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  1. Drael646464's Avatar
    Download the android version of the firefox browser. Although apparently both sites are working for everyone else here ..

    Are you on 10.3.3?
    I second this. Although I recommend looking around for browsers because there are many options in android.

    The native browser

    a) does not display many web pages correct

    b) does not have a desktop version mode

    c) gives security warnings way, way, way too often.

    Its pretty quick, but it also doesn't have a decent bookmarking system. With web standards evolving, you pretty much can't count on the native browser any more.
    04-03-17 08:41 PM
  2. 1122334455667788's Avatar
    b) does not have a desktop version mode
    There are plenty of problems with the BlackBerry 10 Browser, but it does have a desktop mode.
    04-03-17 08:44 PM
  3. Drael646464's Avatar
    There are plenty of problems with the BlackBerry 10 Browser, but it does have a desktop mode.
    I just found it - buried in settings as a toggle under developer settings. Which makes it useless.
    04-04-17 01:16 AM
  4. thurask's Avatar
    c) gives security warnings way, way, way too often.
    That's as much the rest of the Internet being bad at SSL as the browser itself.

    I just found it - buried in settings as a toggle under developer settings. Which makes it useless.
    Oh the humanity.
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    04-04-17 01:20 AM
  5. Drael646464's Avatar
    Oh the humanity.
    The only use for the desktop mode on a phone is to quickly switch to it, because a given website isn't loading like you want it to (options aren't visible etc). To be any use for this purpose, it needs to be easily accessible.

    That's as much the rest of the Internet being bad at SSL as the browser itself.
    And yet somehow every other browser in existence copes fine without these issues.
    04-04-17 01:24 AM
  6. thurask's Avatar
    The only use for the desktop mode on a phone is to quickly switch to it, because a given website isn't loading like you want it to (options aren't visible etc). To be any use for this purpose, it needs to be easily accessible.
    It's a crutch for bad browsers and worse web designers, although designing a layout that works with some niche browser is probably on the bottom of the priorities list for site admins.
    04-04-17 01:25 AM
  7. Drael646464's Avatar
    It's a crutch for bad browsers and worse web designers, although designing a layout that works with some niche browser is probably on the bottom of the priorities list for site admins.
    Not really. In some cases, people may just prefer the desktop layout.

    Ideally everything scales to everything, but in practice that doesn't always work.

    Scalability, whether apps or websites, is a realm of compromises.

    While, say, a web store can be made to scale from any size to any size perfectly by good web design, and a blog - doesn't get simpler than that, there are plenty of things that are just too busy or complex to scale well.

    So they cut things out for the mobile version. The screen size imposes limitations.
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    04-04-17 01:41 AM
  8. Drael646464's Avatar
    As an extreme example, imagine scalling something like adobe photoshop, or fruityloops to a mobile screen.
    04-04-17 01:43 AM
  9. Richard Buckley's Avatar



    And yet somehow every other browser in existence copes fine without these issues.
    For mobile browsers largely by ignoring security issues in favour of convenience. If that is a trade you are willing to make you are spoiled by choice.

    There are a number of checks a browser should do before loading a secure site. The most basic is to compare the site host name with the hosts name in the signature. If that fails there is a problem. In this case it is the people who set up the website don't know what they are doing. Both the BB10 browser and the latest version of Firefox for Windows agree on this. If your browser is willing to accept a miss matched certificate you really don't have any security when visiting an HTTPS site.

    LeapSTR100-2/10.3.3.2205
    04-04-17 04:04 AM
  10. 85_305's Avatar
    Aneurysms are free. Paid apps sometimes avoid them.
    Lol I laughed

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    04-04-17 10:37 AM
  11. 85_305's Avatar
    Dude I stopped using bb10 when even browsie wasn't cutting it. It's truly time to move on. Get a blackdroid or something else and stop getting frustrated. I like bb10 a lot and I wish it were still going great but it's not.
    Unfortunately you are 100% correct. This is exactly what it comes down to. I'm debating grabbing a dtek60 or waiting several more mos and grabbing a keyone.

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    04-04-17 10:40 AM
  12. 85_305's Avatar
    There are plenty of problems with the BlackBerry 10 Browser, but it does have a desktop mode.
    Yes it does work, and using it actually bypasses some of the issues that I'm having here. It's just frustrating as hell when I have things to get done and my damn phone gets in the way

    Posted via CB10 Passport
    04-04-17 10:44 AM
  13. medic22003's Avatar
    Unfortunately you are 100% correct. This is exactly what it comes down to. I'm debating grabbing a dtek60 or waiting several more mos and grabbing a keyone.

