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  1. anon(679606)'s Avatar
    Windows 10 is free.

    They WILL datamine & monetize that just like Google. It will allow for access to that money pot for developers to fix the app gap...

    They will charge for updates after 1 year & windows 10.x will cost a bundle.

    Their many mandatory updates will contain ads using YOUR data allotment, will be bidirectional mining your usage, & risk malfunction. I have frequently had occasion to remove certain updates that broke certain things.

    Windows 7 is supported FREE to 2020 & windows 8.1 to 2023 !!

    I will NOT update to windows 10 unless these foibles are resolved...
    07-31-15 07:11 AM
  2. extisis's Avatar
    Windows 10 is free.

    They WILL datamine & monetize that just like Google. It will allow for access to that money pot for developers to fix the app gap...

    They will charge for updates after 1 year & windows 10.x will cost a bundle.

    Their many mandatory updates will contain ads using YOUR data allotment, will be bidirectional mining your usage, & risk malfunction. I have frequently had occasion to remove certain updates that broke certain things.

    Windows 7 is supported FREE to 2020 & windows 8.1 to 2023 !!

    I will NOT update to windows 10 unless these foibles are resolved...
    Attach link to these supposed foibles.

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    07-31-15 08:44 AM
  3. mpinco's Avatar
    Which most new users will do by default - answering yes. Which then by default "will be shared to all Facebook, Outlook, and Skype contacts (users cant pick individual contacts; the access is shared with all contacts on a social network)." See update / back and forth between Krebs and ZDNet

    Bottom line - Windows 10 further expands the "social" aspect. We all know their track record on security.

    And we haven't even touched on slurping of personal data

    From EDRi:

    We will access, disclose and preserve personal data, including your content (such as the content of your emails, other private communications or files in private folders), when we have a good faith belief that doing so is necessary to, for example, protect their customers or enforce the terms governing the use of the services.......
    07-31-15 09:10 AM
  4. anon(679606)'s Avatar
    Links for those claims on CNET...
    MS site differs, claims free support for 5 years from release date...
    I don't know what they would do if they push win10.x & change the FREE to PAID... they could do it & end user could not prevent that with unstoppable & unremovable updates...
    07-31-15 09:32 AM
  5. southlander's Avatar
    Windows 10 is free.

    They WILL datamine & monetize that just like Google. It will allow for access to that money pot for developers to fix the app gap...

    They will charge for updates after 1 year & windows 10.x will cost a bundle.

    Their many mandatory updates will contain ads using YOUR data allotment, will be bidirectional mining your usage, & risk malfunction. I have frequently had occasion to remove certain updates that broke certain things.

    Windows 7 is supported FREE to 2020 & windows 8.1 to 2023 !!

    I will NOT update to windows 10 unless these foibles are resolved...
    Anyone that chooses the free upgrade and upgrades an already genuine copy of Windows will not ever have to pay for updates for Windows 10. Now if you wait more than a year then of course you are charged. What's the point of making the free offer if there's not a urgency requirement.

    Of course they are going to try to get you to opt in and share data. Just like virtually everyone else is doing. So opt out.

    But the free upgrade offer is more about getting folks to move away from old versions of Windows.

    As for updates breaking things they've released a tool that allows you to hide specific non critical updates. Drivers etc. These are the source of many issues. So you can hide forever, seeing certain non critical updates. But consumers can not defer installing security patches. Same way you can't pick and choose security updates on ANY mobile phone OS. Makes sense to me.

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    07-31-15 09:54 AM
  6. Apple Aya's Avatar
    If BB can't get these double typing issues under control, I'm switching. I don't even care to what. The whole spiel about getting a phone with a keyboard was about accuracy and efficiency...well with double typing, all that accuracy and efficiency just flew the **** out the window.

    Speaking of windows...I'll look at all the OS's when it's time to switch, including Windows 10. I do like BB10 but the double typing is disgusting. It's like getting a Ferrari for the engine and horsepower, then it starts misfiring and giving you ****ty performance. That's just embarrassing.
    07-31-15 10:39 AM
  7. southlander's Avatar
    Which most new users will do by default - answering yes. Which then by default "will be shared to all Facebook, Outlook, and Skype contacts (users can’t pick individual contacts; the access is shared with all contacts on a social network)." See update / back and forth between Krebs and ZDNet
    I personally don't see most aspects of the WiFi Sense sharing as a big issue. But there is one thing Krebs points out that I certainly think is an issue. And that is the fact that others can share access to your network. So you tell your friend (or have told your friend) your password/phrase. When they first connect to your network, obviously their Windows device/PC treats it as their network, prompting them to share access.

    Reminds me of the whole Facebook issue years back where folks didn't really "get" that friends of friends could see their posts depending on the settings. They didn't realize the breadth of the scope of the sharing.
    07-31-15 12:08 PM
  8. southlander's Avatar
    Their many mandatory updates will contain ads using YOUR data allotment, will be bidirectional mining your usage, & risk malfunction. I have frequently had occasion to remove certain updates that broke certain things.
    I will also point out that everything is moving this way, to force critical updates and/or updates that add core functions.

    Why? As all this software gets more complex, the fragmentation becomes unmanageable from a bug/security standpoint. Add to that that most all the new features are to enable interconnected services and it becomes more and more critical to keep things patched and secure.
    07-31-15 12:21 PM
  9. jdesignz's Avatar
    Lol if you don't like windows 10 then don't install it. No need to bad mouth about it whatsoever. Easy peasy

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    07-31-15 12:45 PM
  10. mpinco's Avatar
    The question was Blackberry 10 >>>> OR <<<<< Windows 10

    Guess you missed the OR part. One of the strengths of BB is offering a secure platform. Microsoft / Apple / Google are making YOU their product while BB is innovating security to ensure your are not the product if you so choose.

