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  1. Marijo_Varna's Avatar
    Hey there guys,
    I recently purchased a BlackBerry Passport. It is a truly wonderful handset in most respects. However, there is one issue which is bothering me: when I insert the SIM card, after a while I experience physical symptoms not unlike that on a flight (pressure to the head etc.). It is quite unpleasant, and after a day or so I have to eject the SIM card.

    I have taken the following steps to minimise the problem:

    1. Turned off NFC;
    2. Turned off 4G.

    Step 1 helps.

    A. But is there anything else that I can do (e.g. with the settings, antenna or purchasing a case) to eliminate this feeling?
    B. Would I be better off with a different Passport model which has different frequencies?
    C. Is there anyone at BlackBerry I can write to about this issue? I experienced a similar problem with other BlackBerry handsets (9320, Classic), only it was much, much worse. I do not wish to abandon the platform.

    Any guidance on this matter would be sincerely appreciated. Many thanks!
    06-16-15 06:11 AM
  2. donnation's Avatar
    I would visit the doctor and find out if there is anything going on first.
    06-16-15 06:20 AM
  3. HacklBerry's Avatar
    Tinfoil comes to mind, but look what it did to Chuck.

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    06-16-15 06:28 AM
  4. Zedd88's Avatar
    I would have to agree with donation. Visit your doctor first and hear what he has to say.

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    06-16-15 06:39 AM
  5. shawnreum's Avatar
    Ask the user on here by the name....
    thurask

    He has an answer to everything.

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    06-16-15 06:41 AM
  6. Marijo_Varna's Avatar
    I would visit the doctor and find out if there is anything going on first.
    I have seen more than one medical professional about this. Apparently it is quite common for users to experience these sensations (and much worse, including migraines) during calls. I have no specific problem during calls - it's when the SIM card is inserted that the issues begin.
    06-16-15 06:49 AM
  7. passport1's Avatar
    Are these symptoms only while using the Passport or any phone/smartphone?




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    06-16-15 06:50 AM
  8. Marijo_Varna's Avatar
    I have experienced these symptoms with the following handsets:

    Nokia E7, BlackBerry 9320, Classic and Passport. However, the Passport is the mildest. With the Classic, as soon as I inserted the SIM and disabled flight mode it felt as if my head had suddenly inflated: really weird and not a good sensation at all.

    I did not have these symptoms with the following: Nokia 1600, Nokia E71 and Apple iPhone 4S. However, with the E71 calls caused headaches.
    06-16-15 06:58 AM
  9. donnation's Avatar
    Gosh that's horrible. Feel terrible for you, that has to be rough.
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    06-16-15 07:16 AM
  10. mad_mdx's Avatar
    Pretty sure you should see a doctor.
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    06-16-15 07:19 AM
  11. passport1's Avatar
    May be you are sensitive to the radio waves. When a Sim card is inserted, the phone has to detect the cell towers. And may be that is causing the issue?

    I am surprised you are OK while talking on the phone. The radiation is highest when we talk than while listening.

    I have wireless data, blend, device connections, media sharing, and blackberry protect turned off most of the times. I turn on blackberry protect only when I am traveling and stuff.

    I did these changes, after I monitored the network traffic on my phone using Microsoft network monitor. I wish there was a way to individually choose which apps or functions could be allowed data access.

    Samsung phones are known to use one of best antenna technology that has lowest SAR. Unfortunately they are all android.






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    06-16-15 07:20 AM
  12. passport1's Avatar
    How about doing a blind test of inserting the Sim, just to rule out that it is not placebo.

    I have also read that there are people who could even sense SMS through blind test.


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    06-16-15 07:27 AM
  13. joshua_sx1's Avatar
    Try to use Bluetooth... and see if you are having the same symptoms...

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    06-16-15 07:44 AM
  14. Marijo_Varna's Avatar
    Gosh that's horrible. Feel terrible for you, that has to be rough.
    Many thanks! It's definitely not ideal but on the other hand it made me aware of these kinds of issues, which is a blessing.
    06-16-15 07:59 AM
  15. Marijo_Varna's Avatar
    May be you are sensitive to the radio waves. When a Sim card is inserted, the phone has to detect the cell towers. And may be that is causing the issue?

    I am surprised you are OK while talking on the phone. The radiation is highest when we talk than while listening.

    I have wireless data, blend, device connections, media sharing, and blackberry protect turned off most of the times. I turn on blackberry protect only when I am traveling and stuff.

    I did these changes, after I monitored the network traffic on my phone using Microsoft network monitor. I wish there was a way to individually choose which apps or functions could be allowed data access.

    Samsung phones are known to use one of best antenna technology that has lowest SAR. Unfortunately they are all android.






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    Yes, exactly. As soon as the SIM is inserted, it initiates contact with the nearest mobile masts/cellphone towers - and my problems begin!

    Indeed - I used to have problems (get headaches) during long calls. These have gone.

    I will try turning off wireless data and device connections: these are great suggestions.

    You're right: Samsung is known to have great SAR ratings and antenna technology. I'm strongly considering a Note 3 if I can't resolve this issue.

    I am also going to try using a CellSafe RadiChip (Cellsafe | Cellsafe) and Green8 Smartphone Shield (http://www.bauer-biotec.com/). These didn't do a whole lot on the BlackBerry Classic, but it might be a different story on the Passport...
    06-16-15 08:18 AM
  16. Marijo_Varna's Avatar
    How about doing a blind test of inserting the Sim, just to rule out that it is not placebo.

    I have also read that there are people who could even sense SMS through blind test.


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    Great idea, though sadly this is definitely not a case of placebo. I wish it was!
    06-16-15 08:20 AM
  17. Marijo_Varna's Avatar
    Try to use Bluetooth... and see if you are having the same symptoms...

