BB advertises the Passport more efficient than competition in using spreadsheets...
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Even though the vk will pop up (not the virtual row), by pressing on the corresponding key one would register the symbol input.
This would be the most logical transition from the current phkb on the Q series to the capacitive kb of the passport.
Damn... with each thread a new speculation is born page by page... we are doomed to a visceral back and forth of endless "cyber battles" on speculation... it kind of starts feeling a bit masochistic to keep it up :P
Posted via CB10MarsupilamiX likes this.07-09-14 01:41 PMLike 1 - My point exactly! Many of the people on here who don't like the Passport keyboard seem to think that their view is the only correct one, and that those of us who are either undecided, don't care either way, or (heaven forbid) even like the new design must be delusional fanbois or non-QWERTY users. It's what is known as the 'no true Scotsman' logical fallacy.
?Posted without the aid of AutoCorrect with my physical keyboard via CB1007-09-14 02:44 PMLike 0 - Actually a larger digitizer would mean:
a) higher costs (size of the digitizer, total size of device, and extra row of keys)
b) it would also also use more power. This could be partly offsetted by a larger battery which would go to point a) again... higher costs.
There must have been an engineering decision made with regards to this.
In an ideal world, we would have everything we want, however in reality there are compromises to be made.
I believe there must have been cases where they need to justify the costs vs. benefits of using a touch sensitive keyboard (besides another method to scroll and select items). One of those cases could be the ability to remove one row of keys.
?Posted without the aid of AutoCorrect with my physical keyboard via CB1007-09-14 02:51 PMLike 0 -
Then stop reading my posts. I'll miss you greatly. ;-)
And it's funny because at this very same time I'm being called a fanboy in another thread for saying good things about my Q10... smh
?Posted without the aid of AutoCorrect with my physical keyboard via CB1007-09-14 02:53 PMLike 0 -
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If you were going to buy your ideal physical keyboard device, how would you like to select symbols/numbers?
Here are the options:
1) You can use the physical keys or the vkb to select symbols/numbers. A vkb will pop up and cover much of the content on the screen every time you need a non-contextual number or symbol. When typing an email which contains lots of numbers or symbols, the vkb will be constantly popping up and down getting in the way, even though you may be using the physical keys.
2) The symbols/numbers are printed on the physical keys. There is no requirement to look at the screen to learn symbol/number position. No vkb is popping up and getting in the way. The vkb may still be used for extended/uncommon symbols.
I would really struggle to justify option 1 over option 2. Can you?
Posted via CB10slagman5 likes this.07-09-14 04:09 PMLike 1 - The difference in a few mm's will be a difference in mere cents... I'm sure their profit margin for selling each device more than covers that. And if that's the reason, are you happy that they are cutting corners to make more profit rather than packing the phone with as much goodies as needed to maximize your experience?
?Posted without the aid of AutoCorrect with my physical keyboard via CB10
You want an oversized Q10 with a bigger and higher resolution screen plus capacitive keyboard. They wanted to make something different. The Passport as currently designed, is something different. Whenever there is something different, there is a learning curve to get used to it. I just hope it wouldn't be too bad. Remember for MOST of the time, the device will still be a media consumption device. The high resolution screen will allow this to happen with a good experience. What the keyboard will add is better content creation experience over a pure touch device. Will it be perfect? Probably not, but it should be better than what is currently out there.07-09-14 04:18 PMLike 0 - No, you are wrong here. It is part of making a viable product. There is probably a price point selected where they deem will provide the maximum sales. Otherwise, all the BlackBerry phones will be like their Porsche designed one.
You want an oversized Q10 with a bigger and higher resolution screen plus capacitive keyboard. They wanted to make something different. The Passport as currently designed, is something different. Whenever there is something different, there is a learning curve to get used to it. I just hope it wouldn't be too bad. Remember for MOST of the time, the device will still be a media consumption device. The high resolution screen will allow this to happen with a good experience. What the keyboard will add is better content creation experience over a pure touch device. Will it be perfect? Probably not, but it should be better than what is currently out there.
And where you are probably wrong, is to assert that few more dollars would make a difference for the Passport.
It's such a special device, that a few dollars more or less shouldn't influence buyers that much.
Posted via CB1007-09-14 04:21 PMLike 0 - I'm surprised to see that people are still debating this.
If you were going to buy your ideal physical keyboard device, how would you like to select symbols/numbers?
Here are the options:
1) You can use the physical keys or the vkb to select symbols/numbers. A vkb will pop up and cover much of the content on the screen every time you need a non-contextual number or symbol. When typing an email which contains lots of numbers or symbols, the vkb will be constantly popping up and down getting in the way, even though you may be using the physical keys.
2) The symbols/numbers are printed on the physical keys. There is no requirement to look at the screen to learn symbol/number position. No vkb is popping up and getting in the way. The vkb may still be used for extended/uncommon symbols.
