BB10 devices quietly removed from blackberry.com
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- But how do you make things without positive earnings? How do you pay your employees? Your rent? Your hydro?
How do you pay back your investors and the banks when you have no positive earnings? Money is expensive to get, so if you offer no returns to your potential investors, why would they give you any to start your business?
Are you advocating some kind of state-run economy that doesn't value innovation? Hasn't worked too well for North Korea.
Capitalism sucks, but is by far the best system we have.
a ten percent return on an investment is quite acceptable.
a tenfold return is exorbitant and puts unnecessary pressure on the product.
Posted via CBX12-11-17 06:11 PMLike 0 -
If they think switching their focus to software business can bring the company back alive, that is OK with me. I have always believed it is a purely business decision, and based on the same reason, I am switching to iOS for the secondary device.
I still use BB 10 as my main device, but I guess the company doesn't care.
Posted via CB1012-11-17 06:14 PMLike 0 -
BlackBerry was always in the business of securing electronic business communications. They still are. They just don't make the particular instrument (phones) that you enjoyed buying.
Even if they had WANTED to keep making phones (and by most accounts they did, including John Chen), they couldn't have because, when a company runs out of money to pay suppliers and employees, it's no longer an option to conduct business.
Unless math works differently where you live, BlackBerry couldn't have survived as a going concern another year in hardware.
Posted with my trusty Z1012-11-17 06:16 PMLike 0 - I am not offended. No need to worry. This is simply exchange of opinion.
If they think switching their focus to software business can bring the company back alive, that is OK with me. I have always believed it is a purely business decision, and based on the same reason, I am switching to iOS for the secondary device.
I still use BB 10 as my main device, but I guess the company doesn't care.
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Posted with my trusty Z1012-11-17 06:20 PMLike 0 - "the public gets what they deserve, not what they demand. unless we all decide to be a business not a band."
Posted via CBXElephant_Canyon likes this.12-11-17 06:31 PMLike 1 - Of course, CBS bought Fender and proceeded to bleed the brand by mass producing in Mexico, Japan, Korea, and Indonesia. Slapping Fender logos on inferior products made with cheap woods and imitation electronics. Nah, that doesn't sound familiar at all eh? Ha ha. You nailed it!12-11-17 06:33 PMLike 0
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- Of course, CBS bought Fender and proceeded to bleed the brand by mass producing in Mexico, Japan, Korea, and Indonesia. Slapping Fender logos on inferior products made with cheap woods and imitation electronics. Nah, that doesn't sound familiar at all eh? Ha ha. You nailed it!12-11-17 08:34 PMLike 0
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You can go to any forum, for any device, and handpick issues.12-11-17 08:51 PMLike 0 - Of course, CBS bought Fender and proceeded to bleed the brand by mass producing in Mexico, Japan, Korea, and Indonesia. Slapping Fender logos on inferior products made with cheap woods and imitation electronics. Nah, that doesn't sound familiar at all eh? Ha ha. You nailed it!12-11-17 09:19 PMLike 0
- The analogy was a Fender guitar to BlackBerry. It's a valid comparison. CBS bought the company and sold cheap knock-offs at elevated prices to exploit the brand. Not that what is happening with BlackBerry licensing is quite as drastic, but the analogy holds nonetheless. Anyone who thinks TCL is not looking to monetize the BlackBerry name by pushing budget specs at a somewhat inflated price point is simply delusional. I'm not saying the quality is all that bad, don't get me wrong. But we can all tell and appreciate there is a difference between pre and post TCL BlackBerry devices.anon(9803228) likes this.12-11-17 09:24 PMLike 1
- And the market punished them for those decisions. Fender did lousy financially for a long time, until they finally started offering some higher-quality options for those willing to pay for them. Of course, they still offer the entry-level options for those wanting to pay an entry-level price, but there's nothing wrong with that either.12-11-17 09:28 PMLike 0
- BB10 was essentially a play to stop the bleeding in enterprise and regain lost ground against Apple and Samsung. BlackBerry's goal post enterprise focus for BB10 was to sell around 10 million units a year, I wouldn't consider that low volume for an OEM like BlackBerry.12-11-17 09:29 PMLike 0
- The analogy was a Fender guitar to BlackBerry. It's a valid comparison. CBS bought the company and sold cheap knock-offs at elevated prices to exploit the brand. Not that what is happening with BlackBerry licensing is quite as drastic, but the analogy holds nonetheless. Anyone who thinks TCL is not looking to monetize the BlackBerry name by pushing budget specs at a somewhat inflated price point is simply delusional. I'm not saying the quality is all that bad, don't get me wrong. But we can all tell and appreciate there is a difference between pre and post TCL BlackBerry devices.
As far as price, KEYᵒⁿᵉ launched at the same price as the Passport SE ($599), but is now $449. I don't see that as delusional.
The notion that TCL is looking to gouge current customers at the expense of long term profitability is absurd.12-11-17 09:30 PMLike 0 -
It's a completely different perspective when YOU are staring down an impossible situation and the buck stops with you.12-11-17 09:34 PMLike 0 - The DTEKs were cheaper devices made from standard reference parts, but not the Motion or KEYᵒⁿᵉ - completely different animals.
As far as price, KEYᵒⁿᵉ launched at the same price as the Passport SE ($599), but is now $449. I don't see that as delusional.
The notion that TCL is looking to gouge current customers at the expense of long term profitability is absurd.
Passport was premium hardware at the time. So was the PRIV. Those were BlackBerry through and through. The DTEKs as you point out are just re-branded Idols, and it's commonly accepted the TCL KEYone and the Motion are both overpriced relative to their specs.
You can candy coat it all you want, but let's face it...licensing generally tends to have a negative impact on quality, as the Fender guitar example correctly points out.12-11-17 09:41 PMLike 0 - Maybe you should read some of the interviews Leo has given about the pressures he faced at that time. The competition had gotten fierce, and he was having supply problems and cash-flow problems. People didn't want to pay more for his products at the time (and had lots of alternatives to choose from), but he'd have had to charge more to keep things going the way they'd been going.
It's a completely different perspective when YOU are staring down an impossible situation and the buck stops with you.12-11-17 09:48 PMLike 0 - it's commonly accepted the TCL KEYone and the Motion are both overpriced relative to their specs.
You can candy coat it all you want, but let's face it...licensing generally tends to have a negative impact on quality, as the Fender guitar example correctly points out.
KEYᵒⁿᵉ is in no way overpriced. People who say that, don't place value on what it offers, so even $200 would be overpriced.
I've owned almost every BlackBerry ever built, and many other devices too - including iPhone and Nexus. My 6 month old KEYᵒⁿᵉ is as well-built (or better) than anything I've ever used. Everything fits perfectly together without gaps, notches, or seams. Finish is consistent, and keyboard is simply the best to date.12-11-17 09:50 PMLike 0 - I absolutely disagree on both counts.
KEYᵒⁿᵉ is in no way overpriced. People who say that, don't place value on what it offers, so even $200 would be overpriced.
I've owned almost every BlackBerry ever built, and many other devices too - including iPhone and Nexus. My 6 month old KEYᵒⁿᵉ is as well-built (or better) than anything I've ever used.12-11-17 09:54 PMLike 0 -
Instead they were returning negative returns. Massively negative. That was the problem.12-11-17 09:57 PMLike 0 - The SoC is a design CHOICE. The KEYᵒⁿᵉ could have been given an 835 and another 1GB of memory and sold for the price of the Priv, but that adds very little value, and forces compromises in other areas - like battery life.12-11-17 10:01 PMLike 0
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