    Seems like a pretty clear cut discussion for most.
    07-31-15 12:52 PM
  11. mpinco's Avatar
    Seriously people, nothing is "Free".

    Microsoft is moving to a new revenue model. Instead of you buying the software up front, they are giving it away with the knowledge that a majority of adopters will take the Express route during install and that your behavior / information uploaded to Microsoft can then be turned into revenue.

    It is the Apple / Google financial model. Review their patents.
    07-31-15 01:09 PM
  12. blackberryz00's Avatar
    Yup I'm moving to Windows phone it's good bye blackberry for me

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    07-31-15 03:08 PM
  13. blackberryz00's Avatar
    And Windows 10 on pc is the same as Windows phones windows 10 is a whole need to read before writing

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    07-31-15 03:09 PM
  14. TgeekB's Avatar
    Seriously people, nothing is "Free".

    Microsoft is moving to a new revenue model. Instead of you buying the software up front, they are giving it away with the knowledge that a majority of adopters will take the Express route during install and that your behavior / information uploaded to Microsoft can then be turned into revenue.

    It is the Apple / Google financial model. Review their patents.
    Anyone living in the modern world has their information, to some degree, out there. Using a Blackberry doesn't stop this.
    07-31-15 03:18 PM
  15. anon(679606)'s Avatar
    Nice, steal data, sell it... Bill & Steve must be proud...

    Seriously people, nothing is "Free".

    Microsoft is moving to a new revenue model. Instead of you buying the software up front, they are giving it away with the knowledge that a majority of adopters will take the Express route during install and that your behavior / information uploaded to Microsoft can then be turned into revenue.

    It is the Apple / Google financial model. Review their patents.
    07-31-15 04:22 PM
  16. gilbertgk's Avatar
    What's currently holding me off is that windows 10 is not released yet. But soon as it's released I will buy a new lumia and keep passport for emailing.

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    07-31-15 05:31 PM
  17. anon(8063781)'s Avatar
    Seriously people, nothing is "Free".

    Some linux distributions are free, both in terms of cost and licensing. So this is just plain wrong.
    07-31-15 06:31 PM
  18. ssbtech's Avatar
    If BB can't get these double typing issues under control, I'm switching. I don't even care to what. The whole spiel about getting a phone with a keyboard was about accuracy and efficiency...well with double typing, all that accuracy and efficiency just flew the **** out the window.
    I'm not familiar with the double-typing problem. If you're switching platforms to get away from double-typing, what physical keyboard device would you switch to? Are there any left now?

    What I do know is that I hate the keyboard on my Windows 8.1 tablet.
    07-31-15 06:49 PM
  19. gilbertgk's Avatar
    I remember the days when I was using imate phones with windows 3.1. Those days were the best.

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    07-31-15 06:56 PM
  20. SteveNoza's Avatar
    I'm not familiar with the double-typing problem. If you're switching platforms to get away from double-typing, what physical keyboard device would you switch to? Are there any left now?

    What I do know is that I hate the keyboard on my Windows 8.1 tablet.
    I came from a double typing Q10, and it's physical keyboard lost any advantage it had.
    07-31-15 08:21 PM
  21. ssbtech's Avatar
    I assume the double-typing is the phone registering two presses of a letter instead of one? That'd be annoying.

    I can't type all that fast on the physical keyboards, but I do find the virtual keyboard occasionally lags trying to keep up...
    07-31-15 09:01 PM
  22. southlander's Avatar
    The question was Blackberry 10 >>>> OR <<<<< Windows 10

    Guess you missed the OR part. One of the strengths of BB is offering a secure platform. Microsoft / Apple / Google are making YOU their product while BB is innovating security to ensure your are not the product if you so choose.

    Seems like a pretty clear cut discussion for most.
    Security and privacy are different things. You can be the "product" all the while using their OS securely.

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    08-01-15 03:03 AM
  23. adam robinson3's Avatar
    Windows 8 on a phone is great for elderly parents. Got one for my mum who is a complete technophobe. You can reduce the number of icons on screen and increase their size so that there are literally 3 boxes on the screen. ***** proof !!

    The 640xl is a really nice phone with fantastic battery life. A shortage of apps as ever let's it down, even if you are not app crazy they don't even have some common apps.

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    08-01-15 04:18 AM
  24. gilbertgk's Avatar
    Windows 8 on a phone is great for elderly parents. Got one for my mum who is a complete technophobe. You can reduce the number of icons on screen and increase their size so that there are literally 3 boxes on the screen. ***** proof !!

    The 640xl is a really nice phone with fantastic battery life. A shortage of apps as ever let's it down, even if you are not app crazy they don't even have some common apps.

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    That's another worry is the app section. I am going to write downs all app list that I care about and check if they are available. I wish to move to iOS but it's too damn expensive.

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    08-01-15 11:25 AM
  25. Ed YANG's Avatar
    For old folks usage... in WP8, you may have to install the "rapiddial" apps such that when they touch on the icon of phone on screen, a dial pad pops instantly in front of them... instead of them keep asking,"where's the dial pad???"
    My Mum just couldn't get use of pressing small dial pad icon at the bottom of the screen...
    (you know... how oriental women likes to keep their fingers nails long and pointy...)
    duh... i got her a SONY couple of weeks later.
    08-01-15 12:31 PM
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