen, but they aren�t permanent and it�s never clear where the last app I used will land."
Does this mean app icons always shift around because that can get annoying. Does this also mean I can't position them wherever I want like on an iphone?09-26-14 01:01 AMLike 0 - I hate to keep beating this dead horse but The Verge score just remind me too much of my art teacher when a perspective drawing I did was better than the teacher's pet.
Shading: 9 out of 10 because nobody gets a ten
Subject matter : 7 out of 10
Detail: 8 out of 10
Use of multiple points: 8 out of 10
Average score: 8
Wait, that is better than Brady so I'll give you a 6.9.
Z10STL100-3/10.2.1.3247Toodeurep likes this.09-26-14 01:39 AMLike 1 - What do you expect? People who are interested in the Passport will probably like it. None of the reviewers criticised the hardware flaws or software bugs. It’s pretty much a decent product at this point, if you are not put off by its unusual size and the limitations of BlackBerry’s ecosystem.
I think BlackBerry 10 is actually a very straightforward OS. The structure is almost as simple as iOS’s. There is a homescreen with three sections: the Hub on the left, the multitasking view in the middle and the springboard on the right. It’s a simple swipe to the left or right and there is a visual indicator at the bottom. You’ll know what’s going on and what’s there. On iOS, the Notification Centre is hidden (a swipe from the top, not intuitive) and the multitasking view is a double-click on the home button (also not intuitive). Yet still, people claim that it’s the more intuitive OS. Same when you’re within an app, the overall structure is still the same: tabs at the bottom, actions at the top. Yet many developers have reached a bottleneck and tried to get around that by putting in their own sidebars and navigation panes (Facebook is particularly bad). But it’s not a core part of the OS. Consequently, the OS has lost much of it’s simple flow, because Apple’s default models don’t cover the evolved needs of developers. BlackBerry on the other hand has recognised this development and built a side bar, an app menu (swipe from the top) as well as an overflow menu on the right for actions that don’t fit. This is applied consistently across native apps. As a result, the structure is easier to follow. I think iOS has simply been so engrained in people’s minds that anything else is just ‘too difficult’. It’s like the start button, people won’t know what to do once it’s not there.09-26-14 04:12 AMLike 0 -
Do you even read bro?09-26-14 06:20 AMLike 0 - Yeap. That pretty much sums it all up. The brand is definitely jaded by the media and other platforms users (mainly iOS).
I talked to a guy at a restaurant earlier this week. He had a Z10 covered with a case (and the "BlackBerry" brand covered at the base) on the counter while paying. I commented on the phone and he immediately grabbed it and said, "it's not a BlackBerry!" I responded that if it was not a BlackBerry, then why did it have BlackBerry World installed and showed him my Z30. He was embarrassed. He replied that it was for work only and his personal phone is an iPhone 6. Go figure!
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Posted via CB1009-26-14 10:34 AMLike 0 - Compared to what I was expecting... i.e. the usual "here's blackberry taking another step closer to its grave" bias, I was pretty impressed with the overall tone of the reviews I've seen.
Reviews like the Verge and WSJ + the widespread unavailability of the device in the US for people to try it themselves will continue to hurt BB in the US market. That said, even the moderately lukewarm Engadget review could play well... certainly no one could accuse them of any +'ve BB bias (on the contrary).
Ultimately, I think word of mouth is going to make or break this device outside the enterprise... people seeing it on the street and saying, 'what the hell is that?'. In fact I think this where BB is making a crucial mistake -- they should be doing everything they can to get early adopters out there with devices on the street - including discounts through stores and/or from them directly (e.g. maybe tied to an active BBID?).09-26-14 11:27 AMLike 0 - Compared to what I was expecting... i.e. the usual "here's blackberry taking another step closer to its grave" bias, I was pretty impressed with the overall tone of the reviews I've seen.
Reviews like the Verge and WSJ + the widespread unavailability of the device in the US for people to try it themselves will continue to hurt BB in the US market. That said, even the moderately lukewarm Engadget review could play well... certainly no one could accuse them of any +'ve BB bias (on the contrary).
Ultimately, I think word of mouth is going to make or break this device outside the enterprise... people seeing it on the street and saying, 'what the hell is that?'. In fact I think this where BB is making a crucial mistake -- they should be doing everything they can to get early adopters out there with devices on the street - including discounts through stores and/or from them directly (e.g. maybe tied to an active BBID?).
He's trimmed the fat with the company and has made the books look profitable. This is probably the first time in years that Blackberry is looking financially stable, has a leg to stand on, and with the anticipated success will slowly but surely instill confidence back in the market / media for the company to rebuild itself. I thought the previous CEO (Heins, I believe) played his part, but I think the layout going forward should be ideal. Blackberry's biggest field of users is in the US / CND government / healthcare fields. If they can maintain their contracts there and also provide personal phones to the masses, that's their plan of action. Once they see some more profit I'm hoping they will then do what most other phone companies do - provide customization, etc09-26-14 11:39 AMLike 0 - The screen is gorgeous and this beast will turn head. My iOS and Android coworkers were very impressed with how beautiful the presentation displayed on my Passport.
They are also impressed with scrolling up and down by swiping on the keyboard.
Using Z10, wanting Z30, eyeing Windermere09-26-14 11:51 AMLike 0 -
- ThunderbuckRetired Moderator"More times than not, the Verge score is based on the average of the subscores below. However, since this is a non-weighted average, we reserve the right to tweak the overall score if we feel it doesn't reflect our overall assessment and price of the product. Read more about how we test and rate products.''
Do you even read bro?09-26-14 01:04 PMLike 3 - Because, as they have explained several times. While all those scores may be high on their own, the whole package may not be appealing. For example, a phone with high performance and high battery life which heats up if you jse it for a minute might score a 10 in those two areas and a 2 overall.09-26-14 04:05 PMLike 0
- the guys from ZDNET.fr are obviously in love with the Passport, i think we have here the more enthusiastic review of the Passport and they will probably stay unbeaten for a very loooonnng time as they are so euphoric (sorry it is in french but it's so good to see enthusiasm about Blackberry)
BlackBerry Passport : le debrief en vid�o
I love what they say to conclude: "Blackberry isn't sheltered from a great general use product success !!!"09-26-14 04:41 PMLike 0
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