I would really struggle to justify option 1 over option 2. Can you?
Here's a Nordic version of the Q10 keyboard, just to show not all Q10's have the same printed keys:
http://forums.crackberry.com/attachm...ard-os-q10.jpg
Or perhaps BlackBerry is saving on costs and not producing a bunch of keyboard variations...07-09-14 04:56 PMLike 0 - The difference in a few mm's will be a difference in mere cents... I'm sure their profit margin for selling each device more than covers that. And if that's the reason, are you happy that they are cutting corners to make more profit rather than packing the phone with as much goodies as needed to maximize your experience?dejanh likes this.07-09-14 05:14 PMLike 1
- I got that it's not traditional.
Hard to miss.
The point is though, that it doesn't make sense.
Who buys a physical keyboard phone, to type on a touchscreen?
The concept makes no sense whatsoever.
And no, they keys of the keyboard don't change depending on the context.
It's just one virtual row that will do that. A virtual row that is completely unneeded.
I asked you a number of times already:
What do I gain, through giving up a physical 4th row?
Or let's forget about the row, just the alt/sym/shift keys?
What do I gain, apart from less screen estate?
Nobody was able to answer that question.
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Posted via CB1007-09-14 05:15 PMLike 0 - I'm surprised to see that people are still debating this.
If you were going to buy your ideal physical keyboard device, how would you like to select symbols/numbers?
Here are the options:
1) You can use the physical keys or the vkb to select symbols/numbers. A vkb will pop up and cover much of the content on the screen every time you need a non-contextual number or symbol. When typing an email which contains lots of numbers or symbols, the vkb will be constantly popping up and down getting in the way, even though you may be using the physical keys.
2) The symbols/numbers are printed on the physical keys. There is no requirement to look at the screen to learn symbol/number position. No vkb is popping up and getting in the way. The vkb may still be used for extended/uncommon symbols.
I would really struggle to justify option 1 over option 2. Can you?
Posted via CB1007-09-14 05:21 PMLike 0 -
The character I listed , ? ! “ ” are not mapped to physical keys (and dot only on second page) .
They only appear on the fourth virtual row.MarsupilamiX likes this.07-09-14 05:22 PMLike 1 -
Posted via CB10MarsupilamiX likes this.07-09-14 05:23 PMLike 1 -
That was something I didn't even consider.
Thanks, that makes sense
Posted via CB1007-09-14 05:58 PMLike 0 -
- I just want that someone explains me what's the advantage from a keyboard with 3 rows, no physical alt/sym/shift that is paired with a virtual keyboard, over a normal physical keyboard.
In 5 threads, 100s of pages and 1000s of comments, nobody was able to do that.
I just wonder, if there might be a reason for it (as in, there is no advantage).
Posted via CB1007-09-14 08:46 PMLike 0 - No, you are wrong here. It is part of making a viable product. There is probably a price point selected where they deem will provide the maximum sales. Otherwise, all the BlackBerry phones will be like their Porsche designed one.
You want an oversized Q10 with a bigger and higher resolution screen plus capacitive keyboard. They wanted to make something different. The Passport as currently designed, is something different. Whenever there is something different, there is a learning curve to get used to it. I just hope it wouldn't be too bad. Remember for MOST of the time, the device will still be a media consumption device. The high resolution screen will allow this to happen with a good experience. What the keyboard will add is better content creation experience over a pure touch device. Will it be perfect? Probably not, but it should be better than what is currently out there.07-10-14 12:18 AMLike 0 -
Don't know why that would be a deal anyway. I prefer hitting the 4th row directly over a pop up for "!?".07-10-14 12:57 AMLike 0 - I can't see anything other than letters on the physical keyboard in all the prototype images. I don't know if BB wanted a slightly shorter phone with a 3-row KB than a 4-row one but they should have added Alt, Shift and multiple keys per button e.g. numbers and punctuation. Having to use a VKB for numbers and punctuation totally defeats the purpose of having such a large square screen to begin with, not to mention being slower because of the user context switching. The upside is you only need QWERTY/AZERTY/QWERTZ variants instead of a bunch of language variants.
A Galaxy Note probably has more screen area for content with the VKB up compared to a Passport with both hard KB and VKB. A Nokia E61i - an ancient phone with the best keyboard in the business - looks a lot more efficient for typing than the Passport. If BB are pitching the Passport as something different for more productivity, I think they're missing out on the productivity part.nah.uhh likes this.07-10-14 01:01 AMLike 1 - I think the symbols can be toggled down to just one row with the most useful symbols. The one shown on the picture is actually kind of intrusive but hey we don't know how it really works anyway. I just want docs2go to become a priority with blackberry. I mean come on a business phone should an feature rich office app.
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