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    I'll try this. Many thanks!
    06-16-15 08:21 AM
  18. siung6's Avatar
    http://www.popsci.com/science/articl...2/disconnected

    I did not know that this actually exist. Sorry to hear OP

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    06-16-15 08:21 AM
  19. sai's Avatar
    Hey there guys,
    I recently purchased a BlackBerry Passport. It is a truly wonderful handset in most respects. However, there is one issue which is bothering me: when I insert the SIM card, after a while I experience physical symptoms not unlike that on a flight (pressure to the head etc.). It is quite unpleasant, and after a day or so I have to eject the SIM card.

    I have taken the following steps to minimise the problem:

    1. Turned off NFC;
    2. Turned off 4G.

    Step 1 helps.

    A. But is there anything else that I can do (e.g. with the settings, antenna or purchasing a case) to eliminate this feeling?
    B. Would I be better off with a different Passport model which has different frequencies?
    C. Is there anyone at BlackBerry I can write to about this issue? I experienced a similar problem with other BlackBerry handsets (9320, Classic), only it was much, much worse. I do not wish to abandon the platform.

    Any guidance on this matter would be sincerely appreciated. Many thanks!
    The unlocked Passport has a low SAR value unlike the E71 and the others you have listed.

    Try getting a new SIM from your cellular service provider. I had this problem with the Passport, Classic, iPhone 6 and 6 Plus. I used to feel nauseous even if I just held the phones in my hand. But somehow, getting a new SIM from AT&T solved the issue for me. Not sure if this will help, but, It's definitely worth a try.

    Also, look up Electromagnetic Hypersensitivity on Google or wikipedia.

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    06-16-15 08:37 AM
  20. Marijo_Varna's Avatar
    The Man Who Was Allergic to Radio Waves | Popular Science

    I did not know that this actually exist. Sorry to hear OP

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    Wow, that is a sad story! Yes, this is a live issue.

    The strange this is that I have no problem at all in public places (trains etc.) where there are large numbers of telecoms devices - no problem at all.
    06-16-15 08:56 AM
  21. Marijo_Varna's Avatar
    The unlocked Passport has a low SAR value unlike the E71 and the others you have listed.

    Try getting a new SIM from your cellular service provider. I had this problem with the Passport, Classic, iPhone 6 and 6 Plus. I used to feel nauseous even if I just held the phones in my hand. But somehow, getting a new SIM from AT&T solved the issue for me. Not sure if this will help, but, It's definitely worth a try.

    Also, look up Electromagnetic Hypersensitivity on Google or wikipedia.

    Posted via CB10
    Many thanks for your kind post! The nano SIM card from my provider (3 in the UK) is brand new, but you've set me thinking: could it be the SIM card itself and not the phone that is the issue? Perhaps I could try a PAYG SIM from other networks and see how that goes...
    06-16-15 09:00 AM
  22. anon9347040's Avatar
    Hey there guys,
    I recently purchased a BlackBerry Passport. It is a truly wonderful handset in most respects. However, there is one issue which is bothering me: when I insert the SIM card, after a while I experience physical symptoms not unlike that on a flight (pressure to the head etc.). It is quite unpleasant, and after a day or so I have to eject the SIM card.

    I have taken the following steps to minimise the problem:

    1. Turned off NFC;
    2. Turned off 4G.

    Step 1 helps.

    A. But is there anything else that I can do (e.g. with the settings, antenna or purchasing a case) to eliminate this feeling?
    B. Would I be better off with a different Passport model which has different frequencies?
    C. Is there anyone at BlackBerry I can write to about this issue? I experienced a similar problem with other BlackBerry handsets (9320, Classic), only it was much, much worse. I do not wish to abandon the platform.

    Any guidance on this matter would be sincerely appreciated. Many thanks!
    You sound like me. For some reason I have a high sensivity to Bluetooth. No actual cause or diagnosis was ever found, physical came back normal. It was ruled a sensitivity to BT frequencies.

    I get headaches if I try to use an earpiece or full sized BT headphones. I actually make it a habit not to hold cell phones too close to my head unless absolutely necessary. I use the speakerphone with the majority of my calls and the lion's share of communications done thru my Passport involves typed correspondence.

    I don't think that it's just limited to Blackberry though. The frequencies and bands are standardized. Other makes of phone should be giving you the same discomfort. And getting yourself checked out may be good advice as well.

    -- Passport, Virgin Mobile (Toronto)
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    06-16-15 10:14 AM
  23. blackmoe's Avatar
    Does lowering your connection from LTE to 3G help?
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    06-16-15 10:15 AM
  24. Marijo_Varna's Avatar
    You sound like me. For some reason I have a high sensivity to Bluetooth. No actual cause or diagnosis was ever found, physical came back normal. It was ruled a sensitivity to BT frequencies.

    I get headaches if I try to use an earpiece or full sized BT headphones. I actually make it a habit not to hold cell phones too close to my head unless absolutely necessary. I use the speakerphone with the majority of my calls and the lion's share of communications done thru my Passport involves typed correspondence.

    I don't think that it's just limited to Blackberry though. The frequencies and bands are standardized. Other makes of phone should be giving you the same discomfort. And getting yourself checked out may be good advice as well.

    -- Passport, Virgin Mobile (Toronto)
    Interesting stuff. Indeed - if the frequencies are standardised then this is not going to be the crux of the matter. My feeling is that it might be something to do with the antenna technology, or as Sai noted, the SIM card.
    06-16-15 10:48 AM
  25. Marijo_Varna's Avatar
    Does lowering your connection from LTE to 3G help?
    Not much, to be honest.
    06-16-15 10:52 AM
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