    Posted via CB10 Passport
    Since you are used to the passport you might take a look at the priv. I personally like the pkb on it and the phone does everything I need it to. I've not had an issue with heating until lately with one game that I don't stay on very long lol. It's pretty graphics intensive even for a city builder type game. I only mention that for the pkb that you are obviously Used to that the dtek doesn't have
    04-04-17 12:00 PM
  14. ppeters914's Avatar
    .....or wait for the KEYone. I hear it will be available "soon."

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    04-04-17 03:24 PM
  15. EFats's Avatar
    Dude I stopped using bb10 when even browsie wasn't cutting it. It's truly time to move on. Get a blackdroid or something else and stop getting frustrated. I like bb10 a lot and I wish it were still going great but it's not.
    Bad web sites are the problem, not the browser. I got an iPhone here, standards compliance on that browser is same or even marginally under the one on BB10. Neither use Flash either.

    For the OP, geeze, read the error message. Do you really want to be hitting a site where the certificate & domain name are not matching? Might be an "honest" error here, but next time it might be deliberately leading you somewhere else to snag your data.

    That's like saying "Hey my car isn't letting me drive when it detected no oil and an overheated engine! How come my my 1970 Cadillac will still let me start up & drive off under this condition?"

    To be fair, BB should have put a big button that says "Hey, this is a really bad idea, but if you want to proceed, click this button"



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    04-04-17 03:35 PM
  16. Drael646464's Avatar
    For mobile browsers largely by ignoring security issues in favour of convenience. If that is a trade you are willing to make you are spoiled by choice.

    There are a number of checks a browser should do before loading a secure site. The most basic is to compare the site host name with the hosts name in the signature. If that fails there is a problem. In this case it is the people who set up the website don't know what they are doing. Both the BB10 browser and the latest version of Firefox for Windows agree on this. If your browser is willing to accept a miss matched certificate you really don't have any security when visiting an HTTPS site.

    LeapSTR100-2/10.3.3.2205
    There's a lot of common website "security" issues, that aren't really issues, that can arise from things like having only a segment of your site SSL, etc. Not all of them are a real concern, and as you say, such mistakes are common (and not always easy to fix).

    I think the issue here with bb10 browser is it tends toward the paranoic, rather than the realistic.
    04-05-17 12:57 AM
  17. Richard Buckley's Avatar
    There's a lot of common website "security" issues, that aren't really issues, that can arise from things like having only a segment of your site SSL, etc. Not all of them are a real concern, and as you say, such mistakes are common (and not always easy to fix).

    I think the issue here with bb10 browser is it tends toward the paranoic, rather than the realistic.
    Actually they are easy to fix, and even easier to not make in the first place.

    If you aren't going to have your whole site TLS you should not publish HSTS values.

    Every other browser I've tried so far raised the same warning as the BB10 browser. That includes Safari on iOS.

    So, while I actually do prefer to use a browser that exhibits paranoia in protecting me, in the specific case raised in the OP this appears to be industry standard practice.

    LeapSTR100-2/10.3.3.2205
    04-05-17 04:38 AM
  18. Drael646464's Avatar
    Actually they are easy to fix, and even easier to not make in the first place.

    If you aren't going to have your whole site TLS you should not publish HSTS values.

    Every other browser I've tried so far raised the same warning as the BB10 browser. That includes Safari on iOS.

    So, while I actually do prefer to use a browser that exhibits paranoia in protecting me, in the specific case raised in the OP this appears to be industry standard practice.

    LeapSTR100-2/10.3.3.2205
    Well perhaps they (all the problems) are "easy" to fix you know php, html, java, css well. But actually a good number of websites are not coded for, or written by the people who own them. They use things like wordpress, shopify, webhost website builders, magento and a whole host of things to make the website, or are created by third parties for rather intense hourly rates (or slapped together by your nephew)

    Even building sites by these means, can take weeks or months to do.

    I wouldn't describe that as "easy to fix", myself, as it requires specialist knowledge, or large wads of cash. Web builders cost more than SEO services, its often one of the most expensive services one can buy, outside of assassination and prostitution.

    And if the system your using creates the problem, then you may need to wipe your whole website and start from scratch, migrating all the various content to another platform.

    This is the reason why this is common, it's not the majority of websites that get skilled graphical designers, coders to design and maintain their website, network people to maintain dedicated servers and their security and so on.

    Most of it is third party, often package based.

    Guess "easy" is a matter of perspective. Its easy for a skateboarder to "Ollie". I would find it pretty hard. And for most people, that's about where web design sits. Not a skill they have access to, nor something that is default with the territory of owning a website.

    In the case from the OP, yes that's pretty standard practice browser wise (unlike bb10 browsers usual paranoia), and its a pretty darn broken thing to do.

    As likely small business they have never done any professional grade web design for their sites. They should probably migrate to another third party service or package, or spend a dime or two, given that warning will be lowering hit rate, and raising bounce rate.

    But then they probably lack the technical nouse to even realise that its hurting their business, or perhaps even know that its happening.
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    04-05-17 05:30 AM
  19. Richard Buckley's Avatar
    Well perhaps they (all the problems) are "easy" to fix you know php, html, java, css well. But actually a good number of websites are not coded for, or written by the people who own them. They use things like wordpress, shopify, webhost website builders, magento and a whole host of things to make the website, or are created by third parties for rather intense hourly rates (or slapped together by your nephew)

    Even building sites by these means, can take weeks or months to do.

    I wouldn't describe that as "easy to fix", myself, as it requires specialist knowledge, or large wads of cash. Web builders cost more than SEO services, its often one of the most expensive services one can buy, outside of assassination and prostitution.

    And if the system your using creates the problem, then you may need to wipe your whole website and start from scratch, migrating all the various content to another platform.

    This is the reason why this is common, it's not the majority of websites that get skilled graphical designers, coders to design and maintain their website, network people to maintain dedicated servers and their security and so on.

    Most of it is third party, often package based.

    Guess "easy" is a matter of perspective. Its easy for a skateboarder to "Ollie". I would find it pretty hard. And for most people, that's about where web design sits. Not a skill they have access to, nor something that is default with the territory of owning a website.

    In the case from the OP, yes that's pretty standard practice browser wise (unlike bb10 browsers usual paranoia), and its a pretty darn broken thing to do.

    As likely small business they have never done any professional grade web design for their sites. They should probably migrate to another third party service or package, or spend a dime or two, given that warning will be lowering hit rate, and raising bounce rate.

    But then they probably lack the technical nouse to even realise that its hurting their business, or perhaps even know that its happening.
    So, I was specifically addressing the OP's problem. And just to be clear what the BB10 browser is doing, the behaviour that the OP is seeing is exactly what the browser should do. It also turns out to be what othe browsers do, even the Safari browser on my iPad. those websites would take me a couple of minutes to fix the problem with the certificate use. I've fixed sites like that before.

    The rest of your post is just an apology for people who have gotten over their heads. A great many things are easy once you have learned how to do them and practised sufficiently. Some things are difficult even so. Programming websites is almost entirely the former. I doubt you would be so forgiving if I set your broken leg so badly that you had trouble walking afterwards. Or wired your house so badly it burnt down. Would you accept that medical school, or getting qualified as an electrician were too expensive or too difficult for me to complete but I wanted to work in those fields nonetheless? Are you really suggesting that because programming websites correctly is so difficult unless you learn first that browsers should be written to correct novice errors on the fly?

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    04-05-17 03:49 PM
  20. Drael646464's Avatar
    The rest of your post is just an apology for people who have gotten over their heads. A great many things are easy once you have learned how to do them and practised sufficiently. Some things are difficult even so. Programming websites is almost entirely the former. I doubt you would be so forgiving if I set your broken leg so badly that you had trouble walking afterwards. Or wired your house so badly it burnt down. Would you accept that medical school, or getting qualified as an electrician were too expensive or too difficult for me to complete but I wanted to work in those fields nonetheless? Are you really suggesting that because programming websites correctly is so difficult unless you learn first that browsers should be written to correct novice errors on the fly?

    LeapSTR100-2/10.3.3.2205
    My point was really nothing like what you say. My main point was that you claimed fixing all these problems was easy. I showed how that's not generally the case. Its a specific skill, and its expensive to pay for if you don't have the skill.

    The reality of the actual world, as it is, rather than the world as some may wish it to be, is that most websites are not specifically coded by professionals. Usually they are pre-packaged, and piecemeal, automated. That's a commercial reality as much as anything. Small start-ups can simply not afford a custom design.

    Whether you accept the world as it is, or not, well that's a constant struggle for all of us on some level.

    At the end of the day, most of the errors are not harmful, and shouldn't be treated as such. Some potentially could be, or that sort of problem could be used for phishing or social engineering, and browsers should treat those things as such. Across the spectrum, sort of distinct phenomena.
    04-06-17 04:03 AM
  21. johnsliderbb's Avatar
    I've got Cobalt installed on mine and then just choose a browser of your choice, firefox, dolphin, Opera!
    Or even without Cobalt.

    Naked Browser and JumpGo just work fine. The latter having ad-blocking included that works on BB10 as well.

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    06-05-17 05:26 PM
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